TC:NOVA Wipe Poll Results

[Lamune]

Originally Posted by quadkidd02

The poll was tampered with, I know this for a fact. You can't change your vote on your own. That is beyond the user's "privileges."

Kay.... so... hypothetically... if one *was* going to tamper with the results in "No's" favor with the sudden flood of votes... why the hell would they stage the final outcome to results that they'd still lose with?

Y'know another thing that can lose votes? Database errors. Kind of like the one right as the poll was closed.

(My Tinfoil Hats are still for sale, btw. I'm tellin' ya.. 90% resists to the brainwaves! 10-million! Special price to the next 10 posters only!)

[Lazerbrick]

Originally Posted by Lamune

Kay.... so... hypothetically... if one *was* going to tamper with the results in "No's" favor with the sudden flood of votes... why the hell would they stage the final outcome to results that they'd still lose with?

I think this sums up the staff....

[quadkidd02]

Originally Posted by Lamune

Kay.... so... hypothetically... if one *was* going to tamper with the results in "No's" favor with the sudden flood of votes... why the hell would they stage the final outcome to results that they'd still lose with?

Y'know another thing that can lose votes? Database errors. Kind of like the one right as the poll was closed.

(My Tinfoil Hats are still for sale, btw. I'm tellin' ya.. 90% resists to the brainwaves! 10-million! Special price to the next 10 posters only!)

I believe the term "ninja delete" was used not too long ago, props and +1 to whom did. I believe that is partially why it was ninja'd.

[Ekowraith]

Originally Posted by Lamune

Kay.... so... hypothetically... if one *was* going to tamper with the results in "No's" favor with the sudden flood of votes... why the hell would they stage the final outcome to results that they'd still lose with?

The staff changed the poll just enough to give the true majority 65% of the pre-rounding whole-number vote percentages, rather than 66% of the vote.

[quadkidd02]

Originally Posted by Ekowraith

The staff changed the poll just enough to give the true majority 65% of the pre-rounding whole-number vote percentages, rather than 66% of the vote.

66.95% before poll "closed," 66.36% after poll "closed."

It was > 66% before and after the poll "closed."

[Ekowraith]

Originally Posted by quadkidd02

66.95% before poll "closed," 66.36% after poll "closed."

It was > 66% before and after the poll "closed."

Yeah, I understand that. I was only talking about the whole numbers before rounding (an error to which the SWGEmu layman is potentially prone) and offering a potential motive for what was obviously meddling.

[Jengu-fet]

Originally Posted by safak

and thats just what i caught at the tail end. the numbers were going in ways that really isn't possible most of the day which is why i started watching it at the end. it would get 200 votes and remain steady, then 30 and the percentage would change dramaticaly..so bulks of votes at a time were obviously used more than once.

Originally Posted by Lamune

(Amusingly, did anyone else notice all the people voting 'no' insisting it was unfair to end the poll suddenly and how it had to run the full time, but were completely ready to close the thing as a "victory" the second the results dropped below 66%- thus closing off any additional votes? )

There is a possibility that one of the devs/mods tampered with the votes and another member of the team found out. This would explain the fluctuating % during the day and staying around 66%. It would also explain why the poll was closed + deleted (or moved to private forum) so suddenly when they previously said it would be up for 1-2 weeks.

Also this,

Originally Posted by Spun

Kyle still hasn't denied urging people in IRC to create accounts and vote NO, lol. I guess it's true.

[jksdustin]

So let me get this straight, you market yourselves by saying you'll listen to the community, yet you go with the minority?

This leads to 6 questions

1. What are you going to do to the dupers/account sellers/buyers? (buyers should get the same treatment as sellers for being dumb enough to buy an account for a game in testing stages)

2. Will you now stop worrying about semi-irrelivent things like the jedi system (an actual one can always be set up in OR, ours was fine the way it was, and don't get me wrong, nothing against jedi, i was making one and still voted for yes) and begin to focus on some actual fixes?

3. Are you planning on doing anything for the people who deleted their characters already to help you with the wipe? (I myself am not one, but I believe I saw some posts from people talking about already doing it because "someone" had told them about the wipe before hand, and considering the fact the majority was for wipe there could be a decent number.)

