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Letesh 04-28-2010 07:08 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cidfadon (Post 592845)
Yes, if they want 2/3 then is OK to don't wipe the server, but I'm quite afraid of people playing too serious a TC can be a problem to testing new things.

I was trying to point out that percentages dont matter lol.

tolshortte 04-28-2010 07:15 AM

letting ppl exploit now during testing makes sense to me. its easier to find the exploits when you know where to look. besides no matter what system is in place, bugs will show up and will need to be fixed.

and personally regardless of how you feel the ppl working on this game seem to be working hard and doing what they can, this isnt SOE or Lucas Arts, give them some credit instead of complaining this free game isnt how you want it.

badboy09 04-28-2010 07:16 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MarlonB (Post 592768)
I think we should have a poll about that ;)

then make one.

MarlonB 04-28-2010 07:19 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by badboy09 (Post 592855)
then make one.

That one completely went by you ... didn't it ...

Ekaika 04-28-2010 07:35 AM

lol...

Harsk 04-28-2010 07:57 AM

Wow, that was in true SOE form, bending to the will of the whine. I guess I am outa here.

Jengu-fet 04-28-2010 08:00 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Zumanity (Post 592746)
Wow didnt know we had so many nge whiners on here. Im guessing the 66% of the voters who said yes never played pre cu?

So you think the whiners just showed up after the NGE? they were there pre-CU. That's how the NGE came about. ;)

Harsk 04-28-2010 08:02 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Letesh (Post 592726)
has a right to complain


That would be true, cept they said they were bombarded with "concerns" i.e. complaints, from other players which they actually considered and then changed their minds about the wipe. IF nobody had complained, there would be a wipe.


See what I did thare?

Jengu-fet 04-28-2010 08:04 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Harsk (Post 592891)
That would be true, cept they said they were bombarded with "concerns" i.e. complaints, from other players which they actually considered and then changed their minds about the wipe. IF nobody had complained, there would be a wipe.


See what I did thare?

That's why they should have reworded the original post in the poll. If they had simply asked the community for what they thought instead of saying "if yes wins we're wiping" it would have been fine.

Harsk 04-28-2010 08:06 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jengu-fet (Post 592893)
That's why they should have reworded the original post in the poll. If they had simply asked the community for what they thought instead of saying "if yes wins we're wiping" it would have been fine.

Or, just be like real people and say "Hey, wipe coming up" and not ask, because you know what happens when you let the masses decide.

Kiora 04-28-2010 08:23 AM

i have to say, i just love pages and pages of *****ing. i love it so much.

BigEvil 04-28-2010 08:30 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kiora (Post 592910)
i have to say, i just love pages and pages of *****ing. i love it so much.

Ya, now that everyone has taken a nice big forum "dump," lets take a deep breath, go kill some $hit, and play.

Order 66 on the haterade. LOL
http://i42.tinypic.com/2wgxjxd.jpg

I just mastered Doc, come buy my $hitty new buffs. :) I'll be in Cnet tonight, buffing away your grief.

Pew pew!!

cRush 04-28-2010 08:33 AM

Anyone else notice that those screenshots that are supposedly evidence of a moderator "fixing" the polls actually show more votes being removed from no columns than yes columns? I don't have moderator access to the forums, so can't really see what options are available there, but the difference between the two screenshots is very minimal lol. We are talking about 2-3 votes being removed. Hardly evidence to call things a conspiracy.

As for us ignoring the community - The complete opposite is going on here. Yeah the majority said they would like a wipe, but the majority said they wanted a wipe with blue frogs.

There was a lot more behind the decision - it's not that the whining minority won out. We started thinking about the real effects the blue frogs would have, and realized offering them as a condition of the poll was a mistake.
- Players would have exploited the frogs to become Jedi faster, and it would have taken away some interdependence since everyone could become self sufficient.
- Changing the frogs to guard against these exploits meant changing the terms of condition.
- A third poll was discussed and decided against.
- We felt that if we just left TC the way it was, then it would be the best thing for both parties.

Instead we get crucified and compared to SOE. Come on people.

OR at the current rate is approximately 5 months out. But as always, Developers lives and available time can fluctuate at any given moment, changing the amount of time we have to contribute. Obviously this can drastically affect any ETA. So, yeah, if things stayed the way they had been rolling, I would say 5 months is realistic. I doubt the motivation will be there with all the lynching, but we will see.

