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quadkidd02 04-27-2010 05:12 PM

edited for space...

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fel (Post 591414)
...but honestly decisions like this should require an overwhelming majority and bottom line...

8.12%+
10.38%+
14.54%=
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33.04% that voted for no (before poll "close")

22.72%+
44.23%( I could stop there...yes w/frogs is already more...before poll "close")=
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66.95% that voted for yes, more than double the no crowd (before poll "close")


8.00%+
10.23%+
15.40%=
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33.63% that voted for no (after poll "close")

22.45%+
43.91%(again, I could stop right there...)=
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66.36%that voted for yes (after poll "close")

hmm....math prevails over the "no wipe" decision.

Deus In Machina 04-27-2010 05:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by odwill (Post 591118)
Hello again EMU community.

The past few days have been crazy around here. We took this polling endeavor seriously and we were hoping for a better outcome. However, the team has been bombarded with concerns and questions by the community over the wipe poll and the possible outcomes. Therefore, due to voting disparities with new accounts, adverse affect on the community of the polling process, and unaddressed issues, we are calling off the poll and the possibility of a wipe. We will stick to the original statement and wipe for the OR when the time comes. As always, we are committed to providing you all with a solid community and game environment. We thought that holding this poll would give the community a voice and a chance at a little more participation.

What we now realize is it may cause more damage then good in the end. To our entire community, we are sorry if this poll in any way affected you adversely, and we will assure you that a similar situation will not happen in the future.

The SWGEmu Team.

Thanks for the quick statement and result, i do believe you guys are doing what you think is best for the game and the community. I would have keep playing, whatever was decided, so i'm fine either way.

Keep up the great job you are doing, and many thanks for the hard work accomplished till now :cool:

dizmull 04-27-2010 05:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Vlada (Post 591380)
Why not just buy them for RL money, use Google FFS.

trying to stick to the rules killed 15 smc cw two nights ago and the best thing i looted was a comp helmet with 33% of rest on it lol

Triko 04-27-2010 05:15 PM

This entire thread is retarded.

Tmoney909 04-27-2010 05:15 PM

way to make a fast decision. i didn't really care either way it went. i just like how it didnt take you guys 3 weeks to decide while everyone sat around and didnt want to play.
All in all i like the decision. thank you

Joshino 04-27-2010 05:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by quadkidd02 (Post 591389)
Now pay close attention to the numbers of the poll results...

No, and I won't play if you wipe till OR - Before:162/After:161 = -1
No, but I'll still play with the Blue Frogs - Before:207/After:206 = -1
No, but I'll still play regardless - Before:290/After:310 = +20
Yes - Before:453/After:452 = -1
Yes, but with Blue Frogs(See limitations) - Before:882/After:884 = +2

Hmm...the only way you can "lose" votes in vBulletin (for those who don't know, that's the bulletin board/forum software SWGEmu uses. check the copyright line at the bottom of the page) is for an admin to "modify" the poll.

I know this for a complete and un-biased fact. I have before and continue to run my own web server which hosts vBulletin, PhpBB, and other forum software.

The poll was tampered with, I know this for a fact. You can't change your vote on your own. That is beyond the user's "privileges."

"So if you don't know, now you know."

dayum.

Ekowraith 04-27-2010 05:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lamune (Post 591403)
Kay.... so... hypothetically... if one *was* going to tamper with the results in "No's" favor with the sudden flood of votes... why the hell would they stage the final outcome to results that they'd still lose with? :eek:

The staff changed the poll just enough to give the true majority 65% of the pre-rounding whole-number vote percentages, rather than 66% of the vote.

Odyssey Starchaser 04-27-2010 05:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MarlonB (Post 591171)
At least show us all how to dupe then .. so we are on even playing field :)

QFE! Can someone dupe me a holo.

Wipe or No Im still playin.

The day one Drops for me will be the day befor they wipe....
Just my luck.

vertwheal 04-27-2010 05:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bsiniard (Post 591437)
There is another...

says the all knowing user who joined this month.

Inpu 04-27-2010 05:19 PM

you pussied out. shame on you.

TC means TC. Wipe this b*tch.

quadkidd02 04-27-2010 05:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ekowraith (Post 591451)
The staff changed the poll just enough to give the true majority 65% of the pre-rounding whole-number vote percentages, rather than 66% of the vote.

66.95% before poll "closed," 66.36% after poll "closed."