4. If inflation is apparently so bad that you had to wipe and now its going to remain the same for a while, how do you expect to deal with it until OR? (First because now it will continue, second because now so many more people know its possible to dupe credits and items it will most likely happen alot more)

5. Are you guys gonna pull this again anytime before OR over the same stupid stuff, or will the next one come with an actual fix? (I know you probably can't answer this, but still what the hell man?)

6. How many people created accounts since the poll was started? Because its my opinion that anyone who was not playing prior to the wipe announcement should not have been able to vote.


This whole thing pisses me off.

[Lamune]

Originally Posted by jksdustin

3. Are you planning on doing anything for the people who deleted their characters already to help you with the wipe? (I myself am not one, but I believe I saw some posts from people talking about already doing it because "someone" had told them about the wipe before hand, and considering the fact the majority was for wipe there could be a decent number.)

LOL! Like the crushing weight of an extra line in the database was lifted by their deleting their character early...

They are ****tards who don't deserve help or sympathy, or more likely liars who are hoping to repeat an old exploit from just about every MMO made where the GMs would do restorations- by getting the mods to restore an old database image of items they don't own... just borrowed from a friend long enough to show up in the records. Or they're just ****tards. But I repeat myself.

This same stunt was pulled claiming "mah account was hax'd and someone stole all my monies" a number of times, too...

[Duchess]

Originally Posted by Lamune

This same stunt was pulled claiming "mah account was hax'd and someone stole all my monies" a number of times, too...

It's scary to see what lengths people will go to to get 'virtual' items. People who cling to things that not only don't really exist but are meant for entertainment purposes ONLY maybe should take a break from gaming and see the world in all of it's detailed glory .
As many have pointed out, greed is what screws up the economy, sadly, like IRL.
People who care more about how many credits they can cram their bank with instead of caring about friendships need to realize that that's exactly what ruined the real world. The thought that there are people who would try anything (even without cheating) to sell overpriced goods is biting themselves in the bum. Monopolies are a terrible thing and we should probably stay away from the Capitalistic model of 'do whatever you can to make more money than everyone else even if it means stepping on everyone else' won't fly in a game that relies heavily on socialization and friendship to even exist.
Wipe or no wipe, I would really hope that the Devs would try their best to control the ego maniacs on this server before pulling the plug. I just hope they don't decide to throw the server out the window.
Unfortunately it is illegal to 'pay' for an emulated server, so even if I were to pay 1000 dollars a month to keep this thing going I know I wouldn't have any legal say in what happens to the server.
That's just how it is I guess.

[tonkatuff]

Originally Posted by jksdustin

So let me get this straight, you market yourselves by saying you'll listen to the community, yet you go with the minority?

This leads to 6 questions

1. What are you going to do to the dupers/account sellers/buyers? (buyers should get the same treatment as sellers for being dumb enough to buy an account for a game in testing stages)

From what I heard, they have plans in place to lower the duped credits.

2. Will you now stop worrying about semi-irrelivent things like the jedi system (an actual one can always be set up in OR, ours was fine the way it was, and don't get me wrong, nothing against jedi, i was making one and still voted for yes) and begin to focus on some actual fixes?

While its cool to have a jedi (i mean come on, everyone and there mother has one), it hurts the game, just like it did in the original. The system being proposed for SC will fix this. So I agree , they shouldnt waste time worrying about it.

3. Are you planning on doing anything for the people who deleted their characters already to help you with the wipe? (I myself am not one, but I believe I saw some posts from people talking about already doing it because "someone" had told them about the wipe before hand, and considering the fact the majority was for wipe there could be a decent number.)

There was NEVER an official word saying there was or wasnt a wipe. If you deleted your character or someone else did, they are dumb asses. Its not the dev's fault.

4. If inflation is apparently so bad that you had to wipe and now its going to remain the same for a while, how do you expect to deal with it until OR? (First because now it will continue, second because now so many more people know its possible to dupe credits and items it will most likely happen alot more)

The inflation is only one part of this. The biggest part is all the overpowered **** people are picking up off of sentinels. Everyone Ive seen goes rifles and bugs the sentinels out and exploits to get the loot. These weapons have WRECKED any fun in the game. And I have a perspective from both sides. I have really crazy weapons and ive used them and had them used on me. Its ignorant, foolish, and simply not fun.