P.S. Enjoy the new loot tables.

Wooktherebel69 04-28-2010 08:33 AM

You do not know the power of darkside! well now we do

MarlonB 04-28-2010 08:54 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cRush (Post 592923)
P.S. Enjoy the new loot tables.


Let the whines begin about how unfair it is that some have all the epic weapons from the cheating and duping period now that the loot has been tuned down :)

Or did you tune up?

Summer 04-28-2010 08:56 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cRush (Post 592923)
P.S. Enjoy the new loot tables.

Oh dear lord... I'm scared.

tonkatuff 04-28-2010 08:58 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MarlonB (Post 592947)
Let the whines begin about how unfair it is that some have all the epic weapons from the cheating and duping period now that the loot has been tuned down :)

Or did you tune up?

Good thing weapons decay right?

Arlam 04-28-2010 09:02 AM

Seriously guys your killing the hand that makes the game we love.

Devs it should be a credit to you how seriously we take an incomplete test server. Thank you for your hard work. Please don't let the trolls and flaming get to you.

To those that didn't want a wipe - you win
to those that did want a wipe - you'll win when OR comes out and they wipe anyways.

MarlonB 04-28-2010 09:04 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tonkatuff (Post 592951)
Good thing weapons decay right?

Not unless they fixed that bug too ....

Ashur 04-28-2010 09:09 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cRush (Post 592923)
Anyone else notice that those screenshots that are supposedly evidence of a moderator "fixing" the polls actually show more votes being removed from no columns than yes columns? I don't have moderator access to the forums, so can't really see what options are available there, but the difference between the two screenshots is very minimal lol. We are talking about 2-3 votes being removed. Hardly evidence to call things a conspiracy.

As for us ignoring the community - The complete opposite is going on here. Yeah the majority said they would like a wipe, but the majority said they wanted a wipe with blue frogs.

There was a lot more behind the decision - it's not that the whining minority won out. We started thinking about the real effects the blue frogs would have, and realized offering them as a condition of the poll was a mistake.
- Players would have exploited the frogs to become Jedi faster, and it would have taken away some interdependence since everyone could become self sufficient.
- Changing the frogs to guard against these exploits meant changing the terms of condition.
- A third poll was discussed and decided against.
- We felt that if we just left TC the way it was, then it would be the best thing for both parties.

Instead we get crucified and compared to SOE. Come on people.

OR at the current rate is approximately 5 months out. But as always, Developers lives and available time can fluctuate at any given moment, changing the amount of time we have to contribute. Obviously this can drastically affect any ETA. So, yeah, if things stayed the way they had been rolling, I would say 5 months is realistic. I doubt the motivation will be there with all the lynching, but we will see.

P.S. Enjoy the new loot tables.

Thanks for that update crush :)

new loot tables? interesting, very interesting

Gray Mouser 04-28-2010 09:09 AM

I think a large part of this result was a backlash against many YES voters' baffling sense of entitlement. There was a pretty big degree of childish foot-stamping going on for someone to wipe them.

Of course that all stopped when the developers made their prompt and incisive decision as so politely requested by the community. Nobody would be classless enough to continue pouting and whining after that.

BigEvil 04-28-2010 09:28 AM

I'm pretty happy just with new loot tables. Weapon decay would seal the deal of overwhelming joy. LOL.
CmeDoHappyDance
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salem 04-28-2010 09:33 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cRush (Post 592923)
P.S. Enjoy the new loot tables.

I've noticed that the last night :p

tonkatuff 04-28-2010 09:34 AM

Decay is just fine. You cant go "negative" anymore from what I understand.

Its simple.

Old, uber weapons go boom on use (it might take weeks or a month or two).

Loot tables are brought more in line with where they should be (no more sentinel loot drops).

Now its a level playing field. Crafters will be usefull again as crafted items should be comparable to looted items and visa versa.

AlphaDawg 04-28-2010 09:36 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cRush (Post 592923)
Anyone else notice that those screenshots that are supposedly evidence of a moderator "fixing" the polls actually show more votes being removed from no columns than yes columns? I don't have moderator access to the forums, so can't really see what options are available there, but the difference between the two screenshots is very minimal lol. We are talking about 2-3 votes being removed. Hardly evidence to call things a conspiracy.

