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panderiz 04-26-2010 11:58 AM

Even though I'm new, I'm against the wipe mainly because I see no reason to wipe characters since no exploits were done to them. Wipe the items and cash since they were already exploited.

spinx 04-26-2010 11:59 AM

no
 
i vote no there not much point if you are gona wipe it when OR comes out anyway after all its only a test

lcrouane 04-26-2010 12:00 PM

Whilst I agree it's hard for players to lose their present point in the game, I believe that when everyone signed up for an account they realised that this is a TC and as such any problems will be ironed out whilst the project is in the testing stage. How can developers implement changes when there is an outcry everytime? The TC that is supposed to be a testing vehicle for a final product morphs into a half working game that kind of does what it should but will never realise it's potential because fixes that need to be implemented cannot be done because the testing community refuses to accept the changes, which is madness.

The game is free and whilst it is I believe that players should embrace the changes and test them for the developers. That's what game testers do? If we were paying for the service then I agree that our opinions should make more difference but as it stands, we are just testing a product. I speak as both a digital product tester and a 6 year vet from SOE's version that cancelled his sub to play this. I am testing this game before live, and so is everybody here. My 2p worth. Flame away. :)

Eeslesrik 04-26-2010 12:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by panderiz (Post 588835)
Even though I'm new, I'm against the wipe mainly because I see no reason to wipe characters since no exploits were done to them. Wipe the items and cash since they were already exploited.

To all the post similar to this saying "wipe part"

In the OP it was stated that half wipes and anything in between no wipe and a full wipe was out of the question because its just a mess.

To wipe partially here's an analogy; Go into your music library (mines about 30+gb) and erase every song with A in the title and O in the album name and S in the artist name.... Its a royal pain in the arse.

Jolly 04-26-2010 12:03 PM

I vote yes. I just hope to get some more features like houses and hopefully CH can get up and running quicker.

Mawak 04-26-2010 12:03 PM

I fully agree with Icrouane. We're on a test center, wipe is an eventuality. It's the way it has to be.

Vegitaa 04-26-2010 12:07 PM

Full, complete, total nuke and pave style wipe.. I'm totally down for that.

MarlonB 04-26-2010 12:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Eeslesrik (Post 588838)
To all the post similar to this saying "wipe part"

In the OP it was stated that half wipes and anything in between no wipe and a full wipe was out of the question because its just a mess.

To wipe partially here's an analogy; Go into your music library (mines about 30+gb) and erase every song with A in the title and O in the album name and S in the artist name.... Its a royal pain in the arse.

If you would do it manually .... computers can do it for you though :)
A bit of databases and sql ...


Removing items and cash sound easier to me then reading all the complaints on the forums ;)

carlossanchez1980 04-26-2010 12:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jolly (Post 588839)
I vote yes. I just hope to get some more features like houses and hopefully CH can get up and running quicker.

That's why this tread need to be rebuilt when devs stablish the base of the real changes and "Bold" the real changes, because a lot of people vote without having sense of what they're doing.

bluree 04-26-2010 12:09 PM

A wipe now would be pointless.

Why waste time with revising Jedi and fixing loot tables when the majority of the code is dead and won't be used in the OR?

The community keeps petitioning for things that they want and isn't needed. Ignore them and stick to the dev teams initial goals.

Dragolith 04-26-2010 12:09 PM

I also support Item wipe only because of alot of the weapons that have been sliced more times then they shoulda been and OP BH's with stupid dots. One issue i see if they wipe all items is how are Jedi gonna survive? Let us keep atleast 1 saber?
But if they do wipe they need to LEAVE Jedi:lightsaber: as OP as they were in Pre-CU not this blatant crap they are now which is a mere sham of there former selfs.
And they make Creature handler a actual proff. Because i know a few like myself who would love to have CH back in the game.

Vanz 04-26-2010 12:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Crazyduck (Post 588801)
Wipe it:
1.)It's a test center, more for experimental purposes than just for fun.
2.)It will be nice to start on equal footing when the OR comes out

I think bringing new things to the test center without wiping it will cause us to miss more problems if not cause more problems...

Agreed. Everyone knows this server isn't permanent / long term. A wipe should be done to help further the progress of the emulator. A wipe for the sake of a wipe, or a wipe for the sake of making some crying nubs happy doesn't solve anything, not does it further the progress of the community.

The devs should do whats best given the circumstances. Only they know if they've created fixes for dupes and what not. A wipe without fixes means we'll end up right back at the same spot. (Thus making a wipe pointless!) I'll leave it up to them to make the right decision.

