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Kyle 06-05-2008 05:05 PM

Divided we fail. The future of Pre-CU
 
I think it goes without saying that there has been more than enough unnecessary drama surrounding this project. Officially, the SWGEmu team has grown out of the unprofessional practices of the past, and has no desire to bring up, contribute to, or create new drama, which brings us to the purpose of this post.

Over the last few years, the community has fractured and splintered into groups of people heading down different paths but all in the same general direction. Our aim is to put the past, in the past, and work toward a better and more unified community. Pre-CU will take much longer than is desired without us having a common goal. We want to thank Lordcorm for first voicing the sentiments of hope for unity that many of us share. The members of the team here at SWGEmu unanimously support a united community for the development of the SWG Pre-CU MMORPG.

We would like the entire SWG emulation community to know that the SWGEmu team is wiping the slate clean. We strive to have no more grudges, no more enemies, and no more juvenile affairs. If we have wronged you, please accept our apologies. If you have wronged us, please accept our forgiveness. Furthermore, even if you were, are, or think you might be, an "enemy", we extend an olive branch to anyone who wants to be a part of a unified effort for Pre-CU.

As a result of the fracturing, we see many trends that take away from the productivity we could share as a united community. For example, the fact that ideas and research are pooled on every individual server community forum instead of being shared in a central location. One single place is needed where the ideas and research can actually be more than just conjecture by involving the entire community at once. Professions are discussed and debated everywhere, but implementations can not be made possible if the people creating the technology are not part of the discussion. Individuals are reinventing the wheel three fold because of proprietary documentation and isolationist views. People seem content to just sit in their communities and just wait for someone to bring something to them rather than being part of the driving force. There is strength and knowledge in numbers and no single person knows 100% of the Pre-CU, so it is in the best interests of the SWG Pre-CU MMORPG to bring everything into a united community.

The benefits of unification toward a common goal are quite simple. While people are hoarding resources forcing others to cover the same ground, development is slowed. If everyone becomes a contributing member pushing for one purpose, united in a belief that everyone wants an accurate, stable, and supported server package, then all the small victories for individuals and groups can be combined into large victories for the SWG Pre-CU MMORPG.

At this point, believing that there is still a "contest" to get the first or best server is a waste of time and resources. We should be working together with one purpose and together showing the gaming world what they think is impossible can be achieved by a unified community. The SWG Pre-CU MMORPG free emulator can become a major player in the commercial MMO world with the support of everybody.

Many of you may wonder why we have a closed source engine. It is simply because Engine 3 is destined for great things. The Star Wars Galaxies emulation project, while personally important to each of us, is the first step in what will be a long an prosperous path for the engine. Each of the developers working on Engine 3 have a burning passion for Pre-CU, and for the gaming community. The Star Wars Galaxies emulator gets the unique distinction of being Engine 3's rise to fame. What does this mean for the community at hand? We are not content with the mediocre, and are here for the long haul.

If you are and individual or a group who have had conflicts in the past, and want to talk about cooperation, please contact. Seaseme, Kyle, Smusatto, or Ramsey via IRC (irc.swgemu.com:6667) or forums.

Thank you,
The New and Improved SWGEmu team

Andewa 06-05-2008 05:08 PM

This is epic. Amazing.

Valkyra 06-05-2008 05:09 PM

This was an overall great post. Thank you for posting this Kyle, I think everyone should deeply take this to heart and consider it. If we want Pre-CU we cannot be divided.


Oh and SECOND!!


(Sorry couldn't resist it.)

Sti1garWormrider 06-05-2008 05:09 PM

here! here!@

bean89032 06-05-2008 05:12 PM

About time someone said what most if not all of us were thinking, Awesome post kyle, /kowtow.

merde 06-05-2008 05:18 PM

very cool

Uli 06-05-2008 05:20 PM

Great post Kyle, just wish it was ya 600th lol u were just 1 off :P

MrBlonde 06-05-2008 05:21 PM

I completely agree that people seem content to just sit in their communities and just wait for someone to bring something to them rather than being part of the driving force.

Hopefully this will encourage people to participate around here more instead of just posting in the off-topic forum.

I hope to see everyone in the Profession forums soon. :)

Keep up the great work team, you have a supporter in me.

Anima Rytak 06-05-2008 05:23 PM

Ha, this makes me wanna become active again.