As for us ignoring the community - The complete opposite is going on here. Yeah the majority said they would like a wipe, but the majority said they wanted a wipe with blue frogs.

There was a lot more behind the decision - it's not that the whining minority won out. We started thinking about the real effects the blue frogs would have, and realized offering them as a condition of the poll was a mistake.
- Players would have exploited the frogs to become Jedi faster, and it would have taken away some interdependence since everyone could become self sufficient.
- Changing the frogs to guard against these exploits meant changing the terms of condition.
- A third poll was discussed and decided against.
- We felt that if we just left TC the way it was, then it would be the best thing for both parties.

Instead we get crucified and compared to SOE. Come on people.

OR at the current rate is approximately 5 months out. But as always, Developers lives and available time can fluctuate at any given moment, changing the amount of time we have to contribute. Obviously this can drastically affect any ETA. So, yeah, if things stayed the way they had been rolling, I would say 5 months is realistic. I doubt the motivation will be there with all the lynching, but we will see.

P.S. Enjoy the new loot tables.

Ty.This is understandable and I respect the decisions of the Team! Hope today is a better day for all!

Luffyoo 04-28-2010 09:37 AM

Thanks Crush... I think thats all we wanted to hear. A more specific reason. Now if we can get off the devs backs and let them get on with things with our support Crush has mentioned 5 months. Thats not a fixed term but it certainly more info than we had.

BigEvil 04-28-2010 09:37 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tonkatuff (Post 593001)
Decay is just fine. You cant go "negative" anymore from what I understand.

Its simple.

Old, uber weapons go boom on use (it might take weeks or a month or two).

Loot tables are brought more in line with where they should be (no more sentinel loot drops).

Now its a level playing field. Crafters will be usefull again as crafted items should be comparable to looted items and visa versa.

This is a good thing. Make me feel warm and glowy. Not glow-bat glowy, just happy.

:)

Decay alone is a wonderful constant credit sink. No, not for uber-doopers, but thats not the point.

Darksand 04-28-2010 09:37 AM

C'mon people, the startpost clearly tells us they did not have any idea it would create this amount of hysteria. They clearly state this was not the intention. They saw this poll was deviding the community. The poll created uncertanty with the players.
All the comments made them see that a wipe wouldnt be benficial for us, it is a radical change, and as we all know, radical changed can be devestating (see CU / NGE). The moment they saw this, they Veto-ed the poll, A wise descision in my opinion.

Let us not forget what they gave / are giving us back. I fully support their descission.

Jengu-fet 04-28-2010 09:38 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tonkatuff (Post 593001)
Decay is just fine. You cant go "negative" anymore from what I understand.

Its simple.

Old, uber weapons go boom on use (it might take weeks or a month or two).

Loot tables are brought more in line with where they should be (no more sentinel loot drops).

Now its a level playing field. Crafters will be usefull again as crafted items should be comparable to looted items and visa versa.

I hope this is true. :lightsaber:

MarlonB 04-28-2010 09:44 AM

Good to hear that is fixed too ... prices will prob go through the roof on trade forums once everyone figures out :)

Mecho 04-28-2010 09:48 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cRush (Post 592923)
Anyone else notice that those screenshots that are supposedly evidence of a moderator "fixing" the polls actually show more votes being removed from no columns than yes columns? I don't have moderator access to the forums, so can't really see what options are available there, but the difference between the two screenshots is very minimal lol. We are talking about 2-3 votes being removed. Hardly evidence to call things a conspiracy.

As for us ignoring the community - The complete opposite is going on here. Yeah the majority said they would like a wipe, but the majority said they wanted a wipe with blue frogs.

There was a lot more behind the decision - it's not that the whining minority won out. We started thinking about the real effects the blue frogs would have, and realized offering them as a condition of the poll was a mistake.
- Players would have exploited the frogs to become Jedi faster, and it would have taken away some interdependence since everyone could become self sufficient.
- Changing the frogs to guard against these exploits meant changing the terms of condition.
- A third poll was discussed and decided against.
- We felt that if we just left TC the way it was, then it would be the best thing for both parties.

Instead we get crucified and compared to SOE. Come on people.

OR at the current rate is approximately 5 months out. But as always, Developers lives and available time can fluctuate at any given moment, changing the amount of time we have to contribute. Obviously this can drastically affect any ETA. So, yeah, if things stayed the way they had been rolling, I would say 5 months is realistic. I doubt the motivation will be there with all the lynching, but we will see.

