Rubber Banding / Speed Hacking - A Special (Unplanned) DevChat - 10/14/09 2am EST

[Labyrinth]

Originally Posted by Yhor

The trolls would have you believe that a majority of the community wanted to keep rubberbanding in and cried to have it. That is a complete bold faced lie to make drama and divide this community. The people who were vocal about this subject, as this subject came about, overwhelmingly wanted rubberbanding removed and wanted a fair punishment for exploiting for personal gain (instead of reporting the nature of exploit for a fix).

To see this community continue to argue in circles, being trolled by liars who only wish to stir up drama is bull****, and needs to stop. If you want to believe them, that is your choice, and your failure.

Thread is closed, but here is the link to get a more accurate look at how the community reacted then.

http://www.swgemu.com/forums/showthread.php?t=33121

There is no real fix for speedhacking script-kiddies that won't piss off and 'punish' the entire community, not until the "fix" (rubberbanding speedhack code) is optimized. Good luck with that, because it seems some people, staff included, are enjoying all the drama entirely too much.

And I thought that community reaction was completely ridiculously out of hand. It was a sensationalistic bandwagon that kept rolling because of a complete flood of rumors about the speedhackers in question and a perfect scapegoat for a community that was rather tightly wound, despite being told ad infinitum that this is an Alpha stage Test Center.

And I don't care how many posted in that thread, it was still a minority of the community in comparison to its size, meaning that it's a cycle of bull****.

We done yet? This is a great way to procrastinate you know.

[Colt-556]

If majority of the active forum users said no, and they're the minority of the community at large. Then what about the minority of forum users who said yes? To judge a community of this size you need to base it off of those actively posting. If majority of the active forum users say "get this ****ty code off my server", then take it off, fix it, THEN put it back up.

[Labyrinth]

Originally Posted by Colt-556

If majority of the active forum users said no, and they're the minority of the community at large. Then what about the minority of forum users who said yes? To judge a community of this size you need to base it off of those actively posting. If majority of the active forum users say "get this ****ty code off my server", then take it off, fix it, THEN put it back up.

Right, so to hell with the people who don't bother to speak up, correct? I mean, clearly their opinion isn't important if they don't bother to voice it.

If you have 15 people in a group and 3 say "do x," then clearly the people in charge should do what the 3 say, right? That seems to be what you're saying.

[Vlada]

Originally Posted by Labyrinth

Right, so to hell with the people who don't bother to speak up, correct? I mean, clearly their opinion isn't important if they don't bother to voice it.

If you have 15 people in a group and 3 say "do x," then clearly the people in charge should do what the 3 say, right? That seems to be what you're saying.

That's what got us here in the first place.

We have 1k to 1.5k active players/testers on TC atm, only 50 of them maybe 70 wanted actions to be taken against speed-hackers, 90% don't have a clue waht is happening and why. But no one asked them and yet they are still rubber-banding, all 1,5k of them, all day, every day.

[Yhor]

Originally Posted by Vlada

That's what got us here in the first place.

We have 1k to 1.5k active players/testers on TC atm, only 50 of them maybe 70 wanted actions to be taken against speed-hackers, 90% don't have a clue waht is happening and why. But no one asked them and yet they are still rubber-banding, all 1,5k of them, all day, every day.

How did you manage to come up with those numbers? An uneducated guess?

[Bostwain]

Originally Posted by Yhor

How did you manage to come up with those numbers? An uneducated guess?

Aedan's poll.

[Yhor]

Originally Posted by Bostwain

Aedan's poll.

The poll showed significantly more wanted harsher punishments, more than a 1/3 more than he stated from his 'high' number.

Nit picking, I know. But the fact remains it was then, as it still is, influenced by biased people trying to spin it for their personal experience, and drama factor.

[Vlada]

Originally Posted by Yhor

How did you manage to come up with those numbers? An uneducated guess?

Our great community leader started with the insults, what are you gonna do if i respond the same way. Make a crybaby thread about how hurt you are, how you are leaving for good and runaway like last time, blaming it all no the divided community?

[Kayliaah]

Originally Posted by Vlada

what are you gonna do if i respond the same way. Make a crybaby thread about how hurt you are, how you are leaving for good and runaway like last time, blaming it all no the divided community?

