TC:NOVA Wipe Poll Results

[Rebelexterminator]

SOE is for profit..this is not. NFP is very different from profit. SOE was bent to the desires of Lucas..here not so much. You have a right to cry paying 15 a month x 4 accounts. Here..not so much.;)

Whats your f'ing point wise guy? None of that BS means they are making the right choice.

[Arien]

SOE is for profit..this is not. NFP is very different from profit. SOE was bent to the desires of Lucas..here not so much. You have a right to cry paying 15 a month x 4 accounts. Here..not so much.;)

This has nothing to do with profit. It has to do with the level of professionalism we're seeing.

I have every right to voice my opinion and i'll continue to do so as long as this is an open forum.

[cru jodo]

With more than one hundred pages of active discussion on this issue between the two threads makes it abundantly clear that community involvement was high and that an overwhelming majority of the votes came from distinct individuals. You not only have the burden of proving these accusations of fraudulence, but you also have to explain why vote padding might have occurred unequally.

The "yes" vote was at 75% when a sudden flood of almost constant no votes for hours began.

The sudden no vote happened in a time span of hours when an irregular number of new accounts where created.

The people who have the most to lose, dupers, have the most to gain if the "no" vote wins.

Dupers already by their very nature are in the habit of using methods against the rules to achieve something they want.

As some testers pointed out the fact that there happened to be an extremely high statistical trend in no votes and an unusually high number of new accounts, Moderator Staff ,Insultingly, declared that that was a physical impossibility.

Then fueling an army of trolls, the staff member led the forums to publicly mock those that cited basic evidence to a relevant problem.

Not long after, other staff members deleted posts made by those citing such evidence. However, the off-topic posts, mocking those that had only wished to maintain the votes credibility remained on the thread.

Hours later the thread is locked, and later the decision made to negate the poll, based on community solidarity and credibility.

Now as i said before, as raging as I am at everything thats happening, the only thing i blame staff for is simply not being honest with the community, and not letting us know sooner that the problems that let to consideration of a wipe were not addressed.

Pretending a problem doesn't exist simply because You cannot fix it does more damage. And sometimes the most responsible thing anyone can do is ask for help.

There are a large number of qualified persons on the TC who enjoy this project so much that they would have volunteered to work for the staff to police these problems. All staff had to do was ask.

And even as angry or kneejerk as the community seems at this point, I bet if you asked, You would get the help from people with the time and knowhow to act while allowing the current team to worry about the OR.

[waa]

For those of you that think the final outcome was 66% majority to wipe are seriously confused. The Devs were GOING to leave the poll open for 2 weeks, so the vote was NEVER final. It could have went either way.
They saw the polls were getting out of hand, and were being manipulated by people from both sides of the argument. As well as tearing the community apart.


eh?

till it got deleted I saw postings by staff along the lines that it wasn't being manipulated either way, and wrote it off as conspiracy theorist jargon


On a side note, there is a reason that thread got deleted...go figure as to why.

John Smedley would be proud !

[Shadow2k]

I think the Devs should shut TC down for a month. I think too many people are taking this project for granted at this time. Teach them a valuable lesson, let their cries fall on deaf ears for a month while you guys take a break. Seriously. I want to play as much as anyone, but this is just ridiculous.

You guys cried for a wipe due to the economy of a Test Center. The economy of a Test Center! Wow, that's brilliant.

I really don't care if they wipe it or not. At this point I hope they do just to shut you all up. But I hope they shut it down for a month first, just to prove a point. That it is not your right to determine what goes on with their project.

They asked for your feedback, you acted like little brats. Much like is happening now. No wonder they don't want to listen to you, who could blame them?

[alexiskool12345]

What a surprise. majority says wipe so it's 100% fraud for just the side in favor of the wipe, despite the obviousness of people making new accounts saying not to wipe.

I won't be surprised when these same tards start *****ing about wanting to transfer their characters over to the real deal when the time comes.

[Kraschman]

With more than one hundred pages of active discussion on this issue between the two threads makes it abundantly clear that community involvement was high and that an overwhelming majority of the votes came from distinct individuals. You not only have the burden of proving these accusations of fraudulence, but you also have to explain why vote padding might have occurred unequally.

The first part is not in dispute, but you have no proof as to how many votes came from distinct individuals. You can assume they are, but that doesn't necessarily make it so.

[Hazel Kyria]

I pretty much see every point I was thinking having been made here. But I just recently came from a game where the single dev seemed to be in his own world, ignoring suggestions and adding stuff no one wanted.

I know the forums might not be accurate, but I personally believe that without all this alt-forum account stuff that the majority of people would've voted for a reset...

This is a test server right?

[Cayden Maverick]

It seems some people failed to realize when they downloaded and joined the test server that it was never intended to stay up for any real length of time, and that what they do on the server could all be erased in a wipe that the developers need to make in order to further the production of this server.

By not wiping, they're forcing to prolong the final development of Suncrusher and releasing the source for other private servers to duplicate Suncrusher and make their own galaxy.

Those of you that are whining and crying about a wipe need to realize that this server isn't about you, but about the whole of the project. What you do on it is your business, but its secondary when it comes to the desires and needs of this development team.

I personally don't understand why they polled the wipe, and didn't just post an item saying "At this time, we are wiping the server." An apology isn't even necessary since anyone who joined the server should have read that Nova is a test server and wipes WILL happen. God forbid any of you encounter events where things don't go according to your plan, and inconvenience you.

[Shadow2k]

By not wiping, they're forcing to prolong the final development of Suncrusher and releasing the source for other private servers to duplicate Suncrusher and make their own galaxy.

You have that backwards. If they needed to wipe the server to further the project, they'd do so without asking. This was all about people crying about the economy, nothing more. It actually would have taken a couple days to do the wipe. Not a big deal in the grand scheme of things, but still exactly opposite of what you are claiming.

[Jahruh]

late april fools?

[Arnold47525]

1st off all i have not read all of the post's ill get back to you on that, but WTF R U GUYS PLAYING @ , I how nasty is that stunt you guys just pulled off.

another time when 600 voices are louder than 2000.

To whom do you talk to and why in such disrespectable manner?
You clearly stated that you don't read all of the posts, so why don't just read, think and then talk instead doing reverse?
Acting like that might hurts your reputation, which may doesn't bother you. But it also can hurt the reputation of the team which logo bears your sig, which should bother you.
Someone could argue there are more of your kind over there.

[Alamar01]

This has nothing to do with profit. It has to do with the level of professionalism we're seeing.

I have every right to voice my opinion and i'll continue to do so as long as this is an open forum.

Please code your own SWG emu from scratch and chill out with the whole "not professional" talk.

[Ruledo]

OK, who was stuffing the ballot boxes? lol

[cRush]

Did you guys ever stop to think that we were being honest, but we are human, and weren't capable of having perfect foresight thus realized our mistakes after our proposal?

[auron508]

Please code your own SWG emu from scratch and chill out with the whole "not professional" talk.
This is my thought as well. If you don't like things here, go make your own Pre-CU server. If not, shut up and play the FREE product you're getting

[Alamar01]

I think the Devs should shut TC down for a month. I think too many people are taking this project for granted at this time. Teach them a valuable lesson, let their cries fall on deaf ears for a month while you guys take a break. Seriously. I want to play as much as anyone, but this is just ridiculous.

You guys cried for a wipe due to the economy of a Test Center. The economy of a Test Center! Wow, that's brilliant.

I really don't care if they wipe it or not. At this point I hope they do just to shut you all up. But I hope they shut it down for a month first, just to prove a point. That it is not your right to determine what goes on with their project.

They asked for your feedback, you acted like little brats. Much like is happening now. No wonder they don't want to listen to you, who could blame them?

Holy Pete! This makes sense! Shadow I salute you. Like I' and many others have harped on many times in the past, too many people are treating this TC as a full release game that somehow they are entitled to...

[shilo]

Did you guys ever stop to think that we were being honest, but we are human, and weren't capable of having perfect foresight thus realized our mistakes after our proposal?

Ill give you this man. Unlike SOE you guys actually apologize!! good on you!

[Alamar01]

Did you guys ever stop to think that we were being honest, but we are human, and weren't capable of having perfect foresight thus realized our mistakes after our proposal?

Some did and clearly some did not. I thank the staff for even offering up a poll in the first place when they fully have the right to wipe the server every hour if they wish.

[Kraschman]

Did you guys ever stop to think that we were being honest, but we are human, and weren't capable of having perfect foresight thus realized our mistakes after our proposal?

That was actually my first thought.

I naturally assume that when you guys tell us stuff, it's actually the truth. It's easier to assume that than to assume conspiracies everywhere.

/salute;

[Arnold47525]

The credit dupers and loljedi threw an Anakin fit and the second poll ended with many people creating multiple accounts to skew the poll before it was closed apprently cheered on by an actual developer using system messages ingame last night.


Thats just an assertion without substance. Any proof on this like logs etc. that ONLY No-Votes were cheated would help you there, but this way it's just poor flaming. Seems to me some of the "Community" members didn't get what he insisted for and tries to have his revenge.

[Alamar01]

Yeah, thanks for appologizing cRush. That's very admirable especially since, in my opinion, an appology from the dev team is completely not needed. An apopology from some of the player community...now that's another thing.

[Luffyoo]

Well.. it seems as though my post congratulating you on not being like SOE and actually listening to your player base was based on a lie.
I guess you listen closer to your 'focus testing group' and hope this will make the game more 'star warsy'. Thanks again Julio Torres.

[Tothix]

Hmm what happened?

[freakinbox]

Okay first of all.. I read a bunch of the posts through this thread and am ashamed at a large majority of people I have to share the game space with. Taking to the Devs like they own you something, not to mention how everyone seems to have turned EMO all of a sudden...

First of all not all people who voted no to the wipe are credit dupers or pure evil. I am broke in game and voted no. Personally a couple of tiny changes wasn't worth losing the month or so I've been running around doing stuff. The justification of it's a TC didn't cut it either since hey what are we really going to be testing? As said on there it wasn't for any kind of testing purposes other that possibly finding other ways people would cheat.

Second of all.. Wonder if maybe the poll threads hadn't turned into such a joke would it have turned out better? People not voting more than once, or posting pictures of blue frogs every 2 seconds making them larger each time. Or how about just in general fighting with each other over the dumbest things. I gave up reading them because most of the stuff I had to go through was garbage to get to things that were even relevant to the poll.

Lastly.. Stop being little babies, nobody owes you anything, stop whining AND GROW A PAIR! Thanks. If you can't go pay to play NGE or something... Personally for myself the only downside is I had no reason to play until this was decided sine whatever I worked for could possibly be for nothing. But if you were smart you took things you needed to do and got them done (such as a reformat).

[thecapn2004]

Hmm what happened?

First the earth cooled...then the dinosaurs came...but they got too big and fat and died and turned to oil. Then the arabs came and they all bought mercedes benzes.

- from the movie Airplane ;)

[mrpinkpants]

Did you guys ever stop to think that we were being honest, but we are human, and weren't capable of having perfect foresight thus realized our mistakes after our proposal?

Dev 1(whomever it was that did the first poll): Damn bro....that was alot of crap going on in the poll thread. Did i f it up?
Dev 2(again, whomever): Nah dude, you just weren't specific enough. You see a poll should spell it all out, set some realistically achievable goals by either side and let the people know how we will do it.
Dev 1 : Gotcha!
-----Later that day------
Dev 2: Wow bud! poll looks amazing! spelled it all out, put all the good stuff that people need to know....and LOOK! you put up realistic goals for both sides of the argument! No WAY there's gonna be controversy!
Dev 1 :Thanks bro...i'm pro!
-----Later that day-----
Dev 3 : WTF were you 2 idiots thinking! now there's more controversy than ever!
Dev 4 : Think they'll be pissed if we just scrap the poll and say some cool ****?
Dev 1 : nah
Dev 2 : Nope...people here are clear thinkers.
Dev 3 : hmm....not so sure it'll go over as well as you think. But try it anyway.
Dev 1 : Noone will be pissed, they love us.


Crush.....not sure if it went that way, but i would like to think so because it made me laugh a bit and killed some of my boredome.

in all seriousness tho...WTF were you guys thinking?

[Worlack]

You guys need someone with some experience in running online communities to get involved. Since you've rocked the boat with that little wipe tease, than prematurely pulled out, are you going to do anything else to attempt to stabilize the economy and re-introduce item balance? I mean, with things the far outside of the box going on, at a minimum you are missing out on a lot of testing feedback because some parts of the game do not get touched because they are virtually gated by imbalance.