P.S. Enjoy the new loot tables.

Just a big thank you from me and my friends for remaining positive. One day we will play pre-cu SWG again and trust me many many people will be very gratefull!

tonkatuff 04-28-2010 09:48 AM

Its really simple.

The blue frogs cause A LOT of issues and do more harm than good. The "final" poll should have had 3-4 options.

Option 1 - I am for a wipe

Option 2 - I am against a wipe

Option 3 - I do not care one way or the other


It should have been explained in further detail.

Option 1

A wipe would be all inclusive. The servers would be brought back up , no blue frogs, with a new but similar jedi unlock system. Loot tables will be fixed to be more like the original version (no lvl 3522 sentinels). Crafters will be useful again.

Option 2

Servers wont be wiped, but we will fix the loot tables, delete all credits and items.

Option 3

No need for explaination.

Sure the above could be worded by a professional, but thats the choices that should be given. No wipe of anything at all = players will slowly quit playing and their goes the testing and community built up. When the OR hits, the community will have little trust because people's word isnt kept.

Thats how I see it playing out if something isnt done, which quite frankly, dont think it will be. Thats the developers progavtive though. Everyone does need to remember that they owe us NOTHING.

Vlada 04-28-2010 09:58 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ekaika (Post 592863)
lol...

There you are. I was wondering when you are gonna show up.

CrackPipe2011 04-28-2010 10:01 AM

cRush could we get an official announcement post telling us about the new loot tables? I'm interested.

tonkatuff 04-28-2010 10:03 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CrackPipe2011 (Post 593048)
cRush could we get an official announcement post telling us about the new loot tables? I'm interested.

Crack man, some people do work lol. These developers do have jobs for the most part lol.

Jengu-fet 04-28-2010 10:04 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CrackPipe2011 (Post 593048)
cRush could we get an official announcement post telling us about the new loot tables? I'm interested.

And it would be good to get something official about the decay also.

CrackPipe2011 04-28-2010 10:08 AM

Or an update on LPE. I'm very curious

Kainzo 04-28-2010 10:11 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cRush (Post 592923)
Anyone else notice that those screenshots that are supposedly evidence of a moderator "fixing" the polls actually show more votes being removed from no columns than yes columns? I don't have moderator access to the forums, so can't really see what options are available there, but the difference between the two screenshots is very minimal lol. We are talking about 2-3 votes being removed. Hardly evidence to call things a conspiracy.

As for us ignoring the community - The complete opposite is going on here. Yeah the majority said they would like a wipe, but the majority said they wanted a wipe with blue frogs.

There was a lot more behind the decision - it's not that the whining minority won out. We started thinking about the real effects the blue frogs would have, and realized offering them as a condition of the poll was a mistake.
- Players would have exploited the frogs to become Jedi faster, and it would have taken away some interdependence since everyone could become self sufficient.
- Changing the frogs to guard against these exploits meant changing the terms of condition.
- A third poll was discussed and decided against.
- We felt that if we just left TC the way it was, then it would be the best thing for both parties.

Instead we get crucified and compared to SOE. Come on people.

OR at the current rate is approximately 5 months out. But as always, Developers lives and available time can fluctuate at any given moment, changing the amount of time we have to contribute. Obviously this can drastically affect any ETA. So, yeah, if things stayed the way they had been rolling, I would say 5 months is realistic. I doubt the motivation will be there with all the lynching, but we will see.

P.S. Enjoy the new loot tables.

Thanks for the update, cRush. Don't let the haters get you down. It was a brave statement to release an estimate on the arrival of OR, one that I think you didn't have to do.

Anyone who honestly doesn't appreciate the hard work the developers and staff puts into this game, really shouldn't be here and should go find another free based MMO and stop bothering the people who actually enjoy JUST playing the game.

MiniMe 04-28-2010 10:13 AM

I still think you are well within your bounds and rights as developers to do what needs to be done for a better end-result. Whatever that is, I support you.

PS any reason i'm getting a,

"Bad Password: Either you have mistyped your password or this account is already in use." message? My husband gets it also on his computer when he tried to log on just now.

cru jodo 04-28-2010 10:15 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cRush (Post 592923)
P.S. Enjoy the new loot tables.

cRush, i love you man, but loot is out, Duping is the new loot table.


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