It was > 66% before and after the poll "closed."

safak 04-27-2010 05:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ekowraith (Post 591451)
The staff changed the poll just enough to give the true majority 65% of the pre-rounding whole-number vote percentages, rather than 66% of the vote.

and thats just what i caught at the tail end. the numbers were going in ways that really isn't possible most of the day which is why i started watching it at the end. it would get 200 votes and remain steady, then 30 and the percentage would change dramaticaly..so bulks of votes at a time were obviously used more than once.

Lamune 04-27-2010 05:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ekowraith (Post 591451)
The staff changed the poll just enough to give the true majority 65% of the vote, rather than 66% of the vote.

You mean 66% of the vote, instead of 67%. The results never fell below the 'threshhold' everyone was pushing for, even after the alleged and still otherwise completely pointless 'tampering.'

(Amusingly, did anyone else notice all the people voting 'no' insisting it was unfair to end the poll suddenly and how it had to run the full time, but were completely ready to close the thing as a "victory" the second the results dropped below 66%- thus closing off any additional votes? :D)

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lazerbrick (Post 591407)
I think this sums up the staff....

Innocent victims of a conspiracy theory thought up by those who are confused by numbers?

Joshino 04-27-2010 05:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ekowraith (Post 591451)
The staff changed the poll just enough to give the true majority 65% of the pre-rounding whole-number vote percentages, rather than 66% of the vote.

Tbh this thread is gonna be ninja deleted or the posts are gonna be removed or they'll make an excuse imo.

Also everyone is gonna get mega infractions.

chajomi 04-27-2010 05:21 PM

The bottom line is it doesn't help them roll out a finished version any sooner. It would have made things more enjoyable for a lot of people who are playing right now, but the test center isn't built for playing. If the devs think the right thing is to not spend their time with a wipe then thats what is best.

Ekowraith 04-27-2010 05:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by quadkidd02 (Post 591460)
66.95% before poll "closed," 66.36% after poll "closed."

It was > 66% before and after the poll "closed."

Yeah, I understand that. I was only talking about the whole numbers before rounding (an error to which the SWGEmu layman is potentially prone) and offering a potential motive for what was obviously meddling.

Caelera 04-27-2010 05:22 PM

I checked the poll just before it was taken down but already closed. The majority had 66.5% so they did not change the poll. Based on the amount of folks who cheat to prove their point or get what they want here, I wouldn't believe all these 'pictures' or whatnot. If the poll had been changed BEFORE it was closed, they might have a point but it wasn't. The majority had yes at the time the poll was closed and that didn't change.

The people who post here are not credible anymore. Some of you might say the same of the developers, who I must admit, never should have posted that poll, but I imagine they honestly didn't realize people would cheat on a poll. Rather than blaming the developers, why don't you look at your fellow players who couldn't stand to let the majority win fairly.

Valdosemu 04-27-2010 05:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lamune (Post 591462)
You mean 66% of the vote, instead of 67%. The results never fell below the 'threshhold' everyone was pushing for, even after the alleged and still otherwise completely pointless 'tampering.'

(Amusingly, did anyone else notice all the people voting 'no' insisting it was unfair to end the poll suddenly and how it had to run the full time, but were completely ready to close the thing as a "victory" the second the results dropped below 66%- thus closing off any additional votes? :D)

I noticed this. :lightsaber:

Sarsarmarut 04-27-2010 05:23 PM

In no way am I going to flame or QQ about the decision that was made because frankly I have only been playing in EMU now for about a week, that being said I would like to state that the inflation at this time is very high and understanding that it will eventually even out and that the credits will work there way out of the system over time. It is currently very frustrating for someone to get off the ground and I would very much like to see everything reset for a few months before the next wipe. Is that not the purpose of a TC?