How about:

Delete all of the accounts that obviously duped credits, and have toons with 999,999,999 credits
Review any logs associated with those toons, and delete paths of massive credit transfer
Remove any and all looted weapons that are outside of the possibility of the standard loot table
Delete all weapons that are obviously mutli-sliced, due to their damage range being outside of the possibility of the loot table
Delete the accounts of people who openly state they are violating the TOS in spatial, tells, and IRC by talking about: Selling items/credits, Exploiting, Sharing accounts, Duping.


I can't believe that you actually went though with posting that poll, included the phrase "We won't pander to the QQ'ers, they ruined SWG in the first place" and yet you go and do exactly that. Seriously. I go back to my initial statement, you guys need to make an attempt to find someone who has experience running an online community. And you need to get them involved, before you implode your own corner of the internet by jerking people around like this.

Amen.

Seriously, you guys can develop a game, you are bringing us (a version of) Pre-CU/NGE SWG, you do it for free (arguably) and I'm thankful and admire your skill in that department. But holy **** you guys have a wicked case of foot-in-mouth disease. What is this, the third controversy in recent memory? And I wasn't even around before it went open source, I don't even want to think what it must have been like back then.

[Sabbathicus]

Did you guys ever stop to think that we were being honest, but we are human, and weren't capable of having perfect foresight thus realized our mistakes after our proposal?


I want to take the time to brown nose here. In case my QQing has become too obscene, I want to say thank you thank you thank you for a TC I can play on. I appreciate something real and tangible that I can play and enjoy. And most of all I appreciate the fact that it takes hours/days/weeks/months/years of real people's lives/time to give this to me. :D

[Baigs]

Did you guys ever stop to think that we were being honest, but we are human, and weren't capable of having perfect foresight thus realized our mistakes after our proposal?

/salute

[kookaburra]

Did you guys ever stop to think that we were being honest, but we are human, and weren't capable of having perfect foresight thus realized our mistakes after our proposal?

yes.

Until evidence was brought forward showing how the poll votes were manipulated by a moderator.

Obviously you HONESTLY thought that the poll results would go the other way.


Speaking for myself, the trust is gone.

[cRush]

yes.

Until evidence was brought forward showing how the poll votes were manipulated by a moderator.

Obviously you HONESTLY thought that the poll results would go the other way.


Speaking for myself, the trust is gone.

Sounds like conspiracy theory to me. Show everyone this evidence if you are going to claim such things

[Shadow2k]

in all seriousness tho...WTF were you guys thinking?

They were thinking people would be a bit more mature about the whole situation. Obviously they know better now.

[Futureshock]

No matter what the devs did, someone would be crying about it. No matter what ANYONE does, someone will cry about it. Did we come here to play SWG or cry? Shut the **** up and go play. If you don't want to play, then shut the **** up and go do something else.

[kookaburra]

Sounds like conspiracy theory to me. Show everyone this evidence if you are going to claim such things

Its been shown already but here:
http://img191.imageshack.us/i/pollafterclose.png/
http://img689.imageshack.us/i/pollam...foreclose.png/

The only user(s) capable of casting a negative vote is a moderator.
There was never any intention of doing a wipe.
This poll was done for one reason.... To put at rest the complaints many have made about exploits and dupes.
You would create this poll and say "Look at us! We LISTEN to our community!". But that wasn't to be.


The poll would have never existed if the SWGEmu staff had any idea that so many would be in favor of a wipe.

[Stevo]

Sounds like conspiracy theory to me. Show everyone this evidence if you are going to claim such thingshttp://mrhartansscienceclass.files.wordpress.com/2008/12/csi-gil-grissom.jpg

[thecapn2004]

Sounds like conspiracy theory to me. Show everyone this evidence if you are going to claim such things

the claim and evidence was posted earlier in this thread...whether it is factual or not I do not know as I am not a vbulletin admin/dev.

[belgerath]

The "yes" vote was at 75% when a sudden flood of almost constant no votes for hours began.

The sudden no vote happened in a time span of hours when an irregular number of new accounts where created.

The people who have the most to lose, dupers, have the most to gain if the "no" vote wins.

Dupers already by their very nature are in the habit of using methods against the rules to achieve something they want.

As some testers pointed out the fact that there happened to be an extremely high statistical trend in no votes and an unusually high number of new accounts, Moderator Staff ,Insultingly, declared that that was a physical impossibility.

Then fueling an army of trolls, the staff member led the forums to publicly mock those that cited basic evidence to a relevant problem.

Not long after, other staff members deleted posts made by those citing such evidence. However, the off-topic posts, mocking those that had only wished to maintain the votes credibility remained on the thread.

Hours later the thread is locked, and later the decision made to negate the poll, based on community solidarity and credibility.

Now as i said before, as raging as I am at everything thats happening, the only thing i blame staff for is simply not being honest with the community, and not letting us know sooner that the problems that let to consideration of a wipe were not addressed.

Pretending a problem doesn't exist simply because You cannot fix it does more damage. And sometimes the most responsible thing anyone can do is ask for help.

There are a large number of qualified persons on the TC who enjoy this project so much that they would have volunteered to work for the staff to police these problems. All staff had to do was ask.

And even as angry or kneejerk as the community seems at this point, I bet if you asked, You would get the help from people with the time and knowhow to act while allowing the current team to worry about the OR.


Best post of this thread.

[Whiskey37]

Look, the opportunity cost to me is no ****ing blue frogs, which would have increased my enjoyability with this game. My christmas gift was promised and then denied because the givers became sensitive to their purchasing power. Shows a complete lack of complex thinking on their part just narrow-minded selfishness.

[Sabbathicus]

I have no idea what those two images are supposed to portray. What is that evidence of? That someone can take an SS? I'm completely missing something, obviously.

[lmleet20]

You guys need someone with some experience in running online communities to get involved. Since you've rocked the boat with that little wipe tease, than prematurely pulled out, are you going to do anything else to attempt to stabilize the economy and re-introduce item balance? I mean, with things the far outside of the box going on, at a minimum you are missing out on a lot of testing feedback because some parts of the game do not get touched because they are virtually gated by imbalance.

How about:

Delete all of the accounts that obviously duped credits, and have toons with 999,999,999 credits
Review any logs associated with those toons, and delete paths of massive credit transfer
Remove any and all looted weapons that are outside of the possibility of the standard loot table
Delete all weapons that are obviously mutli-sliced, due to their damage range being outside of the possibility of the loot table
Delete the accounts of people who openly state they are violating the TOS in spatial, tells, and IRC by talking about: Selling items/credits, Exploiting, Sharing accounts, Duping.


I can't believe that you actually went though with posting that poll, included the phrase "We won't pander to the QQ'ers, they ruined SWG in the first place" and yet you go and do exactly that. Seriously. I go back to my initial statement, you guys need to make an attempt to find someone who has experience running an online community. And you need to get them involved, before you implode your own corner of the internet by jerking people around like this.

I agree, action should be taken.

[odwill]

The poll would have never existed if the SWGEmu staff had any idea that so many would be in favor of a wipe.

You couldn't be more wrong.... Do you think I wanted to put 16 hours into this Poll in two days only to have it removed? I already put over 30 hours a week into this project and some ignorant jerk like you comes in here like you own the place making outlandish false assumptions. I already said we stuffed up and we are sorry, what else do you want? If your out for blood it isn't going to happen. Take your attitude and hit the road.

[belgerath]

There are multiple witnesses of the vote changes before and after forum shutdown, as well as the constant stream of no votes in the last hours. The screenshots are just there to demonstrate the numbers.

[Arnold47525]

I really think we just got a glimpse of the future of SWGemu. Unless something is done RIGHT now, than this emulator is doomed. If a decision to wipe can cause the dev team to flip flop back and forth like this, what is going to happen when real decisions have to be made?

If this team lacks the back bone not to be swayed by a vocal minority, than how is it going to survive this thing out to the end?

Is that not what killed SWG?

No, what we got is just a glimpse on the so called "community". And unless many people just get their mind right, it's the community which has just doomed itself!

You all may not get facts some here straight:
THEY DON'T REALLY NEED ANYONE OF US! BUT WE ARE NEED THEM AND THEIR EXPERIENCE TO GET WHAT WE LIKE TO GET!

They could do it just behind closed doors like the ANH-Team, with just some handpicked testers. They let Nova open for everyone to play on while working on their improvements. They don't have to. They do for the communities sake. The "community" thanks them cheating on a community decision poll. And got flamed by many impatient childish morons when they pull the plug out of it when it went off the trail. GREAT!

I wish I could say I have never seen so much thankless folks, but unfortunately I have. It seems either being part of human nature or is just the common behaviour of our modern society.

I must say I just admire the Devs composure. If I were in charge here, most of this praised community would find him- or herself in front of a closed door, donations reverted, and the team would finish it's work with internal testers only. Lucky you that I'm not.
Oh well, and lucky me.

[Sabbathicus]

Look, the opportunity cost to me is no ****ing blue frogs, which would have increased my enjoyability with this game. My christmas gift was promised and then denied because the givers became sensitive to their purchasing power. Shows a complete lack of complex thinking on their part just narrow-minded selfishness.


Speaking of narrow minded selfishness.

I was so relieved when blue frogs were taken off the test server. Putting them back in would ruin the game for me. I know they will most likely be back in for quite some time when the OR hits, but putting them in now would be a real downer for me, and yes I know it was gonna be two proffs and just for two weeks. It still would have greatly reduced my enjoyment of the game.

[Shadow2k]

Sounds like conspiracy theory to me. Show everyone this evidence if you are going to claim such things

Please don't play this game with them. I think you trying to point out that people make mistakes is more than enough. There was no maliciousness behind any of it, the exact opposite. It just didn't go as planned.

[Otaris]

I believe the reasoning behind the idea was to clean the server of duped items and thus restoring a true economy. The problem is that the same duping method would still be three and thus everything would just go back to how they are right now. I dont know how this duping works but why cant whatever is involved just be removed? We lose a game feature but gain an economy.

[Yo-landi]

You couldn't be more wrong.... Do you think I wanted to put 16 hours into this Poll in two days only to have it removed? I already put over 30 hours a week into this project and some ignorant jerk like you comes in here like you own the place making outlandish false assumptions. I already said we stuffed up and we are sorry, what else do you want? If your out for blood it isn't going to happen. Take your attitude and hit the road.

/Applause Fn Applause:):):):):)

It seems so much more Vaderific when a Staffer says it.:emperor::emperor::emperor:

It was an opinion poll at most..not a "vote that will be held as law. This is SWG EMU not Immigration Reform.:redface:

[fortunofiasco]

Its been shown already but here:
http://img191.imageshack.us/i/pollafterclose.png/
http://img689.imageshack.us/i/pollam...foreclose.png/

The only user(s) capable of casting a negative vote is a moderator.
There was never any intention of doing a wipe.
This poll was done for one reason.... To put at rest the complaints many have made about exploits and dupes.
You would create this poll and say "Look at us! We LISTEN to our community!". But that wasn't to be.


The poll would have never existed if the SWGEmu staff had any idea that so many would be in favor of a wipe.

Some people *really* need to get more sleep, or more fresh air or both...

Dude I hope you have the balls to apologize for such accusations on the devs when you realize your mistake...

Have you not seen the whole site go down during a deadlock and forum posts move from one thread to another ?

Have you never seen the message "database error" in your browser while only IRC was working ?

You think those were the evil devs plotting against you these times ?

No ?

So why would you think it was the case there ? Why such accusations towards the people bringing us this game during their free time ???

I really hope you realize your mistake and have the balls to apologize later...

[thecapn2004]

You couldn't be more wrong.... Do you think I wanted to put 16 hours into this Poll in two days only to have it removed? I already put over 30 hours a week into this project and some ignorant jerk like you comes in here like you own the place making outlandish false assumptions. I already said we stuffed up and we are sorry, what else do you want? If your out for blood it isn't going to happen. Take your attitude and hit the road.

Please do not go the route of name calling and insults to the community. Use your moderator privileges and edit/delete offending posts and posters. This only fuels the drama further.

[kookaburra]

You couldn't be more wrong.... Do you think I wanted to put 16 hours into this Poll in two days only to have it removed? I already put over 30 hours a week into this project and some ignorant jerk like you comes in here like you own the place making outlandish false assumptions. I already said we stuffed up and we are sorry, what else do you want? If your out for blood it isn't going to happen. Take your attitude and hit the road.