Vegitaa 04-26-2010 12:10 PM

The post clearly says "We will NOT consider any partial deletes because they would just cause big problems."

Adler1984 04-26-2010 12:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jolly (Post 588839)
I vote yes. I just hope to get some more features like houses and hopefully CH can get up and running quicker.

These items were not stated, and the code for the TC server is old code compared to what's being used in the OR. CH will not "come quicker" from this. I wish people would read the whole message and realize that all this does is really provide a short term economic fix for the duping and tosses out "possible" crafted/looted items being more even, and the Jedi unlock being a mystery as added side-bonuses. This will NOT bring any other changes other than what's stated as the OR code is the priority and the devs are tossing this option at us as something to consider.

shnibitdohget 04-26-2010 12:12 PM

I'd prefer no wipe but...

If it would genuinely help the testing and development process, I'd be fine with it.

If it is to appease some whiners, then please don't.

Kainzo 04-26-2010 12:13 PM

I vote for a re-vote with all things explained BEFORE voting. It was voting blind for the first 300 votes on this, and now after knowing theres no partial wipe whatsoever possible im sure would want to change their mind.

Not to mention there is no third option. Bi-partisan systems suck.

Kufu 04-26-2010 12:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Adler1984 (Post 588584)
I must say that something telling for me...is that a large number of "wipe" advocates not only have caveats but also are advocating "fast easy ways to master a profession" (i.e. blue frogs) "just to start". Yet after a bit of time we know the frogs would go away, thus screwing over anyone who came after the frog time. I almost have to wonder if a main motivation some people's desire for a wipe is to be able to GET the blue frogs so they don't have to grind to get a profession, thus being all "set up" with minimal effort to become the next "uberleets" on the server. Hmmmm...

Granted, this isn't an accusation or anything, just noticing an interesting correlation between those who are wanting the wipe and those advocating blue frogs.

No for most of us that want frogs it isn't about having 30 full temp toons. It;s about getting back what we are going to lose without having to spend hours and hours to do it. Even with a frog my toons that are mastered will still be the same as they are now. We are not looking for items only skills. It's a middle ground opton.

We ged ride of all the duped items/credits and bring some sort of balance back however short lived it will be none of us know, and get a few new features. I for one still would rather not have this wipe right now, but if it's comming then please consider the frogs as an option and get the wipe done, because like a lot of people i have no desire to do crap right now just to have it all undone in a couple days.

Kufu 04-26-2010 12:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Adler1984 (Post 588584)
I must say that something telling for me...is that a large number of "wipe" advocates not only have caveats but also are advocating "fast easy ways to master a profession" (i.e. blue frogs) "just to start". Yet after a bit of time we know the frogs would go away, thus screwing over anyone who came after the frog time. I almost have to wonder if a main motivation some people's desire for a wipe is to be able to GET the blue frogs so they don't have to grind to get a profession, thus being all "set up" with minimal effort to become the next "uberleets" on the server. Hmmmm...

Granted, this isn't an accusation or anything, just noticing an interesting correlation between those who are wanting the wipe and those advocating blue frogs.

No for most of us that want frogs it isn't about having 30 full temp toons. It;s about getting back what we are going to lose without having to spend hours and hours to do it. Even with a frog my toons that are mastered will still be the same as they are now. We are not looking for items only skills. It's a middle ground opton.

We get ride of all the duped items/credits and bring some sort of balance back however short lived it will be none of us know, and get a few new features. I for one still would rather not have this wipe right now, but if it's comming then please consider the frogs as an option and get the wipe done, because like a lot of people i have no desire to do crap right now just to have it all undone in a couple days.

darnoc 04-26-2010 12:17 PM

Wipe with no frogs, test that

Adler1984 04-26-2010 12:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kufu (Post 588857)
No for most of us that want frogs it isn't about having 30 full temp toons. It;s about getting back what we are going to lose without having to spend hours and hours to do it. Even with a frog my toons that are mastered will still be the same as they are now. We are not looking for items only skills. It's a middle ground opton.

We ged ride of all the duped items/credits and bring some sort of balance back however short lived it will be none of us know, and get a few new features. I for one still would rather not have this wipe right now, but if it's comming then please consider the frogs as an option and get the wipe done, because like a lot of people i have no desire to do crap right now just to have it all undone in a couple days.


I understand the sentiment on the frogs, but the question is, how long do they stay up, when do they get removed, can all chars or just one use them, etc...?
Too many unexplained variables overall in this whole proposal, hence me saying try using this as a test vote to see what the interest level is, then put together all the information and have an official vote with ALL the info in place.


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