/kudos

nostyleguy 06-05-2008 05:23 PM

i definitely agree with the gesture of this post, and sincerely hope things change for the better. that being said, i think the 'splintered community' is largely a result of SWGEmu's uncertainty about hosting a server. Nobody wants to put a ton of effort into supporting a unified community because as soon as the Emu is finished, the community will break up into different servers again. Nobody wants to make real efforts to develop new content because the Emu team's answer is always "it will depend what serer you're on". I think a unified community is of vital importance, but i think the community needs to know there will be solid ground to land on before they take a leap of faith. No disrespect meant; just a hypothesis as to why the community is the way it is.

Rauce 06-05-2008 05:30 PM

Unite, and speed it up!

togno 06-05-2008 05:32 PM

does this mean zenophile may come back:)

SethonC. 06-05-2008 05:32 PM

It's so great to see the entire team maturing.

Quote:

Originally Posted by togno
does this mean zenophile may come back:)

Honestly, that'd be just epic. Think of how fast progress would be made with yet another developer coming back?

Audune 06-05-2008 05:37 PM

/vader
Impressive....Most impressive
/vader

I always wondered whether or not I'd been tagged "Enemy" by the emu group...but meh, *takes olive stick anyways*

I've always found any group amazingly interesting for having the brains to be able to pull of what everyone has done. My only regret was having to break ties with some of my best friends, who've I've met in real life and gamed with each other and fragged others with. Great times at PDXLan.

Anyways....yeah, i'm not going all weepy on you all, just good luck. And I'll be poking my head in more and more.

Lordcorm 06-05-2008 05:42 PM

Olive branch accepted. :)

"Good, good, everything has gone as i have foreseen it..." :emperor:

:p

merryxmas 06-05-2008 05:45 PM

Divided we fail. Yes, that is true.

Now why doesn't SWGEmu forget the past and team up with SWGANH?

bean89032 06-05-2008 05:50 PM

All in good time. im sure that once some of there devs see this theyll come and post something here or send them a pm

Smusatto 06-05-2008 05:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by merryxmas (Post 196167)
Divided we fail. Yes, that is true.

Now why doesn't SWGEmu forget the past and team up with SWGANH?

I hope you read more than the title of the post...

It's good to finally see this posted. We worked hard on this post to make sure we handled it the best we could. I look forward to hearing from some of the devs on the other teams about this. Feel free to PM me here or on IRC. If I don't respond on IRC, check for Smusatto|atwork too.

merryxmas 06-05-2008 05:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bean89032 (Post 196168)
All in good time. im sure that once some of there devs see this theyll come and post something here or send them a pm

They have to and I mean all hands out no matter if it looks like they're begging. It's crutical SWGEmu teams up with SWGANH.

I loved precu with all my heart yet sadly I don't think there will be anything there for swg in a year.

Seaseme 06-05-2008 05:58 PM

did you read the post?

Serifin 06-05-2008 06:01 PM

Seeing the community evolve and mature over time is a great thing.

This is a truly great post, and I really look forward to seeing what it may bring :)

Lordcorm 06-05-2008 06:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by merryxmas (Post 196170)
They have to and I mean all hands out no matter if it looks like they're begging. It's crutical SWGEmu teams up with SWGANH.

I loved precu with all my heart yet sadly I don't think there will be anything there for swg in a year.

Im sorry to say, ANH will not be cooperative with a merge. They made it clear to me when i was on their team, and since it went against my unification document, i decided to quit.

It was pretty relieving though, when i found out about 30 minutes after i quite, this was going up. :)

merryxmas 06-05-2008 06:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Seaseme (Post 196172)
did you read the post?

Yes, I've been watching this emulator go on for years and this reminds me of the time Ramsey took out the Splam forums and told us things were going to change. 3 years later and I thought I would be playing precu already.

Enough is Enough.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lordcorm (Post 196175)
Im sorry to say, ANH will not be cooperative with a merge. They made it clear to me when i was on their team, and since it went against my unification document, i decided to quit.

It was pretty relieving though, when i found out about 30 minutes after i quite, this was going up. :)

Reach out to them. I know those guys. Reach out and tell them enough is enough.

Ekowraith 06-05-2008 06:04 PM

What are we doing to accomplish unification?

Seaseme 06-05-2008 06:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ekowraith (Post 196177)
What are we doing to accomplish unification?

writing a shiny document and hoping they read it and come to their senses.

Profit 06-05-2008 06:13 PM

Never thought I would see the day, this could prove interesting.