Believe me. I wish I was wrong.
I would be very pleased to find out that I have made a grave error in judgment.

[badboy09]

The poll would have never existed if the SWGEmu staff had any idea that so many would be in favor of a wipe.

untrue, i started a poll a few days before the staff poll, the result was was a massive win for a wipe.

[belgerath]

/Applause Fn Applause:):):):):)

It seems so much more Vaderific when a Staffer says it.:emperor::emperor::emperor:

It was an opinion poll at most..not a "vote that will be held as law. This is SWG EMU not Immigration Reform.:redface:


Meh, throwup. How can you be so transparently worshipful and fanboi.

[Whiskey37]

You couldn't be more wrong.... Do you think I wanted to put 16 hours into this Poll in two days only to have it removed? I already put over 30 hours a week into this project and some ignorant jerk like you comes in here like you own the place making outlandish false assumptions. I already said we stuffed up and we are sorry, what else do you want? If your out for blood it isn't going to happen. Take your attitude and hit the road.

Putting in hours doesn't address the fact that many people wanted the wipe and you refused. People asked why? You tell them their "ignorant jerks".It's classic confirmation bias, you didn't get it so you pulled rank and said the same bull**** here. You attack the man not the argument. Boo-****ing-hoo. If it is such a burden to do this, then stop. Go play the victim in some other drama.

I mean jesus age christ. Grow the **** up. In the real world, people don't give a **** how LONG something takes--because their time is just as valuable.

[cRush]

kookaburra, I am having trouble viewing the second screenshot. Please post the full URL.

[Rebelexterminator]

You all may not get facts some here straight:
THEY DON'T REALLY NEED ANYONE OF US! BUT WE ARE NEED THEM AND THEIR EXPERIENCE TO GET WHAT WE LIKE TO GET!



We are need them guys!

[BlazeHoliday]

Shadow2k in the house! Now this thread delivers!

[clownshoe]

The server would of only gotten wiped if the yes votes were over 66%. Some people in the community tried to alter the votes by creating numerous accounts. So the Dev's had every right to just drop the poll.

[odwill]

Putting in hours doesn't address the fact that many people wanted the wipe and you refused. People asked why? You tell them their "ignorant jerks".It's classic confirmation bias, you didn't get it so you pulled rank and said the same bull**** here. You attack the man not the argument. Boo-****ing-hoo. If it is such a burden to do this, then stop. Go play the victim in some other drama.

I mean jesus age christ. Grow the **** up. In the real world, people don't give a **** how LONG something takes--because their time is just as valuable.


I only mentioned the time to refute the assumption that we never wanted the wipe to happen in the first place. Why would we create more work for ourselves when we could have just sat on TC for the months to come with very little fallout? Please see the forest for the trees and take off the blinders. Try using some logic.

[Duchess]

The last time I saw this much drama the server I was on was shut dwn my the GMs. I hope they don't quit working on the OR!

[Valkyra]

Please see the forest for the trees an take off the blinders.

QFE.

Forest for the trees, people.

[Sabbathicus]

Yeah this is ridiculous. If you don't like the way they do things don't play, don't donate, and go away. They'll ship or ANH or will ship someday and there will be other servers and moderators for you to choose from, but this is just ridiculous; you are gonna alienate the ONLY people who have been kind enough to bring us some semblance of a Pre CU gaming experience.

[fortunofiasco]

Odwill, cRush, and all I don't know the name of, please always keep in mind that for every people unhappy on any given MMO forum there *always* are 10 times as much (if not even more) that are happy. Please do always always keep this in mind :)

[belgerath]

The server would of only gotten wiped if the yes votes were over 66%. Some people in the community tried to alter the votes by creating numerous accounts. So the Dev's had every right to just drop the poll.

Except that all facts point to the fraud votes coming in from the no side, and even if not, 66% said yes, which is well past the majority even allowing for a 15% pad. If there was a judgement call to be made, all logic points to erring for wipe rather than no-wipe. This is what the controversy is all about.

[mork]

You and me both, i even made a list.

/duck
me too

[belgerath]

mehhh

[Duchess]

Odwill, cRush, and all I don't know the name of, please always keep in mind that for every people unhappy on any given MMO forum there *always* are 10 times as much (if not even more) that are happy. Please do always always keep this in mind :)

Ditto. I appreciate what you all do and I don' care if you wipe or not.
I just can't imagine how it feels to be in your guys' shoes. I try to and it makes me feel sad. Sorry, hard to type... cat took my arm hostage.

[Arnold47525]

First the earth cooled...then the dinosaurs came...but they got too big and fat and died and turned to oil. Then the arabs came and they all bought mercedes benzes.

- from the movie Airplane ;)

Finally something to laugh about on this bitter place :D

[Whiskey37]

I only mentioned the time to refute the assumption that we never wanted the wipe to happen in the first place. Why would we create more work for ourselves when we could have just sat on TC for the months to come with very little fallout? Please see the forest for the trees an take off the blinders. Try using some logic.

For starter you last analogy doesn't fit. It refers going to the general from the specific, which I was in referring to your inability to address the concerns of the Majority (Forest in you didactic), for your own petty victimhood (trees).

Time not spent does not show cause, as a negative is not an affirmative. Logic? You lost that on word two. "I only"

everyone one else be Dammned. Your blameless because you "worked" sooo long because you said your sorry because you feel everyone else should just "get you"

You exhibit childhood chatter syndrome.

[belgerath]

Whisky get your head out of your ass and go get laid man. That post ^^ was pure nerd.

[cru jodo]

For starter you last analogy doesn't fit. It refers going to the general from the specific, which I was in referring to your inability to address the concerns of the Majority (Forest in you didactic), for your own petty victimhood (trees).

Time not spent does not show cause, as a negative is not an affirmative. Logic? You lost that on word two. "I only"

everyone one else be Dammned. Your blameless because you "worked" sooo long because you said your sorry because you feel everyone else should just "get you"

You exhibit childhood chatter syndrome.

Let odwill be, fighting staff is distracting us from the common enemy "the duper"

Odwill may be a wipe-tease. A naughty hawt lil wipe-tease in need of a spanki...I mean, its not entirely his fault.

We should be past the anger part and be moving on to reconciliation, learning from the mistake, and figuring out where we go from here.

[Potshot]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v502/minime724/hurrdurr.jpg

How the devs view the community

[fortunofiasco]

Your blameless because you "worked" sooo long because you said your sorry because you feel everyone else should just "get you"

You exhibit childhood chatter syndrome.

This has to be a joke right ? Or have you not slept for the past 8 weeks as well ? Like the other conspiracy theorists that think the evil devs are plotting against us ?

[Valkyra]

Whisky get your head out of your ass and go get laid man. That post ^^ was pure nerd.

Wait.

Let me get this straight.

You're on an internet forum for a Star Wars MMORPG server emulator game, and you're calling someone a nerd?

Hypocrite.

Also, I find it hilarious that you equate sexual activity as something 'productive'.

[Shadow2k]

For starter you last analogy doesn't fit. It refers going to the general from the specific, which I was in referring to your inability to address the concerns of the Majority (Forest in you didactic), for your own petty victimhood (trees).

Time not spent does not show cause, as a negative is not an affirmative. Logic? You lost that on word two. "I only"

everyone one else be Dammned. Your blameless because you "worked" sooo long because you said your sorry because you feel everyone else should just "get you"

You exhibit childhood chatter syndrome.

Wow, you didn't get what he was saying at all.

He's telling you that your biases for a server wipe are blinding you. That it makes no sense to create more work for himself. You're trying to pick out specific details of what happened to fit your version of things (the trees), instead of looking at the picture as a whole (the forest).

Read more books please.

[Duchess]

Wait.

Let me get this straight.

You're on an internet forum for a Star Wars MMORPG server emulator game, and you're calling someone a nerd?

Hypocrite.

Also, I find it hilarious that you equate sexual activity as something 'productive'.
It produces something rofl. Usually unwanted results.

[Sabbathicus]

Also, I find it hilarious that you equate sexual activity as something 'productive'.


It's been so long.... Doesn't it produce babies though? Maybe that only works with dogs and puppies....


Edit: Damn Duchess posted faster than me.

[Valkyra]

It produces something rofl. Usually unwanted results.

You know what I meant... :|

But still lawl :D

[fortunofiasco]

Also, I find it hilarious that you equate sexual activity as something 'productive'.

You don't think it is ?

Have you ever tried in the first place ? I think you should, you'd be surprised...

Go give it a try really !

[Valdosemu]

Wait.

Let me get this straight.

You're on an internet forum for a Star Wars MMORPG server emulator game, and you're calling someone a nerd?

Hypocrite.

Also, I find it hilarious that you equate sexual activity as something 'productive'.



My MAN!

[Shadow2k]

We should be past the anger part and be moving on to reconciliation, learning from the mistake, and figuring out where we go from here.

Forget it and go play, just like you did a few days ago. Devs will continue to work on the OR, as they were doing. Well, as long as the people personally attacking them don't piss them off too much, you never know what might happen if this nonsense continues.

[Duchess]

Don't forget to bring a towel. :P Ok, no more jokes ahaha.

[Sabbathicus]

This thread is like a horrible traffic accident that I can't quit gawking at.

[Valkyra]

My MAN!

Only I'm not a man... :O

[Duchess]

Also, I find it hilarious that you equate sexual activity as something 'productive'.


It's been so long.... Doesn't it produce babies though? Maybe that only works with dogs and puppies....


Edit: Damn Duchess posted faster than me.

I did it one handed. I have a p*** in my other. I mean, my cat.

[thecapn2004]

Can I blame SOE for all of this please?

[safak]

kookaburra, I am having trouble viewing the second screenshot. Please post the full URL.
http://img689.imageshack.us/i/pollaminutebeforeclose.png/

er..it keep cutting off. should be 'pollaminutebeforeclose' where the ...'s are

[Shadow2k]

Can I blame SOE for all of this please?

Why? It's this community's fault for making a complete mockery of those threads and polls. It isn't SOE's fault, it isn't the Devs fault. It's our fault.

[giffo]

I personally appreciate the time and effort all the staff have put into project and community.

If I was to leave this game it would not be because of the possibly of a wipe, the delay in making a decision or even the decision not to use the poll - it was because of the absent respect everyone has shown on the forums to other community members and staff.


Especially the people comparing the SWGEmu Staff to SOE, the SWGEmu staff members were the ones who were probably so annoyed they decided to do the impossible and bring back SWG as we all knew and loved, you guys just made some characters and played a game, the staff probably spent numerous days on code consisting of less lines than this post.

[Sabbathicus]

Can I blame SOE for all of this please?

SOE is the cause of all problems, unfortunately unlike beer they're not also the solution.

[criticalmass]

with faction points bugging players out,..so GCW style pvp is fairly worthless,...one hit weapons,...bloated economy from credit duping,....only pvp that exists is dueling/BHing
if you devs werent gonna take the majority voice with some seriousness you fail
-1 respect
just another reason why this project is even more seeming to be out of reach
what i mean is,..if huge programming teams for SoE couldnt do it right, or had the skills to do it and failed. its hard to have faith in a group of weekend warriors following the same path of not listening to their player base.

[t-nutz]

*These are not the Devs you are looking for*

[roodypooh]

ok time for some humor at the staffs expense. AND NO THIS REALLY DIDNT HAPPEN PEOPLE......its just for giggles

http://img401.imageshack.us/img401/4137/devsfakechat.jpg

[Arnold47525]

*These are not the Devs you are looking for*

Mind tricks only work on those who got one. :D

[inyri]

*These are not the Devs you are looking for*Good luck finding some others.

You know, maybe you guys should not try to alienate the guys coding the game you want who are trying to make sure we don't do something as drastic as wiping the server based on information we can't verify is completely accurate.

[cK`]

SOE is the cause of all problems, unfortunately unlike beer they're not also the solution.

LUL! thats funny and very true! its also very sad.....:O:




You people need to stop attack devs.

GO away, do not continue to post on a game forum that you hate. There are people who actually want to see a pre-cu someday do not want faggets like you pissing off the only people who are going to make it happen.

[Shadow2k]

Good luck finding some others.

You know, maybe you guys should not try to alienate the guys coding the game you want who are trying to make sure we don't do something as drastic as wiping the server based on information we can't verify is completely accurate.

Logic doesn't work in here, sorry. :(

The conspiracy theories seem to be much more popular.

