TC:NOVA Wipe Poll Results

[safak]

Originally Posted by galena

Please stop throwing words like statistically impossible out, especially since you a) appear to have little to no grasp of statistics and b) have not shown the "statistics" that show it is impossible.

<3 people who have no clue about a subject. hey if you make a post that is condescending, then it makes you sound right? sorry doesn't work all the time.

it IS a statistic impossiblity in a poll, for even a 50% choice get 20 votes in a row(in 20 seconds no less).

now when we are talking an option that previously was at 10% getting every single one of them, its not even a question. sorry. sound even meaner next post and you might trick us.

[safak]

Originally Posted by galena

Please stop throwing words like statistically impossible out, especially since you a) appear to have little to no grasp of statistics and b) have not shown the "statistics" that show it is impossible.

sorry galena i didn't have time to properly answer you at first. let me shed some light on you since you obviously have no clue about statistics and odds, but are pretty quick to say someone else doesn't.



the option that got the last 20 votes in a row was the 3rd one, 'no but ill keep playing' which put it at 15%.

15% odds, or 3/20 as we will use here in this explanation that you asked for.

so to get 2 in a row, you take 3/20 times 3/20. = 9/400. which is a little over 2% chance to get 2 votes in a row for a 15% option.

in this case there were 20 votes all put on it in a row.
to get 20 in a row, you take 3/20 times itself 20 times. i don't need to go that far and most calculators give it as impossible number anyway.
lets do 5 in a row
243/3200000= .0000759

so to get just 5 in a row for a 15% odd , there is less than 1/100th of one percent chance.
do you really still believe that 20 in a row is not a statistical impossibility? nothing fishy went on eh?

[waa]

Originally Posted by safak

i KNEW the 66.6 was going to come into play.
want to see something interesting?

20 seconds before close
http://img689.imageshack.us/i/pollam...foreclose.png/

database error, 20 sec later back up pool closed
http://img191.imageshack.us/i/pollafterclose.png/


just enough votes, all thrown in 3rd option to get it under 66.6 (Which is a statistical imposiblitly btw)

but doesnt 44.23 + 22.72 = 66.95 which > 66.6

Now were seeing why it went POOF huh?

[quadkidd02]

Now pay close attention to the numbers of the poll results...

No, and I won't play if you wipe till OR - Before:162/After:161 = -1
No, but I'll still play with the Blue Frogs - Before:207/After:206 = -1
No, but I'll still play regardless - Before:290/After:310 = +20
Yes - Before:453/After:452 = -1
Yes, but with Blue Frogs(See limitations) - Before:882/After:884 = +2

Hmm...the only way you can "lose" votes in vBulletin (for those who don't know, that's the bulletin board/forum software SWGEmu uses. check the copyright line at the bottom of the page) is for an admin to "modify" the poll.

I know this for a complete and un-biased fact. I have before and continue to run my own web server which hosts vBulletin, PhpBB, and other forum software.

The poll was tampered with, I know this for a fact. You can't change your vote on your own. That is beyond the user's "privileges."

"So if you don't know, now you know."

Originally Posted by safak

i KNEW the 66.6 was going to come into play.
want to see something interesting?

20 seconds before close
http://img689.imageshack.us/i/pollam...foreclose.png/

database error, 20 sec later back up pool closed
http://img191.imageshack.us/i/pollafterclose.png/


just enough votes, all thrown in 3rd option to get it under 66.6 (Which is a statistical imposiblitly btw)

[Lamune]

Originally Posted by quadkidd02

The poll was tampered with, I know this for a fact. You can't change your vote on your own. That is beyond the user's "privileges."

Kay.... so... hypothetically... if one *was* going to tamper with the results in "No's" favor with the sudden flood of votes... why the hell would they stage the final outcome to results that they'd still lose with?

Y'know another thing that can lose votes? Database errors. Kind of like the one right as the poll was closed.