Duchess 04-27-2010 05:25 PM

Wow, guys, come on. If they had had a wipe who knows what would have happened and we won't until they do. Yes, some people donated, but at least your donation money isn't going towards some GMs drug addiction, right? :P
I really didn't mind if there had been a wipe and I would have lived with the blue frogs, but the reason they canceled everything is that the votes were messed up. Yes, that meant that nothing changed, but it doesn't mean nothing will. If the Devs decide otherwise I don't care.
Also, I thought double sunglasses was like a Newgrounds thing.
I really don't think the Devs were trying to be controlling but they were caught between a krayt dragon and a rancor. Ok, bad analogy.
Either way they were going to be ripped for their decision and even if they did cancel the poll because of fraudulent votes (people logging onto different university computers or connecting to neighbor's hot spots) they technically can't implement something they needed votes on the first place.
Yes, people are cheating, but maybe it is up to us to work together and do our best to keep the economy going. If it means I go out and train some skills and make good products that are affordable then so be it. I think it is more rewarding to help your fellow gamer than to dupe a million credits just so I can feel better about not being a real millionaire.
Of course, if I'm wrong, and the Devs had some ingenious, yet poorly worked out, plan to divide us and make us look stupid, then I say, that sucks. Turn the other cheek, just don't forget to wipe.

quadkidd02 04-27-2010 05:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Joshino (Post 591463)
Tbh this thread is gonna be ninja deleted or the posts are gonna be removed or they'll make an excuse imo.

Also everyone is gonna get mega infractions.

I understand computers very well and I don't like it when things become "impossible under 'normal' circumstances.

So if the devs, mods, gms, and admins would like to enforce mega infractions on me; feel free to do so.

I know I'm not wrong, this is what I do for a living. Working on websites and make sure software works "as-advertised."

So if they feel I should be punished for taking a closer look at what happened, do so I won't complain.

Yhor 04-27-2010 05:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by chajomi (Post 591464)
The bottom line is it doesn't help them roll out a finished version any sooner. It would have made things more enjoyable for a lot of people who are playing right now, but the test center isn't built for playing. If the devs think the right thing is to not spend their time with a wipe then thats what is best.

NO.

The bottom line is.. they said one thing and did the opposite. If they weren't prepared to follow through with whatever the results came out as, they should've left it the heII alone.

A complete loss of any credibility.

Speaking about starting the polls in the first place.. never mind the screwed with results.

Gray Mouser 04-27-2010 05:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Joshino (Post 591463)
Tbh this thread is gonna be ninja deleted or the posts are gonna be removed or they'll make an excuse imo.

Also everyone is gonna get mega infractions.

Of anyone, at least you should for the furry pornographic picture of the gandalf frog's vagine. It's seriously disgusting.

Jengu-fet 04-27-2010 05:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by safak (Post 591461)
and thats just what i caught at the tail end. the numbers were going in ways that really isn't possible most of the day which is why i started watching it at the end. it would get 200 votes and remain steady, then 30 and the percentage would change dramaticaly..so bulks of votes at a time were obviously used more than once.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lamune (Post 591462)
(Amusingly, did anyone else notice all the people voting 'no' insisting it was unfair to end the poll suddenly and how it had to run the full time, but were completely ready to close the thing as a "victory" the second the results dropped below 66%- thus closing off any additional votes? :D)

There is a possibility that one of the devs/mods tampered with the votes and another member of the team found out. This would explain the fluctuating % during the day and staying around 66%. It would also explain why the poll was closed + deleted (or moved to private forum) so suddenly when they previously said it would be up for 1-2 weeks.

Also this,
Quote:

Originally Posted by Spun (Post 591481)
Kyle still hasn't denied urging people in IRC to create accounts and vote NO, lol. I guess it's true.


Ketzal 04-27-2010 05:26 PM

....aaaand the whiners win again. Seems the crying tactics that ruined live are being used here.

The same people who duped holocrons, items, and credits are most likely the ones creating new accounts to vote no on the wipe and crying about their ill-gotten gains being taken away. From the poll, it was pretty clear that only a small percentage of players stated that they would not play if the server were wiped; I believe this number would be even smaller since some would probably still play regardless of what they stated in the poll. You are catering to a small percentage of the population that is not concerned with reporting glitches and bugs but rather exploiting them for their own short-term gains while cheating the community.

This is a test server, when there is a bug or problem, you fix it. There were problems that resulted in an unbalanced economy and game, they should be fixed.

SinisterCowboy 04-27-2010 05:26 PM

I have a novel idea...quit taking polls and work on the OR....???? Like others had said, smells like SOE bull****....Quit acting like a bunch of tard kids and work on the OR....if people wanted polls and kid games, they'd still be playing the NGE.....regardless of a wipe or not, the devs have their pets who are shown how to dupe...it happens with publishers and will happen with the Emu...that's part of playing any game...live with it or don't play...but taking a poll and not carrying through with the majority is bull**** and the same bull**** that will drive peopel away...WORK ON THE OR and quit pissing around

Spun 04-27-2010 05:30 PM

Kyle still hasn't denied urging people in IRC to create accounts and vote NO, lol. I guess it's true.