[jDittyj]

Personally, I am raging inside that there wasn't a wipe because I get excited for this stuff, but still without the swgemu staff we would even have any of this, pre cu wuldnt even be here, and they have the final say in everything about the server so just everyone stop complaining it's not gonna help anything. I'm sure they have plenty of reason to postpone the wipe, who knows, maybe they have something bigger and better coming sooner that b u think.

[Re'Tak]

Why don't we just kill this thread already? It's completely pointless and I don't see anything but massive e-tears from the community and holier-than-thou drivel from (some) Devs.

Enough is enough.

[Worlack]

This is how I see it:

Devs were brainstorming on how to fix some of the server issues. Wipe was tossed around as an idea, but since it isn't a pressing concern on a "dead code" server it was decided that the community would be allowed to decide. "We are impartial to a wipe" "We will not pander to the QQers."

Poll was launched. Community was passionate one way or the other. People called into question the integrity of the poll due to "lack of information" and "possible fraud".

Poll was revised and relaunched. "66% majority needed" well beyond a standard majority. Community was more informed, but still certain questions were raised such as harvesters and banks. Integrity of poll called into question again, this time due to lack of key points "harvesters and banks" and even more prevalent "voter fraud".

In my view, at this point, the staff saw that they had made a mistake, they didn't take every variable into account, like the possible fraud and the few items they (in my opinion, accidentally) omitted. I believe these were honest mistakes (just as cRush stated) they had already reset the poll once so to do so again would be ridiculous.

There are allegations of votes being removed and the only way to do this in vBulletin requires a moderator to my knowledge. Looking at the evidence of the screenshots, that seems to be a possibility, its also possible that it was simply a database error, I have no idea, I'm not versed enough to comment.

Where I feel the whole affair went south is when, after two separate polls had the majority in favor of a wipe the staff decided to just say nevermind. I understand some of the reasons, but all this ended up doing was causing a storm of controversy. I know there would be controversy either way, but the staff continues to put their collective feet in their mouths instead of sticking to their own rules. Some of the other staff went so far as to simply post "Cry" in another thread and locked it.

I again want to reiterate that this staff has profound skill in creating a pre-CU/NGE experience for us, but in my view, they are desperate for a competent and respectful community staff leader/staff members. I pray that when/if Suncrusher and eventually 1.0 is released that many of these staff members don't have a say in how the server is run internally.

[Newsound]

Pull the plug on the forums and TC for two weeks. Let everyone cool off. This is getting ridiculous. I for one am taking a break.

[Arnold47525]

Good luck finding some others.

You know, maybe you guys should not try to alienate the guys coding the game you want who are trying to make sure we don't do something as drastic as wiping the server based on information we can't verify is completely accurate.

It seems you understood him wrong. His post obviously was a direct answer to the post of criticalmass trying to stop him jumping at the devs. He just forgot to qoute it.

[Re'Tak]

Good luck finding some others.

You know, maybe you guys should not try to alienate the guys coding the game you want who are trying to make sure we don't do something as drastic as wiping the server based on information we can't verify is completely accurate.


Whereas I see the point you're trying to make, the overall flavor of this message is full of more holes than a screen door.

[Kesorx]

I for one am wicked disappointed with this entire thing. They get everyone excited about the wipe, and then, when the majority of the players vote to go through with the wipe (most likely because it would have fixed the most prominent problems, right?) they cancel it.
They should have gone through with it. Even with the few babies. Did they not see the Blue Frogs for two weeks? If everyone was responsible enough they could choose the skill boxes they had before the wipe and get on with the game.
Please, take all the messages from the players here into consideration, and see what the majority is really asking for.

- Kesorx SeKanis

[alexiskool12345]

This is how I see it:

Devs were brainstorming on how to fix some of the server issues. Wipe was tossed around as an idea, but since it isn't a pressing concern on a "dead code" server it was decided that the community would be allowed to decide. "We are impartial to a wipe" "We will not pander to the QQers."

Poll was launched. Community was passionate one way or the other. People called into question the integrity of the poll due to "lack of information" and "possible fraud".

Poll was revised and relaunched. "66% majority needed" well beyond a standard majority. Community was more informed, but still certain questions were raised such as harvesters and banks. Integrity of poll called into question again, this time due to lack of key points "harvesters and banks" and even more prevalent "voter fraud".

In my view, at this point, the staff saw that they had made a mistake, they didn't take every variable into account, like the possible fraud and the few items they (in my opinion, accidentally) omitted. I believe these were honest mistakes (just as cRush stated) they had already reset the poll once so to do so again would be ridiculous.

There are allegations of votes being removed and the only way to do this in vBulletin requires a moderator to my knowledge. Looking at the evidence of the screenshots, that seems to be a possibility, its also possible that it was simply a database error, I have no idea, I'm not versed enough to comment.

Where I feel the whole affair went south is when, after two separate polls had the majority in favor of a wipe the staff decided to just say nevermind. I understand some of the reasons, but all this ended up doing was causing a storm of controversy. I know there would be controversy either way, but the staff continues to put their collective feet in their mouths instead of sticking to their own rules. Some of the other staff went so far as to simply post "Cry" in another thread and locked it.

I again want to reiterate that this staff has profound skill in creating a pre-CU/NGE experience for us, but in my view, they are desperate for a competent and respectful community staff leader/staff members. I pray that when/if Suncrusher and eventually 1.0 is released that many of these staff members don't have a say in how the server is run internally.
Well said ;)

[Shadow2k]

Pull the plug on the forums and TC for two weeks. Let everyone cool off. This is getting ridiculous. I for one am taking a break.

Yup, kill it for a couple weeks. Let people reflect on what no Pre-CU at all is like. See if they can maybe have a little bit more respect for everything once it gets taken a way for a bit.

[Zaff]

I don't want a wipe. But I did vote to wipe with the frogs so the devs could test some things. It is a test server. It is not fun to start over. But it is for testing. I love playing and having fun. But I can give up what I have done in the interest of having the test server be a TEST server.

I don't care what or how much has been duped. It is all going to be wiped. It doesn't matter what I create, harvest, sell, buy, grind, or loot. It is all going to be wiped. I do care about implementing and testing changes that will further the development process so we don't have to deal with duping and some other exploits AFTER the game goes live.

Ultimately it may not matter if we have a wipe or not at this point. But people could at least have had the respect to accept that if two thirds of this community voted to go ahead with a wipe now, it was going to be the decision of the community to put testing before our personal interest in gaming. And if you were going to quit over this, you will be quitting anyways when the DB wipes return after implementing the OR. DB wipes suck. But they are necessary for advancement of the game until the day it goes live. And I probably won't play as often myself when the wipes start happening regularly again. But there are other people who will. And I'm glad they do. I want my game back.

[Daywolf]

Poll? Oh I missed the poll... get stuck in a few threads with what forum time I have so don't always keep ontop of this/all forums. Anyhoot, I vote no :)

It's testing... not everyone spends vast amounts of time playing a half-working game, so who cares if some peeps have tons of stuff? Hey, how about a rollback to 2007, we'll play freez-tag around anchorhead :D

[inyri]

It seems you understood him wrong. His post obviously was a direct answer to the post of criticalmass trying to stop him jumping at the devs. He just forgot to qoute it.You can attach it to any other of a numerous number of disrespectful posts in this thread, in that case.

Frustration is expected. I voted for the wipe myself. Disrespect is uncalled for (on either side).

[hav.rak]

Good luck finding some others.

...

You know, maybe you should try not acting so pompous? You are not as special as you appear to think.

[relentless890]

The poll itself was extremely biased. There were 3 options for Yes and only two for No. In addition, the wording left much to be desired. Fair would have been

No - won't play till OR
No - but I'll still play
INDIFFERENT - I don't care either way
Yes - without frogs
Yes - with frogs

This is only in addition to the numerous citings of developers trying to turn the tides of the poll. Amazingly, with 3 No answers and only 2 Yes answers (60 to 40), people STILL chose pretty overwhelmingly Yes. And let us not forget that the poll was 75% 12 hrs after being posted.

[cru jodo]

You know, maybe you should try not acting so pompous? You are not as special as you appear to think.

And like i have said, the staff isn't enemy. OK, maybe they pulled a bonehead move, but they are not the cause.

We need to set our sights on the problem and go after the dupers. We have a common enemy, and deep down they are the ones to blame.

[inyri]

I'm just a GM who happens to know exactly what these comments are doing to the otherwise very dedicated devs.

[roodypooh]

You can attach it to any other of a numerous number of disrespectful posts in this thread, in that case.

Frustration is expected. I voted for the wipe myself. Disrespect is uncalled for (on either side).

i totally agree its one thing to say this blows or throw alittle fun into a bad situation its another to just flat out insult or demonise people just cause they screw up.

sure your team has a nack for bad judgement..... so do alot of the player base.....but what some people have said does make ya shake ur head in disgust.

[Sabbathicus]

It amazes me how people openly attack moderators here. I have spent a lot of time on the TESNexus forums. You folks don't realize just how easy going the mod.s and rules are here.

[t-nutz]

Good luck finding some others.

You know, maybe you guys should not try to alienate the guys coding the game you want who are trying to make sure we don't do something as drastic as wiping the server based on information we can't verify is completely accurate.

WTH man, I joined just the other day and this? That wasn't an insult to any of you. If you had watched the movies, when Qui-gon does the droid mindtrick thing, they quit looking for the droids... As in, they need to quit looking for you...!?!?

Was I misinterpreted?

[inyri]

Yes, you were misinterpreted.

And pretty sure that was Obi-wan. ;)

[Re'Tak]

I'm just a GM who happens to know exactly what these comments are doing to the otherwise very dedicated devs.


It comes with the territory. Perhaps the Devs in question need to take a break for awhile and not mess with anything until they've either recharged their batteries OR decided that the payoff isn't worth the headache.

[Daywolf]

I'm just a GM who happens to know exactly what these comments are doing to the otherwise very dedicated devs.
Well, I have no part in the debate, not even going to look around for who is saying what. All I have to say really is that the devs are doing a good job with this all. Development is a big task, tons of things happen that makes one head spin, it's work. So if they want to wipe or not wipe for whatever reason, it's really up to them. There really wasn't that big a difference in the poll anyway, it's not like 80% of forum lurkers are wanting a wipe. So, imo, it's their call :)

[cru jodo]

In fact throughout this entire process, the devs were not involved until cRush attempted to put out some flames after the fact and was unjustly attacked.

[t-nutz]

Good luck finding some others.

You know, maybe you guys should not try to alienate the guys coding the game you want who are trying to make sure we don't do something as drastic as wiping the server based on information we can't verify is completely accurate.

Yes, you were misinterpreted.

And pretty sure that was Obi-wan. ;)

Ahm, got me on that one!

[chiwar7178]

Good luck finding some others.

You know, maybe you guys should not try to alienate the guys coding the game you want who are trying to make sure we don't do something as drastic as wiping the server based on information we can't verify is completely accurate.

The whole problem is that the community has been ignored and jerked around. The devs can't be alienated from or by any group that they don't pay any attention to in the first place.

On the flip-side of the coin: yes, a lot of people have been real a-holes--but this is on ALL sides of this entire dramafest. Devs, staff, AND players... Especially players; mainly due to the massive amount of posts/chat coming from the players, with very little coming from the others.

The major problem: the percentage of negativity when it comes to players vs. the percentage of negativity from everyone else. A much higher percentage of negativity IS coming from the devs/staff.

These last few days have shown that things haven't changed in the last few years. I leave that statement as-is. There are still problems all the way around.

Yes, devs spend a hell of a lot of time coding this project. The staff spends a hell of a lot of time administrating the site, server, irc, etc. What both of you groups fail to recognize, at least publicly: the players spend a hell of a lot MORE time playing through the code and finding any bugs. Yes, playing a game and doing coding or site administration are different ballparks, but their still time taken away from our families, friends, and pets. Time IS money.

I do appreciate what the devs are doing here, despite the supposed in-fighting and backbiting they have to deal with. No, they don't HAVE to do this. Ditto for the staff. This entire community needs to stop with all the disrespectful comments and out-and-out barbarism when dealing with one another.

Players: if you don't like what's going on here, you don't have to stay here, read the forums, donate, play the TC, or anything. If you really wish to show your disapproval, don't donate, don't post, and don't play here. The staff/devs don't have to take and BS from you. You don't have to be respectful, but you won't be disrespectful, at least not for very long. @ban does work here.