Muhaha Irony.

[Yhor]

Originally Posted by Vlada

Our great community leader started with the insults, what are you gonna do if i respond the same way. Make a crybaby thread about how hurt you are, how you are leaving for good and runaway like last time, blaming it all no the divided community?

Where are these insults from our great community leader? I was under the impression Ekaika(sp?) was the community leader, where are the insults? Only insults I've seen are from trolls; if I insulted you by insulting trolls then I guess the truth hurts, but I never specifically called you a troll.

I vacated before due to the excessive trolling allowed on these boards, sure. Crybaby thread? Where? I explained I had no intention of supporting a community where blatant text 'attacks' on people, even brand new members, were allowed. Will I take another break from this, this go around? Hell no. You, and your buddies with the same mentality, aren't worth me giving up on this community. I feel sorry for you, and the staff that allow you to incite drama and belittle people (Staff participation has receded, but still exists as well).

[Labyrinth]

Originally Posted by Yhor

Do I agree, yeah, I do. 'He who remains nameless' was a scapegoat of sorts. I agreed (still agree) with the policy, but I do think the 'community' went to far with the mob mentality. It was stated there were other reasons for his ban besides just the speed script, but I can't say those with "proof" were able to prove it without question, even with that video. I "felt" it might be true, but feelings are just opinion... not worthy of an execution. He'll be back in a couple months, so it's not as bad as some make it out to be.

And yes, several hundred votes does not equal the whole of the community, but it's not without any validation.

I just know that this arguing over lies and trolling needs to stop. It does nothing for the community except divide it further.

We can start by not arguing about whether we should be arguing or not.

Originally Posted by Vlada

That's what got us here in the first place.

We have 1k to 1.5k active players/testers on TC atm, only 50 of them maybe 70 wanted actions to be taken against speed-hackers, 90% don't have a clue waht is happening and why. But no one asked them and yet they are still rubber-banding, all 1,5k of them, all day, every day.

Are you saying it's sad they have to deal with it, without even knowing why or...? To be perfectly honest, I'm not sure.

If so, all I can say is that most people I run into either take the problem into stride and don't say much of anything or have some fun insulting the fact that the problem is there. In short, don't much care.

If not....**** me, I've been online too long.

[Vlada]

Originally Posted by Labyrinth

Are you saying it's sad they have to deal with it, without even knowing why or...? To be perfectly honest, I'm not sure.

If so, all I can say is that most people I run into either take the problem into stride and don't say much of anything or have some fun insulting the fact that the problem is there. In short, don't much care.

If not....**** me, I've been online too long.

They simply never come to forum, or do it once in a blue moon, so even though they may have an opinion on the situation it cant be heard because no one there is listening to them, if they want to be heard they have to come on this forum or IRC, but they never do.

[Bostwain]

Originally Posted by Vlada

They simply never come to forum, or do it once in a blue moon, so even though they may have an opinion on the situation it cant be heard because no une there is listening to them, if they want to be heard they have to come on this forum or IRC, but they never do.

See my post :P

[Colt-556]

Originally Posted by Labyrinth

Right, so to hell with the people who don't bother to speak up, correct? I mean, clearly their opinion isn't important if they don't bother to voice it.

If you have 15 people in a group and 3 say "do x," then clearly the people in charge should do what the 3 say, right? That seems to be what you're saying.

Yeah, they should. Why? Because the others didn't speak up and thus their wishes are unknown. How can the devs cator to those who wont even speak up? So yes, they should be ignored. If they want to be heard they can post like everyone else. And majority of those willing to speak up have clearly said "get this off my server until it's fixed".

[Labyrinth]

Originally Posted by Colt-556

Yeah, they should. Why? Because the others didn't speak up and thus their wishes are unknown. How can the devs cator to those who wont even speak up? So yes, they should be ignored. If they want to be heard they can post like everyone else. And majority of those willing to speak up have clearly said "get this off my server until it's fixed".

Okay. Cause the majority willing to speak said that right.

Way to endear yourself to the people who don't shout about everything. I'm sure you'd be an astounding community leader.