TC Bulletin and Policy Change 10/18/09

[jat5560]

Originally Posted by Kayliaah

Sorry, your opinion doesn't count.

That's the whole community's opinion.

[Kayliaah]

Originally Posted by jat5560

That's the whole community's opinion.

If you read others' posts you would know that it isn't.

[Ekowraith]

Out of curiosity, do you know what zero means?

[Oovdoo]

Just looking at this from a simple ground level, Surely there are better people within the community that have skills in the way of hacking that aren't complete and utter jerks. they did not hack the game to "test" or to speed up getting jedi... They hacked into the game to grief the hell out of the community to get there sick pleasure of annoying normal testers.

This isn't about developing the game... its about the communities support for the development of the game, And hiring people that TARGETED the community to grief to then work for SWGEmu? its madness... There are other emulator teams out there the community can move to one that doesn’t hire people who hate the community...


Keep it simple... Ban the people who hate the community... and the community will thank you for it.

[Uli]

Good luck, I'm pretty sure no one has the ability to hack.

To exploit, yeah anyone can do that however most of the time its either luck or so much effort goes into it you finally find a way.

Originally Posted by sXeKJB

asking for people to hack/exploit to get the ability to be apart of this team may not be a wise decision, does this include sending DoS attacks?

I'm pretty sure sending DoS attacks, SQL injections etc are not what you really want to do (Well SQL injection i suppose you could but those normally fail unless the people run the server/website/whatever are idiots)

[MarlonB]

Originally Posted by Uli

Good luck, I'm pretty sure no one has the ability to hack.

I don't understand your statement?


I was able to give myself unlimited experimentation points using memory hacking for example ... but ... i did report this to Kyle (long time ago), and eventhough he never repsonded to it, he put in an extra check on server side to prevent this from happening.

I also found some queries that didn't have escape strings .. again .. i reported those and they got fixed.

I'm sure given enough time ... more hacks can be found, eventhough so far they have done a really good job at keeping important stuff server side.

[Uli]

Originally Posted by MarlonB

I was able to give myself unlimited experimentation points using memory hacking for example

Its more how advanced it goes, working out points and all that is honestly very easy and simple to do, there are a lot of other "hacks" which do not require memory editing and some memory editing are not stored as something as easy to lock onto (Experimentation points you just search the number add another search for new number however not everything works like that)

[MarlonB]

Originally Posted by Uli

Its more how advanced it goes, working out points and all that is honestly very easy and simple to do, there are a lot of other "hacks" which do not require memory editing and some memory editing are not stored as something as easy to lock onto (Experimentation points you just search the number add another search for new number however not everything works like that)

Oi ... i got your point ...

However ... in the end most pieces of functionality boil down to numbers in memory and a cmp/jmp we are after ... the hard and creative part is understanding the game and coming up with methods to drill down to these needles in the memory haystack.


In the past i've done more challenging stuff then experimentation points ... think changing models in memory ... bypassing crc checks or editing packets in memory ( not sniffing/editing packets but change them directly in game memory). None of these in EMU though ... searching for the easy stuff first .... plus I know lot's can't be hacked as i have access to the server code ( gotto love open source).


There are indeed several other hacks that do not require memory changes, but those just ain't in my area of interest ... in the end i only do this because it interests me.


I'll wait untill this storm passes and then see how policies are before loading Olly again

[sXeKJB]

Another question I'd like to bring up is why even publicly announce the "return" of these certain players? Could they not have started from scratch and spent every minute of game trying to exploit? That way nobody in the community would have known about them. It's almost as if they asked for their jedai/griefguild back, and people would have said something seeing ashur/storm on nova.

[Mahonra]

Originally Posted by sXeKJB

Another question I'd like to bring up is why even publicly announce the "return" of these certain players? Could they not have started from scratch and spent every minute of game trying to exploit? That way nobody in the community would have known about them. It's almost as if they asked for their jedai/griefguild back, and people would have said something seeing ashur/storm on nova.

EXCELLENT point!

[Benoki]

lots of people seem to keep missing the whole IT'S A TEST SERVER thing.

yeah its nice to play again, totally agree, loving it myself.

so it doesn't really matter to me if people get caught hacking.

its the ones who don't get caught that bother me.

and if a guy does get caught, tells us what he did and helps us fix it, then thats good for us all on that hallowed day that a full server goes live.

right?

why the fuss people?

[Wolverine79]

Originally Posted by Benoki

lots of people seem to keep missing the whole IT'S A TEST SERVER thing.

yeah its nice to play again, totally agree, loving it myself.

so it doesn't really matter to me if people get caught hacking.

its the ones who don't get caught that bother me.

and if a guy does get caught, tells us what he did and helps us fix it, then thats good for us all on that hallowed day that a full server goes live.

right?

why the fuss people?

If they doing it here they will be doing it on live. These people have been caught and allowed to cont. to do so now. They are friends with devs and gives them a get out ban free card. Enough said!

[Timbab]

Originally Posted by sXeKJB

Another question I'd like to bring up is why even publicly announce the "return" of these certain players? Could they not have started from scratch and spent every minute of game trying to exploit? That way nobody in the community would have known about them. It's almost as if they asked for their jedai/griefguild back, and people would have said something seeing ashur/storm on nova.

So keeping stuff, things such as big as this 'private' is good? What you don't know can't hurt you attitude, eh?

Besides, it would have come out sooner or later that they're back under staff now, imagine the community response then...

[sXeKJB]

Originally Posted by Timbab

So keeping stuff, things such as big as this 'private' is good? What you don't know can't hurt you attitude, eh?

Besides, it would have come out sooner or later that they're back under staff now, imagine the community response then...

No that's beside the point. I don't agree with them being allowed back in after being banned, according to others, more than 1 time (especially when 3 days ago a zero-tolerance policy was implemented). My question is why put them back in the same way they went out, same player, same guild, same opportunity to repeat that which was already not trustworthy. It just doesn't seem like a "team" to me at all, it seems like they are given everything back and just slapped a title that says "exploitation team"

[Kayliaah]

Originally Posted by sXeKJB

Another question I'd like to bring up is why even publicly announce the "return" of these certain players? Could they not have started from scratch and spent every minute of game trying to exploit? That way nobody in the community would have known about them. It's almost as if they asked for their jedai/griefguild back, and people would have said something seeing ashur/storm on nova.

Well... I don't think lying would make things any better.
Hiding things can be considered as lying.