Staff/Devs: keep doing your thing, but be respectful. Just being in a position of power and/or authority does not grant you the right of respect. Respect is something earned, period. Just as stated above, just because you don't have the right of respect doesn't mean that you should be treated disrespectfully, either. At the absolute worst, y'all should be treated in a courteously-neutral manner. As you know @ban does work here. Exercise it if rules are not followed, hackers/exploiters are caught, or you're disrespected.

[Daywolf]

geez the drama, it's bringing the database server to it's knees.
Think I'll go play with my modelling app ;)

[Jordak Lestenya]

I agree with Daywolf. They work harder than anyone else, and they reap no benefits from it. Personally I think everyone should stop fighting....but that wont happen...so at least dont bag on the devs...

[Legendary]

I for one am happy there won't be a wipe so soon! Thanks! :D

[Luffyoo]

After some time to calm down and refocus on what is important, the fact we can all play SWG as it was meant to be enjoyed, I would like to say kudos to the devs for any communication at all.
I think when things like this happens it reminds us of what we have all been through and not just with SOE. Most of the time the community is not thought of and when something scares us we react poorly.
I feel lucky to have found this game again and am thoroughly enjoying it. If I wasnt I wouldnt be here.
Maybe in future you should have a poll about whether to have a poll or not... hrm.. seems silly doesnt it.
Keep at it guys. We're here because of your dedication. Sometimes we forget that.

[Traxian]

Well, the one thing that this has made abundantly clear to me is that the majority of the community surrounding this game is simply not one that I can continue to test and enjoy the game with. It's too divided and hostile. Certainly I took a side in the wipe debate, but I tried to state my thoughts clearly, and was open to consider the arguments of others. Most of the hundreds of pages of posts I read were just bitter hostility, though I appreciate those which rose above that.

Long story short, this will be ignored or I'll get a "QQ more, noob" or something, which is fine. How I feel about the community isn't the reason I made this post...

I simply ask that this account and its associated information be deleted as I have uninstalled the emulator and SWG and don't intend to return at any point in the near future. I like to tie up loose ends like that, and it would be much appreciated.

And lastly, I would like to thank the developers of this project. I installed it out of curiosity to see how the project was coming along, and to see if there was anything I could do to help, and spent a couple weeks playing with it. What you've accomplished is genuinely impressive, and allowed me to relive those memories of 2004 and the only MMORPG I ever played quite convincingly, lantern birds and all. Damn elusive Lantern Birds of memory. Never could remember what they looked like.

I wish you success with completing this project, as I'm sure that in a finished state with a broader community it would be a very enjoyable experience indeed.

[Jordak Lestenya]

Well, the one thing that this has made abundantly clear to me is that the majority of the community surrounding this game is simply not one that I can continue to test and enjoy the game with. It's too divided and hostile. Certainly I took a side in the wipe debate, but I tried to state my thoughts clearly, and was open to consider the arguments of others. Most of the hundreds of pages of posts I read were just bitter hostility, though I appreciate those which rose above that.

Long story short, this will be ignored or I'll get a "QQ more, noob" or something, which is fine. How I feel about the community isn't the reason I made this post...

I simply ask that this account and its associated information be deleted as I have uninstalled the emulator and SWG and don't intend to return at any point in the near future. I like to tie up loose ends like that, and it would be much appreciated.

And lastly, I would like to thank the developers of this project. I installed it out of curiosity to see how the project was coming along, and to see if there was anything I could do to help, and spent a couple weeks playing with it. What you've accomplished is genuinely impressive, and allowed me to relive those memories of 2004 and the only MMORPG I ever played quite convincingly, lantern birds and all. Damn elusive Lantern Birds of memory. Never could remember what they looked like.

I wish you success with completing this project, as I'm sure that in a finished state with a broader community it would be a very enjoyable experience indeed.

If only everyone could be like this....

[Nakasi]

I think this event makes SWGEmu the closest we will ever come to emulating SWG Pre-cu. Even without a complete game, so much drama/butthurt has been generated. This brings back good memories.

[Luffyoo]

Quit in the face od diversity?? Id rather have less like that.

[Jordak Lestenya]

I think we should just forgive and forget. its done its over and theres nothing that can be done. just acccept it and move on.

[stil]

Good luck finding some others.

You know, maybe you guys should not try to alienate the guys coding the game you want who are trying to make sure we don't do something as drastic as wiping the server based on information we can't verify is completely accurate.

what he said.

[Luffyoo]

Couldnt agree more. No good will come of it.
Put the servers back up now, we'll be good.. Pinky Promise.

[Daywolf]

I simply ask that this account and its associated information be deleted as I have uninstalled the...
I'm not sure why they would do that. Do you really think they would? That would be odd.. But yes, can get hostile around here at times, it's normal in forums where they don't go around banning the community so much (apart from having multi-accouts here). But it's not always hostile. But I'm sure your comment was to add a pinch of drama. Bye bye :)
Ok back to that modeling app.. :D

Think I'll model a drama queen crown ;)
(not really)

[Kesorx]

I think we should just forgive and forget. its done its over and theres nothing that can be done. just acccept it and move on.

Usually I would agree. But more than half voted for the wipe. They devs also stated that they would not fall to QQers.
They must have tripped. I feel ashamed saying this.. But they know it was wrong. And yeah, I understand how some people may have had great progress in the game.. But still. Sorry if I offended anyone.

[Jordak Lestenya]

Usually I would agree. But more than half voted for the wipe. They devs also stated that they would not fall to QQers.
They must have tripped. I feel ashamed saying this.. But they know it was wrong. And yeah, I understand how some people may have had great progress in the game.. But still. Sorry if I offended anyone.

I see your reasoning....hmmm... idk....im sure they have their reasons...they wouldnt just do it to be mean....

[Luffyoo]

However, we dont know why they didnt go ahead.
They mentioned that people had bought up some issues with the wipe that they deemed worthy enough to listen to.
Until we know what they were, we prolly shouldnt overly stress about it.

[CrackPipe2011]

I was really looking forward to the wipe but ehhh whatever

[t-nutz]

However, we dont know why they didnt go ahead.
They mentioned that people had bought up some issues with the wipe that they deemed worthy enough to listen to.
Until we know what they were, we prolly shouldnt overly stress about it.

^^^^^^^

[inyri]

I see your reasoning....hmmm... idk....im sure they have their reasons...they wouldnt just do it to be mean....
You may want to read the whole thread (just pick out dev posts) and I think you'll find that the reasons were explained. And we weren't just trying to be mean.

[Traxian]

I'll make one more post I suppose.

My problem isn't with the diversity of the community. Diversity in itself is a wonderful thing.

Wipe, don't wipe, blue frogs, no blue frogs. All of these had merit. The reason I'm opting to leave this project behind me for the time being is because very few members of the community were in my opinion, able to express and debate their views on the merits of any of these options. It was all pages and pages of attacks and accusations.

Diversity is a wonderful thing because it allows different view points for discussion. If there's no discussion diversity loses so much of its value.

True, it is not always the best idea to turn and leave at the onset of trouble. Nor would I in every situation. For SWGemu though, I feel that that's the best choice for me. It's a game, if it's not fun for me then why stay?

And lastly, again I wish the developers and indeed the users success and fun with this project.

[mrtippy4431]

Silly humans and your fanatical overreactions (not applicable to all). Rather than complaining, chastising, lecturing (guilty...), and behaving like a bunch of squabbling politicians who found a reason to attack someones reputation, get back in the game and see if there are still undiscovered exploits so that way they can be identified and tested with the OR code, that way history wont have to repeat itself.

Keep up the good work EMU!

[Kesorx]

However, we dont know why they didnt go ahead.
They mentioned that people had bought up some issues with the wipe that they deemed worthy enough to listen to.
Until we know what they were, we prolly shouldnt overly stress about it.



If they had informed us of it, I'm sure there would be alot more reasonable messages on this board.
I agree. :)

[Jordak Lestenya]

You may want to read the whole thread (just pick out dev posts) and I think you'll find that the reasons were explained. And we weren't just trying to be mean.

i have seen a few of their reasons, but it just seems like there is more than what ive found...and i meant no disrespect...and i did say you guys werent trying to be mean =D

[Baigs]

I'll make one more post I suppose.



True, it is not always the best idea to turn and leave at the onset of trouble. Nor would I in every situation. For SWGemu though, I feel that that's the best choice for me. It's a game, if it's not fun for me then why stay?


Because if the few that are vocal and disrespectful can silence the rest of us and make themselves the "Majority" then does the game we love even have a chance?

Never met you in game but very sad to see you leave

[Lazerbrick]

Honestly, why do you guys even have a public relations wing at this point. It's obvious that no matter what decision you guys make the community will be outraged at you, due to past relations blunders. Setting up something like this in concept, Staff should have known, with all the past QQ from this community, that we could not handle this decision.
i'm tired of hearing from staff "you guys should not bite the hand that feeds". After years and years of the same reaction from the same people, how do you guys expect any different reaction than the one you get every time you do something. The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different result, you guys might be clinically insane at this point.

[IcyError]

Hi guys,

I normaly don't tell my views in discussions like that but I have 2 massive problems with the actual situation:

1.)

You couldn't be more wrong.... Do you think I wanted to put 16 hours into this Poll in two days only to have it removed? I already put over 30 hours a week into this project and some ignorant jerk like you comes in here like you own the place making outlandish false assumptions. I already said we stuffed up and we are sorry, what else do you want? If your out for blood it isn't going to happen. Take your attitude and hit the road.

You think he/she is wrong? Ok no problem! You want to tell us that it's not your fault how unhappy the people are and that you have put in a lot of work? Understood and much appreciated! BUT never ever should someone of the community lead(GM, Community Managers, Devs) ever call community members like this. Why? Because if someone from the devs speak like this everyone else will shortly talk like this...


2.)

I have no problem with the decision of the devs to don't do a wipe even if I voted for a wipe.
BUT you state SWGEmu is a non-profit, open source community project.
Now my problem is if you do a poll (which you don't need to) you HAD TO do whatever the poll result is. Just because of the morale of the community as this community think they are a big part of the project. If you need to do the opposite of the poll result just "modify" the poll result. It will not have that much impact on the community as the actual solution...



BTW for all that think the devs do it in their free time and we have no rights do critism just think about what will happen to all the hard work if we always say "Yes, Yes,..." - everytime the community will loose people until no people are there anymore. The devs worked hard but no one left to thank them or honor their work.

After that said I still have trust into this project and I am sure the devs will learn a lot from these events.

[Cassus]

I've been playing SWG since release, I'm glad the EMU is around. I don't play to much cuz i know the OR is coming and everything is gona get wiped anyways. BUT, is there any word on how far away the OR REALLY is?

[Luffyoo]

Is there an OR???

O.o

[trunck]

next year

[topllama]

Bummer!

I have played for a couple months now and can not seem to be able to compete on the trade forums with those that have some many credits. So a wipe was seen as a leveling of the playing field.

Oh well. Hopefully the OR wipe will be this summer some time.

[monkeypye]

I am confused.

the developers control the code on the forums
the developers control the code in the game.

the developers posted a vote and set the rules for the vote and what would happen based on the vote.

Yet the vote was disregarded partly because of new accounts?
if you control the forums cant you control how and who places the votes?
Set limits of account age? SOMETHING?

I dont care which way the vote went.
I am pissed because I was misled by the people I TRUST to bring this game to its fullest potential.

Now that this vote and bull**** has happened...I dont trust a word the devs say.

I doubt the OR is actually gonna happen at this point.

Are they just milking donation money and using it for something else then what they say it is being used for?

I cant trust them anymore and will NEVER donate money to this project until it is finished.

[-ace-]

OUTRAGE....i can't believe i pay a monthly subscription fee for this!!


...oh wait.

[Crath_Onagi]

All these whiners. Just be thankful we even have this game.

[Kamahl Krosa]

You babies are just crying because you can't use Blue Frogs. Waaaah Waaaah I want free skillz i want jedi waaah.

[Ketzal]

I love you all, marry me.

[Daywolf]

Bummer!

I have played for a couple months now and can not seem to be able to compete on the trade forums with those that have some many credits. So a wipe was seen as a leveling of the playing field.

Oh well. Hopefully the OR wipe will be this summer some time.
That really is a sad reason to wipe. I'm a newbie so please wipe. Going over many comments in the poll, a majority that voted yes with many ridiculous variations of demands on a wipe (credits, items, accounts etc..) simply wanted it to "even the playing field", it's clear.