5. Are you guys gonna pull this again anytime before OR over the same stupid stuff, or will the next one come with an actual fix? (I know you probably can't answer this, but still what the hell man?)

I would be no. Dont be suprised though if there are some changes here and there. I know I wouldnt be. Maybe a credit wipe of a certain % few people or something like that.

6. How many people created accounts since the poll was started? Because its my opinion that anyone who was not playing prior to the wipe announcement should not have been able to vote.

Who really cares?


This whole thing pisses me off.

You don't have to stay here. No one is making you.


Look, the bottom line is simple. You do NOT pay for this game in a test state. You wont be required to pay at anytime ever. If you donate, thats YOUR choice and by no means does it give you the right to voice your opinion. I know a developer personally and he does this for free. It takes up all his time from work to sleep. These developers are doing this for me, and you, and everyone else that loved the original game. If they choose to wipe it to make it more fun for people or they chose not to, thats there choice. In no way do they have to do anything for you or me. You ****ers should be greatful that they are doing what they are doing at all.

[Kraschman]

Originally Posted by tonkatuff

Look, the bottom line is simple. You do NOT pay for this game in a test state. You wont be required to pay at anytime ever. If you donate, thats YOUR choice and by no means does it give you the right to voice your opinion. I know a developer personally and he does this for free. It takes up all his time from work to sleep. These developers are doing this for me, and you, and everyone else that loved the original game. If they choose to wipe it to make it more fun for people or they chose not to, thats there choice. In no way do they have to do anything for you or me. You ****ers should be greatful that they are doing what they are doing at all.

/applaud;

(And for the record, I voted yes with frogs)

Didn't get the wipe I voted for, but I'm not complaining. The devs are not doing this for money, they're doing it for love of the game we all want back. Before anyone starts lobbing insults at them, one MIGHT remember that without them we have no game to play save SOE's POS NGE.

[Deus In Machina]

Originally Posted by tonkatuff

Look, the bottom line is simple. You do NOT pay for this game in a test state. You wont be required to pay at anytime ever. If you donate, thats YOUR choice and by no means does it give you the right to voice your opinion. I know a developer personally and he does this for free. It takes up all his time from work to sleep. These developers are doing this for me, and you, and everyone else that loved the original game. If they choose to wipe it to make it more fun for people or they chose not to, thats there choice. In no way do they have to do anything for you or me. You ****ers should be greatful that they are doing what they are doing at all.

This, exactly. People should learn respect and grow in maturity. Most of them act like if they were on the official SOE forums, with customers rights and all. Remember, you are ALLOWED to play there on Nova, for free. We shouldn't even have the right to express our own opinion on big decisions such as a Wipe, this isn't our concern, nor our decision. Let the devs plan the development and server management the way they want to, it's their toy, not ours. Unhappy? whine whine where are my shinies booooh? Move along.. seriously.

[safak]

Originally Posted by Ekowraith

The staff changed the poll just enough to give the true majority 65% of the pre-rounding whole-number vote percentages, rather than 66% of the vote.

and thats just what i caught at the tail end. the numbers were going in ways that really isn't possible most of the day which is why i started watching it at the end. it would get 200 votes and remain steady, then 30 and the percentage would change dramaticaly..so bulks of votes at a time were obviously used more than once.

[Lamune]

Originally Posted by Ekowraith

The staff changed the poll just enough to give the true majority 65% of the vote, rather than 66% of the vote.

You mean 66% of the vote, instead of 67%. The results never fell below the 'threshhold' everyone was pushing for, even after the alleged and still otherwise completely pointless 'tampering.'

(Amusingly, did anyone else notice all the people voting 'no' insisting it was unfair to end the poll suddenly and how it had to run the full time, but were completely ready to close the thing as a "victory" the second the results dropped below 66%- thus closing off any additional votes? )

Originally Posted by Lazerbrick

I think this sums up the staff....

Innocent victims of a conspiracy theory thought up by those who are confused by numbers?