*grabs popcorn*

Hope everything works out for the best, always. Imagine what all the EMU teams coming together could accomplish.

merryxmas 06-05-2008 06:17 PM

Never thought I would see the day, this could prove interesting.

*grabs popcorn*

Hope everything works out for the best, always. Imagine what all the EMU coming together could accomplish.

Lordcorm 06-05-2008 06:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by merryxmas (Post 196183)
So you're saying we have to write SWGANH a document. No, no. The SWGEmu community has been very loyal even when the split of mods went to SWGANH.

You guys need to fix this situation. Us writing a letter would do no good.

...., you did not read the post.....

Kyle 06-05-2008 06:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by merryxmas (Post 196183)
So you're saying we have to write SWGANH a document. No, no. The SWGEmy community has been very loyal even when the split of mods went to SWGANH.

You guys need to fix this situation. Us writing a letter would do no good.

You have no idea what is going on, so please stop carrying on like you do. We have approached them. I talked to one of their staff personally, and have not gotten a response either way for 3 weeks. Everything has been done on our end. The only thing that can be done, is for them to answer. So, if you know them as well as you claim, then you talk to them, because they don't listen to us. The ball is in their court. Please don't post more pointless banter about this.

Kateb Ibliss 06-05-2008 06:25 PM

Nice work Devs.

Yet another step in the right direction.

merryxmas 06-05-2008 06:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kyle (Post 196187)
You have no idea what is going on, so please stop carrying on like you do. We have approached them. I talked to one of their staff personally, and have not gotten a response either way for 3 weeks. Everything has been done on our end. The only thing that can be done, is for them to answer. So, if you know them as well as you claim, then you talk to them, because they don't listen to us. The ball is in their court. Please don't post more pointless banter about this.

If they're such stiffs then why did I get their approval to make a common ground forums for the SWGANH people and the SWGEmu people so they interact under one roof.

I'll see what I can do. If much at all, but damn I'm trying. Right now though I need your word to me you won't team up with them just to steal their source code.

Kyle 06-05-2008 06:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by merryxmas (Post 196192)
If they're such stiffs then why did I get their approval to make a common ground forums for the SWGANH people and the SWGEmu people so they interact under one roof.

Seriously stop talking to us, and talk to them. We have done everything we can. I will start deleting further posts on this subject if it continues.

denerictkm 06-05-2008 06:39 PM

Why do I feel xmas's power is all in his head...

Halifax 06-05-2008 06:45 PM

Good Post Kyle.

Kellina 06-05-2008 06:45 PM

Sweet, Exciting News!

Vasheir 06-05-2008 06:59 PM

Amen
 
Let it be as you have said.

Tonedus 06-05-2008 07:00 PM

I dont post that often, but thats a class post Kyle.

/bow

Klanagh 06-05-2008 07:04 PM

It's good to read that SWGEmu doesn't recognize a contest to be the first emulator out. That would have the wrong goal in mind.

All the Dev's on the various projects seem to be talented, dedicated individuals who want to bring Pre-CU back to gamers like me and themselves. And also to prove to SOE, and the MMORPG market in general, that retail game companies can't just completely change an online game years into it and expect people to take it.

This emulation project has a large community, an open test center, many contributing members, and a definite end goal in mind: a stable Pre-CU experience. I would further encourage Dev's of other teams to unite here and synchronize their efforts for the entire community.

In my mind, it's not about who wins first, but rather about what's best for the whole Pre-CU community. Thank you to all who are working here with that aim in mind.

Burzum 06-05-2008 07:08 PM

Great Post. I hope everyone interested in playing pre-cu again will follow your example Kyle.
It has been several years since pre-cu went away and the total number of people remembering and still wanting to play it has probably been reduced quite a bit. We need everyone to work together to make it happen! and on another note i dont get why people want to make a bunch of diffrent servers, when obviously the game would benefit greately from having everyone on one big server. I do realize this doesnt have anything to do with developement of the emu at this time.. but in my ideal world everyone interested in pre-cu would be on this site helping to develop, and when finnished join forces to create the best swg server of all time.

Zar 06-05-2008 07:13 PM

Wow, I must say SWGEmu team, you've show great maturity here and well, all i can say is im honored to be part of your community. You've made a big step, and hopefuly it'll tie the loose ends, maybe not today, maybe not next month, but hopefuly someday. Sony Online Entertainment's biggest mistake was severing themselves from their community, it is true Devided we fail. All i can say is i hope for the best, for the team, for the community, and for SWGEmu as a whole.


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