That is no reason to wipe the database, it's just being mean to the existing community that is waiting for the OR and that wipe, there really is no need for bug reporting at this time. And yes before I get flamed, I know some vets do want a wipe, I do respect their opinions. Yet many that have been here for years probably would not even come back after such a pre-or wipe for a time since we know it will get wiped again, and we are hoping the wipe for the OR is soon.

If they did wipe it, it would only mean that the OR release is no time soon, so why spend the time starting over to "even the playing field" (or variation of that comment), we have family and friends, a life, and investing in a beta stage (a lame duck stage actually) to accommodate the newer players is pretty silly; if you really give it some thought.

Come on people, restore civility, go with the flow, take a chill pill, a wipe will be around soon enough, and at a point we will all agree it's really needed (e.g for the OR). If you are new, just tough it out, we pretty much all have here at one time or another.

[solid-snake-san]

Umm... I really hope you guys have a better way of managing the database than just forcing a wipe down on everyone. You know, like a rollback or something. Kinda like all other MMOs? ffs, my WoW shard creates DB backups every 6 hours, but I can schedule it to whatever I want.

[Ketzal]

"An individual who breaks a law that conscience tells him is unjust, and who willingly accepts the penalty of imprisonment in order to arouse the conscience of the community over its injustice, is in reality expressing the highest respect for the law."

--Martin Luther King, Jr.

Unban Spun!
/sign

[fisherking]

Well i voted yes for wipe but with frogies no clue where i would have found one but a pet blue frog sounded nice(this is a joke i know its not funny but it made me smile.) Anyway i intend to keep playing as it really doesn't hurt me at all that people have tons of duped stuff, though it would have been nice to restart MeH i am over it. Let the good times roll.

[TayTayMay]

The devs and us have a symbiotic relationship here, folks.

Notice how the minute a dev posts in this thread, the hate goes down? It’s easy to attack the wizard behind the curtain, a lot harder when he actually says something back.

That doesn’t mean the devs weren’t wrong, just that it takes a public face and accountability to calm people down. That’s what PR is. A public face.

In the grand scale of the Emu, wiping the TC isn’t really that big of a deal. But it does show us how the relationship between the devs and community works.

People will always be pissed when their voice isn’t heard. I voted for a wipe. I stand by that choice.

The Emu has never been known for great community relations; maybe this will create a spark that will change that.

I hope it does.

-Tay

P.S. For what it’s worth:

Devs, for all your hard work, volunteering, and for donning the flame suits, thank you.

And to the community, we are a salty bunch ready to call bull**** at the drop of a hat. If we weren’t this passionate about this damn game it would have dead a long time ago. For that, thank you.

[kookaburra]

You babies are just crying because you can't use Blue Frogs. Waaaah Waaaah I want free skillz i want jedi waaah.

I WAS looking forward to the frogs actually.

I recently decided to make an attempt at the Armorsmith profession since I've always enjoyed crafting. It has been VERY slow going and I gained a new appreciation for those who have made this progression on a test server.

I would've been fine without frogs, I just wouldn't start armorsmith again!

[AlphaDawg]

I just hope that we can get past this mess! There are a lot of good people here. While we might not always agree on everything,we are all here for the same thing!

I am disappointed how this all went down but it isn't life changing. I respect everyones opinion's but we really need to calm down.And I think that is beginning to happen. This is a great community and the Team is awesome. I believe this will make us a stronger community in the end.

Thankx,

AlphaDawg

[azkornboi]

suck it up QQ'ers, its TC

[yamahard]

I would just like to say that I've been here since all you could do is run around Anchorhead on this test server. I really appreciate all the hard work that you folks have done to bring us closer to a real pre-cu game. I voted for a wipe also, but it's no big deal. I am truly enjoying just playing and testing on the server. Thank you.

[Satoc]

if it walks like soe, and it talks like soe, its soe.......thanks for reminding us all that you're really soe


soe 2.0

[Baigs]

soe 2.0

makes as much since as comparing modern day politicians to Hitler and Stalin.

[Stevo]

makes as much since as comparing modern day politicians to Hitler and Stalin.Godwin's law never fails.

[Sky-]

Dang! :O (room spinning)

/recoverFromBeingBlindsided :?

Apparently, another symptom of the blue frog virus is saying your going to do one thing and doing another. :)

I wrote some funny stuff about the blue frog virus in my previous post. Can we get the poll thread back? :rolleyes:

/warning2Devs Stop trippin on bluF. That stuff is dangerous! The hi is just not worth it. :shakehead:

/requestCommunityStopFlaming :deadhorse:

/thank devs :rock::bow:

/startSWGEmu

P.S.
/?2Devs Did you run out of TP? ;)

[Mikla Tesla]

I will say that it makes me chuckle a little seeing this page, and seeing the number of people who originally were saying things like "Wipe it, the devs obviously want to" and etc... are complaining now and the number of people talking about quitting now that they have said no wipe are saddening. Last time I looked the vote poll wasn't "Yes, and give me blue frogs or I QUIT!".

I'm not a forum mod, none of us are but the mods. If they put up the vote with the intention of it being a fair vote and creating a good discussion, then saw that it was in any way becoming one that was questionable (BOTH the YES and NO sides made accusations of tampering, proxy clicking, etc..), and saw the level of division it was creating in the community, I can't blame them for taking it down.

What they did was in NO way the same as what SOE did or does. SOE didn't run a serious poll that was aimed at letting the players dictate what would happen. SOE didn't consult with players before implementing changes, or tossing out the CU or NGE. All they did was say "this is what's gonna happen, kkthnxbye".

Players should be grateful the developers even considered putting up a poll to let players decide, and should also realize that a forum based poll is a great way to express thoughts and opinions, but not something that should be used to determine the course of the game.

The devs tried it, and it turned into a complete mess. I for one am grateful they tried, but believe the COMMUNITY could've AS A WHOLE handled it a lot better than they did. A lot of people made assumptions of a wipe, and others that there'd be no wipe, and as a result many players did things IN GAME that were geared toward a wipe. This phenomenon is exactly why the developers did the RIGHT thing is saying "ok this is a cluster-bleep, let's end it".

I will remind all of those who screamed "It's a TC, it should be wiped" and "If the Devs want to wipe, then wipe!" that yes, it IS a TC, it IS the Devs call, and if they look at what's happening when they experiment with letting the COMMUNITY become more involved in the decision making process and that spirals out of control... yeah I can't blame them for calling it.

I take this as a learning experience for everyone...including the developers...and now they know that it's a completely BAD idea to try to let "the Community" try to decide the course of the server. So, to that end, I say let's get back to playing, maybe the devs can patch in some of the dupe fixes, and let's move one like they hadn't brought the poll in the first place.

After all, HAD they NEVER put the polls up, we'd ALL be doing the exact same thing today as we were before the polls were up...Grinding away, making creds, talking, chatting, beating each other up in duels, all the while waiting for the OR.

QFE -very well said

[Baigs]

Godwin's law never fails.

Not making a direct comparison :P

And I prefer Murphy's Law

[Eatea]

Perhaps you folks should read more carefully. Since part of the Community tried to manipulate the voting by creating new accounts. The only thing that was possible was to withdraw the poll and to stay on the path as planned.
It the inet so there are a lot of ways to cheat and manipulate things, so from a good community, i would expect people not to make an personal advantage of bugs and errors like credit and item Duping, if there would be not so much egoism it would be much nicer but there is defenitly no way to change mankind.

So take it as it is don´t blame them, blame the a**holes that cannot stay with certain standards and who go for every method to get their will.

Thx to the team for for taking a hard decision , but i can understand them pretty well.
And thx for giving us a great game back.

[Stevo]

Not making a direct comparison :P

And I prefer Murphy's LawStill a comparison. ;)

[AlphaDawg]

I just dont see how you can compare this with $OE. Im not trying to flame anyone. What happened here isnt even close to what $OE did.

$OE took a game we paid for, loved and scraped it for the NGE! Completely changing the game. I really dont think a wipe or no wipe really changes the game much and on top of that we dont have to pay to play!

What happened here was disappointing but crap happens.People make mistakes.Its what we do. Believe it or not,no one is perfect. Not even the EMU Team.

Remember the hate we had,(I still have),for $OE??
Can you honestly tell me you have the same hate for the EMU Team over this?? I would have to hate them that much to be able to compare the two!

But hey,thats me! Im not even a little mad over this mess,(I voted for the wipe),.It was just a mistake, it isnt the first and it sure as hell wont be the last.

Right now Im just thankful I can play/test pre-cu and have confidence the Team will do whats best for this server. I respect their decisions whether I think it to be right or wrong.

Thankx,

AlphaDawg

[waa]

Ya cant tell me everyone involved on the "swg team" who had a say in all of this, read the funny business that went on with the poll in its last minutes before being locked and removed.

I'm at a big 'whatever' when it comes to this game, ya its fun, but when the day ends..... its the devs puppy to kick, and no one elses.

speedhacks, rubber banding, and now this, rinse and repeat

[Metal]

Ebayer's and casual loozers have won, with their crying.


I'm glad i wont be playing on suncrusher, becouse i see what will happen there ;).


It may sound harsh, but it is so...

[junbao]

Wiping a TC shouldn't be such a big deal. Says alot about the current community, the way this is getting blown out of proportion.:|

[erminator]

Anyone who compare the swgemu team to soe are seriously misguided, what happened here was even on there test center they actually gave us a choice on the future of this server and unfortunately a minority of this community took that choice away from us by exploiting the poll with more votes than they were entitled to.
we will never know the true feelings of the community on this matter because of it and it must of really put a limitation on the future community involvement in development choices.
I hope that the people flaming the devs because of a biased poll realise that there was no result down to those few that multi voted and therefore the correct decision was taken.

I continue to thank all the developers and community staff for there continued efforts on this project

[Alamar01]

Well, on the behalf of myself I'd like to apologize to the swgemu staff for those that are being frankly offensive and damaging to this community's goal. For the sake of making this a better place, please everyone chill out and move on. Whether you think you are owed one or not, the staff has already apologized and tried to make things better for all sides in this issue.

Lets please move forward from this with personal goals of making this community a better place and focus on having fun while trying to improve the emu itself as a whole.

[Diehomey!]

God after seeing all the **** in this thread I'm making a motion. If the devs see this comment, take note to not listen to anybody except yourselves. Don't let what anybody else says sway your opinion. If someone doesn't like what you, the ultimate dealbreakers, are doing, then they can gtfo. This is not a for profit project so figures don't need to be worried about. Make an agenda, post the agenda, and stick with it. Screw everyone else.

[Letesh]

QQ QQ there thats done... Can we go back to playing the damn game now. That is all it is after all...

SRSBSNSS

[Jengu-fet]

QQ QQ there thats done... Can we go back to playing the damn game now. That is all it is after all...

SRSBSNSS

Even though there was no wipe the issues still need to be addressed.

[safak]

makes as much since as comparing modern day politicians to Hitler and Stalin.

Barry Soetoro (a.k.a. barrack obama) Time's 'man of the year 2008
http://www.obamacovers.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/12/obama-0812-time.jpg
---
Hitler, Time's 'man of the year' 1939
http://scrapetv.com/News/News%20Pages/Everyone%20Else/images-3/hitler-time-magazine-cover.jpg

----
Stalin, Time's 'man of the year' 1940
http://www.coverbrowser.com/image/time/879-1.jpg

[Letesh]

Even though there was no wipe the issues still need to be addressed.

The fact of the matter is, no one is forcing anyone to play, or test, this free game. Therefore, no one here has cause to pitch a fit for not getting there way one way or the other. Accept what the Devs are trying to do for us in this endeavor or get the hell out.

[Shadow2k]

Even though there was no wipe the issues still need to be addressed.

I'd prefer they work on the OR. You would think everyone who cares about seeing a complete pre-cu server would feel the same way.

[leoten]

Barry Soetoro (a.k.a. barrack obama) Time's 'man of the year 2008
http://www.obamacovers.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/12/obama-0812-time.jpg
---
Hitler, Time's 'man of the year' 1939
http://scrapetv.com/News/News%20Pages/Everyone%20Else/images-3/hitler-time-magazine-cover.jpg

----
Stalin, Time's 'man of the year' 1940
http://www.coverbrowser.com/image/time/879-1.jpg




WOOT!!!!

GOP ftw!


.