(My Tinfoil Hats are still for sale, btw. I'm tellin' ya.. 90% resists to the brainwaves! 10-million! Special price to the next 10 posters only!)

[kookaburra]

Originally Posted by quadkidd02

Now pay close attention to the numbers of the poll results...

No, and I won't play if you wipe till OR - Before:162/After:161 = -1
No, but I'll still play with the Blue Frogs - Before:207/After:206 = -1
No, but I'll still play regardless - Before:290/After:310 = +20
Yes - Before:453/After:452 = -1
Yes, but with Blue Frogs(See limitations) - Before:882/After:884 = +2

In light of this new information, I believe my time and donations would be better used elsewhere.

[Joshino]

Originally Posted by quadkidd02

Now pay close attention to the numbers of the poll results...

No, and I won't play if you wipe till OR - Before:162/After:161 = -1
No, but I'll still play with the Blue Frogs - Before:207/After:206 = -1
No, but I'll still play regardless - Before:290/After:310 = +20
Yes - Before:453/After:452 = -1
Yes, but with Blue Frogs(See limitations) - Before:882/After:884 = +2

Hmm...the only way you can "lose" votes in vBulletin (for those who don't know, that's the bulletin board/forum software SWGEmu uses. check the copyright line at the bottom of the page) is for an admin to "modify" the poll.

I know this for a complete and un-biased fact. I have before and continue to run my own web server which hosts vBulletin, PhpBB, and other forum software.

The poll was tampered with, I know this for a fact. You can't change your vote on your own. That is beyond the user's "privileges."

"So if you don't know, now you know."

dayum.

[t-nutz]

Originally Posted by safak

i KNEW the 66.6 was going to come into play.
want to see something interesting?

20 seconds before close


database error, 20 sec later back up pool closed


just enough votes, all thrown in 3rd option to get it under 66.6 (Which is a statistical imposiblitly btw)

The first SS, shows 1994 people voted, this was before the closing of the poll. The second SS shows that 2013 people voted right before it was closed. If you notice the first option goes from 162 in the first SS, and down to 161 in the second SS. How does one drop a count from the poll?

I am not understanding that.

P.S.- Sorry, I had to remove the http links as I don't have 5 posts and cannot post them......

[Lamune]

Originally Posted by Bulbous

And did you not read how a 66.6% majority was needed for a wipe? This was a righteous decision.

The original text was 66%. Not 66.6%. "Over 66%."
That was something a poster invented mid-thread and people decided to run with it as the new gospel...

Either way, whatever... but do we really need to continue making **** up?

[waa]

Originally Posted by Bulbous

And did you not read how a 66.6% majority was needed for a wipe? This was a righteous decision.

GOOD JOB DEVS! Forget this nonsense, and roll on with the OR. Then will we wipe this sandbox and get on with the real work!!!

ya I read that, and also saw the NO's get over 55 votes in the last ...count em 2 minutes before the thread was locked............ then deleted......then this

How convenient was that?

what was the end result?

[Shofu]

Originally Posted by Vlada

I wanted to add poll results to this but it looks like that thread was ninja deleted.

EDIT:

Lucky for us, someone was smart enough to take a screen shot...

Originally Posted by Bulbous

And did you not read how a 66.6% majority was needed for a wipe? This was a righteous decision.

GOOD JOB DEVS! Forget this nonsense, and roll on with the OR. Then will we wipe this sandbox and get on with the real work!!!

mmmh itz more than 66.6% ..but ... who cares ....
stop QQ ... have fun sitting arround ... or check out other profs ..while waiting for the OR ..

[keloch]

So the 66% that voted yes will not get there will through? This sounds like something SOE would do,..

Ban me for this if you must, but im outraged...

[Ursus]

ok, I can get back to grinding. I feel sad at how the community acted in the polls thread tho, it was like kindergartenx10.

[morris.man]

66%+ means nothing?

[S4ad0w]

I'm sad right now. But as before I'll stick with you guys and gals. /cheer OR