[zaphresz]

Omg whats going to happen to my resources, what about my 5M max PH that i was going to dupe. **** i was gonna sell my holo for 3085203Mill

Oh wait the 33% minority won, great now everyone can get back to ****ing the economy, one of the most vital and unique parts in the game

Thanks SOE

[Letesh]

Omg whats going to happen to my resources, what about my 5M max PH that i was going to dupe. **** i was gonna sell my holo for 3085203Mill

Oh wait the 33% minority won, great now everyone can get back to ****ing the economy, one of the most vital and unique parts in the game

Thanks SOE

Here Zap, have a refund for everything this game has cost you. Now, STOP WHINING.

[erminator]

Omg whats going to happen to my resources, what about my 5M max PH that i was going to dupe. **** i was gonna sell my holo for 3085203Mill

Oh wait the 33% minority won, great now everyone can get back to ****ing the economy, one of the most vital and unique parts in the game

Thanks SOE

There was no minority or majority, the poll was duped and there fore invalid, now stop flaming the devs and live with the fact you have a free game on a TEST server and enjoy until OR

[Letesh]

Its sad really. It shows the decline of America and just how far the MTV generation has fallen. Everyone here is being provided with a FREE game that is being privatly funded, supported and developed. Moreover, it is a game that we all lost years ago and for some time, never thought we would get back. Now that we have something, few can simply say thank you, instead most of you are all a ungratefull bastards.

I will not be counted in that majority. Devs, you have my deepest appreciation for your work on this project and you shall have my support on whatever measures must be taken for it to succeed.

[fixit6]

Anyone care to justify charging 3+ mil for a sub 190 damage VK? Funny how inflated things have gotten.

[kookaburra]

There was no minority or majority, the poll was duped and there fore invalid, now stop flaming the devs and live with the fact you have a free game on a TEST server and enjoy until OR

Wrong.
The VAST majority voted for a wipe.
One or more moderators on this board altered the vote count and then deleted the poll thread.

(I'll post these links again since I know it'll be asked)
http://img191.imageshack.us/i/pollafterclose.png/
http://img689.imageshack.us/i/pollaminutebeforeclose.png/

Take a close look at those numbers.

[Jengu-fet]

Now that we have something, few can simply say thank you, instead most of you are all a ungratefull bastards.

What are you babbling on about fool? this has nothing to do with what's been done so far. If you weren't here when the polls were up can you please think before you speak. You're so quick to label anyone who's upset as a "swgemu hater", without even knowing the circumstances. The reason people are angered is because they're part of the community just like you and any of the other fools galloping around on your high horse.

[Arlam]

This just makes me sad. Thank you Devs for attempting to treat the community as responsible people. Unfortunately when push comes to shove this showed that we are not. Thank you for your patience towards us.

[Shadow2k]

Anyone care to justify charging 3+ mil for a sub 190 damage VK? Funny how inflated things have gotten.

So go buy a 180dmg VK off the bazaar for 20k like most of us have been doing for a while now. Who freakin cares, its a test center.

[Letesh]

I was here for the polls. I voted in both of them. However, Whether there was a poll or not, or whether or not the actions of the devs were based on the results of the poll, is irrelevant. Recognizing the fact that this is a free game no one here has a right to complain to any of the Emu staff about the outcome of either of these polls or anything else regarding the development and functionality of the game. All of us are here by the good graces of the people working hard to make this endeavor happen. By all means offer advice, but dont whine untill your blue in the face because you dont get your way.

[Shadow2k]

What are you babbling on about fool? this has nothing to do with what's been done so far. If you weren't here when the polls were up can you please think before you speak. You're so quick to label anyone who's upset as a "swgemu hater", without even knowing the circumstances. The reason people are angered is because they're part of the community just like you and any of the other fools galloping around on your high horse.

Right, the community. Unfortunately it was the community that screwed this one up. Jacking with the votes, flaming the hell out of each other. Acting like spoiled brats, from the time the first poll went up...right up until now.

The community, as you so thoughtfully put it, should be worried about the future of the game as a whole. Not little bits and pieces of a test center that are insignificant in the long run.

[Yhor]

I feel like an a$$ for making a comparison of this project to SOE, I really do. I appreciate what has been done on development, and with efforts made to strengthen the community. I know I've made mistakes before, big mistakes, and I probably will again (though I hope not big ones).

I can't say I forgive the staff responsible for what took place the past few days, but I can understand what it means to make mistakes. I can look past the mistakes if they aren't very severe and come at a low frequency.

People seem to complain about politicians who 'do nothing', but the thing about doing nothing is, you don't screw something up worse than it is. Planning and foresight are needed when taking action (such as a vote or writing policy); if something major gets overlooked, then someone might as well have dropped a bowling ball through a faulty glass bottom boat, because that just might sink in the right conditions... no matter the precautions taken to keep it afloat.

I'm still angry about what happened. I'm not angry about the dupes, cheats, script kiddies, etc... I'm not angry about the development here (programmers here are top notch). I'm not even angry that things were promised and not delivered (basically being lied to). I'm angry at my reaction, and I'm angry I didn't do more to help in the process instead of degrading the process. The entire process failed due to this... a shared blame by 90% of us who contributed opinions.

I posted about how weak the poll was implemented (regards to legitimacy of voters) and how it could be salvaged by implementing forum tools to keep it from degrading. I reported posts that were spreading false information (where no action was taken to clear up bad information). But I did these things in a sea of arguments and in a manner and tone that were bound to be ignored. I am at fault, and I'm angry about that fact alone.

I apologize for my misdirected anger and condescending demeanor during this ordeal. I don't ask to be forgiven, but I hope it can be understood, as I can understand the other side as well.

I hope in the future that we can all learn from what took place and not repeat the same mistakes.

[zaphresz]

Here Zap, have a refund for everything this game has cost you. Now, STOP WHINING.

There was no minority or majority, the poll was duped and there fore invalid, now stop flaming the devs and live with the fact you have a free game on a TEST server and enjoy until OR

You guys are missing the whole point here... please stop trying to remind everyone that this a free TC, we all know that. The FACT remains that THEY asked us what our opinion was, then just ignored.
If your going to do what ever pleases you then don't ask 2000 other people.

Its sad really. It shows the decline of America and just how far the MTV generation has fallen. Everyone here is being provided with a FREE game that is being privatly funded, supported and developed. Moreover, it is a game that we all lost years ago and for some time, never thought we would get back. Now that we have something, few can simply say thank you, instead most of you are all a ungratefull bastards.

I will not be counted in that majority. Devs, you have my deepest appreciation for your work on this project and you shall have my support on whatever measures must be taken for it to succeed.

Don't get me wrong, I also have the deepest appreciation, just like everyone else, for what the devs are doing in general. If they had decided on a wipe w/o asking then no one would have any say in the matter. This became OUR decision the second the devs posted the poll.

Oh and for everyone who's blaming people created accounts to increase votes, how do you know how they voted? They could be evenly distributed for all we know, so there's no point to be made there...

[Letesh]

They didn' "just ignore" it. A decent respect to the opinions of anyone here required that the polls be thrown out because of the corruption involved in them. Corruption I'm sure was shared by both sides. I will agree with you sir, that if there were to be a wipe, it should be announced and done because people are always going to try and find an angle to get what they want, otherwise, stick to the original plan and wipe at the OR.

[Shadow2k]

You guys are missing the whole point here... The FACT remains that THEY asked us what our opinion was, then just ignored.

I think you should go back and read the first post in this thread. They didn't ignore your opinion. They had valid reasons for what they did, whether you agree with their decision or not.

If they wanted to ignore you, they never would have posted the polls. Why create the drama? Makes no sense.

[Snowtigre]

Where is the result's of the Poll.. 24hr's later and the 2nd poll has gone missing..

If we had the number's for a Wipe Why not Wipe..

If you take into account the number of active player's, in the game.. a loss of 10% is Nothing.. so how many active player's are there..?

J

[kookaburra]

For all those who keep saying that this game is FREE. Think again.

The day the flow of money ends is the same day this project comes to an end.
In my opinion, If you play, you should pay.

This isn't a matter of "I'm happy there isn't a wipe so I'll donate" or "I'm angry about recent events so I'll never donate".

This is a matter of "If you do not donate, expect the server to go away without notice."



I've decided to go over to Eve Online since some of my friends just went back there but if I come back here, (definitely will if 1.0 is ever completed) I will do my part and support the game financially for as long as I get enjoyment from it.

[Zumanity]

Wow didnt know we had so many nge whiners on here. Im guessing the 66% of the voters who said yes never played pre cu?

[Zumanity]

And you guys fail to realize even if they DID wipe, the OR server wouldnt be ready so we would just be playing on a test center all over again. That would be a waste of time and the people who worked hard for what they have would likely quit playing, therefore no more donations.

[Yhor]

And you guys fail to realize even if they DID wipe, the OR server wouldnt be ready so we would just be playing on a test center all over again. That would be a waste of time and the people who worked hard for what they have would likely quit playing, therefore no more donations.

FYI, the OR will also be a test bed, on a test server, once it is complete 'enough'. Long way to go still.

[jksdustin]

I just dont see how you can compare this with $OE. Im not trying to flame anyone. What happened here isnt even close to what $OE did.

$OE took a game we paid for, loved and scraped it for the NGE! Completely changing the game. I really dont think a wipe or no wipe really changes the game much and on top of that we dont have to pay to play!

What happened here was disappointing but crap happens.People make mistakes.Its what we do. Believe it or not,no one is perfect. Not even the EMU Team.

Remember the hate we had,(I still have),for $OE??
Can you honestly tell me you have the same hate for the EMU Team over this?? I would have to hate them that much to be able to compare the two!

But hey,thats me! Im not even a little mad over this mess,(I voted for the wipe),.It was just a mistake, it isnt the first and it sure as hell wont be the last.

Right now Im just thankful I can play/test pre-cu and have confidence the Team will do whats best for this server. I respect their decisions whether I think it to be right or wrong.

Thankx,

AlphaDawg

Good point, and I'd just like to say, just to see what they hype is about, I downloaded the trial SOE version (I left after CU), and I'd rather play this wipe or no wipe any day. I'm not even going to talk about how it went....it was worse then even i had foreseen...:emperor:

[zaphresz]

I think you should go back and read the first post in this thread. They didn't ignore your opinion. They had valid reasons for what they did, whether you agree with their decision or not.

If they wanted to ignore you, they never would have posted the polls. Why create the drama? Makes no sense.

You've got it backwards mate. If the devs had decided on a wipe without asking us then that would have been out of necessity for the development of the server or OR or whatever. But this wipe was for us, so they asked us. If you remove a president from his/ her office its out of necessity, if you hold an election it becomes a choice for the people. (sorry for the odd analogy)

What we now realize is it may cause more damage then good in the end. .

This is the only valid reason they gave, if its a reason at all.

[zaphresz]

Wow didnt know we had so many nge whiners on here. Im guessing the 66% of the voters who said yes never played pre cu?

lol

[Ashur]

Odwill, cRush, and all I don't know the name of, please always keep in mind that for every people unhappy on any given MMO forum there *always* are 10 times as much (if not even more) that are happy. Please do always always keep this in mind :)

this :)

[MarlonB]

What we now realize is it may cause more damage then good in the end.

The SWGEmu Team.

I think we should have a poll about that ;)

[Baigs]

Wow didnt know we had so many nge whiners on here. Im guessing the 66% of the voters who said yes never played pre cu?

Been playin since Pre-CU Beta2 And I voted yes so your guess is wrong.

For all those who keep saying that this game is FREE. Think again.

The day the flow of money ends is the same day this project comes to an end.

In my opinion, If you play, you should pay.



And your amount donated is?

[Encima]

Its demonotcracy.

[cidfadon]

Therefore, due to voting disparities with new accounts, adverse affect on the community of the polling process, and unaddressed issues, we are calling off the poll and the possibility of a wipe.

I dont care if the TC is wiped or not but I strongly believe if you make a poll you should stand by the poll results: 63% people agree with the wipe and 36% disagrees. Now you say you are calling off the poll, what means to me that no matter what people say, only how loud they cry.

[fixit6]

So go buy a 180dmg VK off the bazaar for 20k like most of us have been doing for a while now. Who freakin cares, its a test center.

I got this price directly off the bazaar.

Whole point of that post is that cheaters now rule TC...inflating the market to absurb levels and this, by looks of it, is perfectly acceptable. A wipe with nerfed loot tables, buffing crafted gear, and disabling certain features used for some of the duping might have been a good thing to test is all I am thinking.

[salem]

Ok guys here what will happen after the wipe:
1-The harvesters are removed so will have to sample the resources with your hands.
2-Due to the harvester's absence the mineral will be in small stock and short supply, so you will not find anyone selling them for 10cpu or like i see now.
3-The speeders drink the resources like water so no one will make it with sweet heart.
4-You wont buy speeders from the bazaar for 20k ever again, the cheapest one with be more than 50k (i prefer to sell resources in raw rather than selling speeders for 50k lol)
5-Well everything connected with the resources will fly in the air and most of us will not be able to make it.
6-Bank dispose disabled so you have to make and alt to stack your stuff, then how many character we need if the bank can carry 100 items and toon can carry 80 only (make your calculation and see it by your self).
7-The dupers, cheaters, exploiters and who ever there names is (damn them they ruining everything) will stop there activities due to the new anti hack system for while till the thing calms and most forget about them, after month or so they will regain there work and we will see a lot of stuff that shouldn't be here in the first place resurface and the auctions goes for those crazy prices again, again and again...................... it will not end till another wipe and another and another.
8-And here we go again, people will show up "WE NEED WIPE!!!!!!" another Vicious circle that wont end!!!!!.
9-The OR will retarded because of the nonsense and the things will stay in same place rather than moving forward.
So PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE guys be considering the devs decision, they haven't take it so lightly and without thinking about consequences, they have an idea in there minds i know.
"Be patient obi wan solution to this problem is here some where" Qui Gon Jinn
Sorry for my bad talk and thanks for reading.

[Luffyoo]

Lets make everything equal and give everyone a kajillion creds. :p

[Letesh]

I dont care if the TC is wiped or not but I strongly believe if you make a poll you should stand by the poll results: 63% people agree with the wipe and 36% disagrees. Now you say you are calling off the poll, what means to me that no matter what people say, only how loud they cry.

Well, If it was 63% yes, they state before hand that to wipe would require a 2/3 vote; meaning 66%. So if it was 63% to 36% there would still be no wipe...

[fixit6]

Wipe idea was shot down so really no point continuing talking about all this anyways. What's done is done.

In the end, sooner or later; exploiting will have to be addressed and not shoved under the carpet.

[cidfadon]

Well, If it was 63% yes, they state before hand that to wipe would require a 2/3 vote; meaning 66%. So if it was 63% to 36% there would still be no wipe... Yes, if they want 2/3 then is OK to don't wipe the server, but I'm quite afraid of people playing too serious a TC can be a problem for testing new things.

[Letesh]

Yes, if they want 2/3 then is OK to don't wipe the server, but I'm quite afraid of people playing too serious a TC can be a problem to testing new things.

I was trying to point out that percentages dont matter lol.

[tolshortte]

letting ppl exploit now during testing makes sense to me. its easier to find the exploits when you know where to look. besides no matter what system is in place, bugs will show up and will need to be fixed.

and personally regardless of how you feel the ppl working on this game seem to be working hard and doing what they can, this isnt SOE or Lucas Arts, give them some credit instead of complaining this free game isnt how you want it.

[badboy09]

I think we should have a poll about that ;)

then make one.

[MarlonB]

then make one.

That one completely went by you ... didn't it ...

[Ekaika]

lol...

[Harsk]

Wow, that was in true SOE form, bending to the will of the whine. I guess I am outa here.

[Jengu-fet]

Wow didnt know we had so many nge whiners on here. Im guessing the 66% of the voters who said yes never played pre cu?

So you think the whiners just showed up after the NGE? they were there pre-CU. That's how the NGE came about. ;)

[Harsk]

has a right to complain


That would be true, cept they said they were bombarded with "concerns" i.e. complaints, from other players which they actually considered and then changed their minds about the wipe. IF nobody had complained, there would be a wipe.


See what I did thare?

[Jengu-fet]

That would be true, cept they said they were bombarded with "concerns" i.e. complaints, from other players which they actually considered and then changed their minds about the wipe. IF nobody had complained, there would be a wipe.


See what I did thare?

That's why they should have reworded the original post in the poll. If they had simply asked the community for what they thought instead of saying "if yes wins we're wiping" it would have been fine.

[Harsk]

That's why they should have reworded the original post in the poll. If they had simply asked the community for what they thought instead of saying "if yes wins we're wiping" it would have been fine.

Or, just be like real people and say "Hey, wipe coming up" and not ask, because you know what happens when you let the masses decide.

[Kiora]

i have to say, i just love pages and pages of *****ing. i love it so much.

[BigEvil]

i have to say, i just love pages and pages of *****ing. i love it so much.

Ya, now that everyone has taken a nice big forum "dump," lets take a deep breath, go kill some $hit, and play.

Order 66 on the haterade. LOL
http://i42.tinypic.com/2wgxjxd.jpg

I just mastered Doc, come buy my $hitty new buffs. :) I'll be in Cnet tonight, buffing away your grief.

Pew pew!!

[cRush]

Anyone else notice that those screenshots that are supposedly evidence of a moderator "fixing" the polls actually show more votes being removed from no columns than yes columns? I don't have moderator access to the forums, so can't really see what options are available there, but the difference between the two screenshots is very minimal lol. We are talking about 2-3 votes being removed. Hardly evidence to call things a conspiracy.

As for us ignoring the community - The complete opposite is going on here. Yeah the majority said they would like a wipe, but the majority said they wanted a wipe with blue frogs.

There was a lot more behind the decision - it's not that the whining minority won out. We started thinking about the real effects the blue frogs would have, and realized offering them as a condition of the poll was a mistake.
- Players would have exploited the frogs to become Jedi faster, and it would have taken away some interdependence since everyone could become self sufficient.
- Changing the frogs to guard against these exploits meant changing the terms of condition.
- A third poll was discussed and decided against.
- We felt that if we just left TC the way it was, then it would be the best thing for both parties.

Instead we get crucified and compared to SOE. Come on people.

OR at the current rate is approximately 5 months out. But as always, Developers lives and available time can fluctuate at any given moment, changing the amount of time we have to contribute. Obviously this can drastically affect any ETA. So, yeah, if things stayed the way they had been rolling, I would say 5 months is realistic. I doubt the motivation will be there with all the lynching, but we will see.

P.S. Enjoy the new loot tables.

[Wooktherebel69]

You do not know the power of darkside! well now we do

[MarlonB]

P.S. Enjoy the new loot tables.


Let the whines begin about how unfair it is that some have all the epic weapons from the cheating and duping period now that the loot has been tuned down :)

Or did you tune up?

[Summer]

P.S. Enjoy the new loot tables.

Oh dear lord... I'm scared.

[tonkatuff]

Let the whines begin about how unfair it is that some have all the epic weapons from the cheating and duping period now that the loot has been tuned down :)

Or did you tune up?

Good thing weapons decay right?

[Arlam]

Seriously guys your killing the hand that makes the game we love.

Devs it should be a credit to you how seriously we take an incomplete test server. Thank you for your hard work. Please don't let the trolls and flaming get to you.

To those that didn't want a wipe - you win
to those that did want a wipe - you'll win when OR comes out and they wipe anyways.

[MarlonB]

Good thing weapons decay right?

Not unless they fixed that bug too ....

[Ashur]

Anyone else notice that those screenshots that are supposedly evidence of a moderator "fixing" the polls actually show more votes being removed from no columns than yes columns? I don't have moderator access to the forums, so can't really see what options are available there, but the difference between the two screenshots is very minimal lol. We are talking about 2-3 votes being removed. Hardly evidence to call things a conspiracy.

As for us ignoring the community - The complete opposite is going on here. Yeah the majority said they would like a wipe, but the majority said they wanted a wipe with blue frogs.

There was a lot more behind the decision - it's not that the whining minority won out. We started thinking about the real effects the blue frogs would have, and realized offering them as a condition of the poll was a mistake.
- Players would have exploited the frogs to become Jedi faster, and it would have taken away some interdependence since everyone could become self sufficient.
- Changing the frogs to guard against these exploits meant changing the terms of condition.
- A third poll was discussed and decided against.
- We felt that if we just left TC the way it was, then it would be the best thing for both parties.

Instead we get crucified and compared to SOE. Come on people.

OR at the current rate is approximately 5 months out. But as always, Developers lives and available time can fluctuate at any given moment, changing the amount of time we have to contribute. Obviously this can drastically affect any ETA. So, yeah, if things stayed the way they had been rolling, I would say 5 months is realistic. I doubt the motivation will be there with all the lynching, but we will see.

P.S. Enjoy the new loot tables.

Thanks for that update crush :)

new loot tables? interesting, very interesting

[Gray Mouser]

I think a large part of this result was a backlash against many YES voters' baffling sense of entitlement. There was a pretty big degree of childish foot-stamping going on for someone to wipe them.

Of course that all stopped when the developers made their prompt and incisive decision as so politely requested by the community. Nobody would be classless enough to continue pouting and whining after that.

[BigEvil]

I'm pretty happy just with new loot tables. Weapon decay would seal the deal of overwhelming joy. LOL.
CmeDoHappyDance
http://i44.tinypic.com/w2kbbb.jpg

[salem]

P.S. Enjoy the new loot tables.

I've noticed that the last night :p

[tonkatuff]

Decay is just fine. You cant go "negative" anymore from what I understand.

Its simple.

Old, uber weapons go boom on use (it might take weeks or a month or two).

Loot tables are brought more in line with where they should be (no more sentinel loot drops).

Now its a level playing field. Crafters will be usefull again as crafted items should be comparable to looted items and visa versa.

[AlphaDawg]

Anyone else notice that those screenshots that are supposedly evidence of a moderator "fixing" the polls actually show more votes being removed from no columns than yes columns? I don't have moderator access to the forums, so can't really see what options are available there, but the difference between the two screenshots is very minimal lol. We are talking about 2-3 votes being removed. Hardly evidence to call things a conspiracy.

As for us ignoring the community - The complete opposite is going on here. Yeah the majority said they would like a wipe, but the majority said they wanted a wipe with blue frogs.

There was a lot more behind the decision - it's not that the whining minority won out. We started thinking about the real effects the blue frogs would have, and realized offering them as a condition of the poll was a mistake.
- Players would have exploited the frogs to become Jedi faster, and it would have taken away some interdependence since everyone could become self sufficient.
- Changing the frogs to guard against these exploits meant changing the terms of condition.
- A third poll was discussed and decided against.
- We felt that if we just left TC the way it was, then it would be the best thing for both parties.

Instead we get crucified and compared to SOE. Come on people.

OR at the current rate is approximately 5 months out. But as always, Developers lives and available time can fluctuate at any given moment, changing the amount of time we have to contribute. Obviously this can drastically affect any ETA. So, yeah, if things stayed the way they had been rolling, I would say 5 months is realistic. I doubt the motivation will be there with all the lynching, but we will see.

P.S. Enjoy the new loot tables.

Ty.This is understandable and I respect the decisions of the Team! Hope today is a better day for all!

[Luffyoo]

Thanks Crush... I think thats all we wanted to hear. A more specific reason. Now if we can get off the devs backs and let them get on with things with our support Crush has mentioned 5 months. Thats not a fixed term but it certainly more info than we had.

[BigEvil]

Decay is just fine. You cant go "negative" anymore from what I understand.

Its simple.

Old, uber weapons go boom on use (it might take weeks or a month or two).

Loot tables are brought more in line with where they should be (no more sentinel loot drops).

Now its a level playing field. Crafters will be usefull again as crafted items should be comparable to looted items and visa versa.

This is a good thing. Make me feel warm and glowy. Not glow-bat glowy, just happy.

:)

Decay alone is a wonderful constant credit sink. No, not for uber-doopers, but thats not the point.

[Darksand]

C'mon people, the startpost clearly tells us they did not have any idea it would create this amount of hysteria. They clearly state this was not the intention. They saw this poll was deviding the community. The poll created uncertanty with the players.
All the comments made them see that a wipe wouldnt be benficial for us, it is a radical change, and as we all know, radical changed can be devestating (see CU / NGE). The moment they saw this, they Veto-ed the poll, A wise descision in my opinion.

Let us not forget what they gave / are giving us back. I fully support their descission.

[Jengu-fet]

Decay is just fine. You cant go "negative" anymore from what I understand.

Its simple.

Old, uber weapons go boom on use (it might take weeks or a month or two).

Loot tables are brought more in line with where they should be (no more sentinel loot drops).

Now its a level playing field. Crafters will be usefull again as crafted items should be comparable to looted items and visa versa.

I hope this is true. :lightsaber:

[MarlonB]

Good to hear that is fixed too ... prices will prob go through the roof on trade forums once everyone figures out :)