Shofu 04-27-2010 05:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Vlada (Post 591203)
I wanted to add poll results to this but it looks like that thread was ninja deleted.

EDIT:

Lucky for us, someone was smart enough to take a screen shot...

http://img641.imageshack.us/img641/8...eforeclose.png

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bulbous (Post 591210)
And did you not read how a 66.6% majority was needed for a wipe? This was a righteous decision.

GOOD JOB DEVS! Forget this nonsense, and roll on with the OR. Then will we wipe this sandbox and get on with the real work!!!

mmmh itz more than 66.6% ..but ... who cares ....
stop QQ ... have fun sitting arround ... or check out other profs ..while waiting for the OR ..

kookaburra 04-27-2010 05:32 PM

Its not the lack of a wipe that has made people upset.

Its the fact we had to go through these last 2 days when there was ZERO percent chance of a wipe ever happening to begin with.

Ekowraith 04-27-2010 05:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ketzal (Post 591478)
The same people who duped holocrons, items, and credits are most likely the ones creating new accounts to vote no on the wipe and crying about their ill-gotten gains being taken away.


Yep. It'd be like holding a referendum: "Should people who threaten others at the ballot box be held accountable for their crimes? Y/N?". The outcome would very likely be illegitimate.

In most cases, closing a poll on the basis of people doubling accounts to vote is already absurd because the illegitimate votes are as likely to be "yes" as they are "no". But in this case it's especially heinous because the individuals who have a history of unfair play in this community would have something to gain by voting "no". To close the polls due to foul play and decide in favor of the minority who was more likely to be duping votes is senseless, unfair, and rewarding bad behavior.

Lamune 04-27-2010 05:33 PM

I'm going to dupe Duchess.
We need more wookiee ladies.

reidski182 04-27-2010 05:33 PM

gahahaha this is sad. if you gonna wipe, do it now before i was any more time or become a raging lunatic cause idk where my life is going. but thats just me. so should my friend stop harvesting materials or what? would like to know. on the other hand, i will keep wasting my time if you give us blue frogs.

moral: now or never. </rage>

Darksand 04-27-2010 05:34 PM

Thank you very much.

Spun 04-27-2010 05:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by reidski182 (Post 591489)
gahahaha this is sad. if you gonna wipe, do it now before i was any more time or become a raging lunatic cause idk where my life is going. but thats just me. so should my friend stop harvesting materials or what? would like to know. on the other hand, i will keep wasting my time if you give us blue frogs.

moral: now or never. </rage>

There is no wipe we got George Bushed.

Z Ray 04-27-2010 05:35 PM

Not following through on what the majority wanted in the poll was a mistake. That means you pissed off the majority of the community.

Who decided to have a poll anyways? Should have just been wiped.

This is no different than SOE. Catering to the little kids that can't handle a wipe, that are in the minority no less.

I had little faith in the team before, now I really don't and know I know why Ekaika left, I would have to. Bunch of fools.

Lemi Okeefe 04-27-2010 05:36 PM

If this server is just here as a place holder to test out the server limits etc...

just add in the Blue Frogs for those of us that are new here so that we may skip over the grind and play at the higher level.

Duchess 04-27-2010 05:36 PM

I have to say I feel bad for those who were a bit impulsive and sold their stuff off (not sure why, I mean, what's the point to make money if it was going to be wiped?) and this whole poll business did kill things in game for 2 days, but hopefully it won't have any lasting effects. Yeah, this pissed people off, but we're lucky to have SWGemu. I just don't see a reason to get upset or take things personally. Well, time to get some stuff done in-game-- socialize, help people out, you know, everything an MMO is about.

Budias 04-27-2010 05:36 PM

Well said Eko, well said

Gray Mouser 04-27-2010 05:36 PM

Thanks to the really, really elite highest-end people that duped themselves into boredom, the whole community is now dealing with this psychic shadow.

The thing is, with all the drama and childishness, it's not any worse than any other mmo I've ever played. How could any of you with any experience say with a straight face that this is anything less than you imagined would happen given the circumstances?

What surprises me the most is the surprise. Of course there's going to be flaming but mostly cooler heads prevailed and there was a lot of rollicking discussion going on. In the end, the developers have done the right thing in my opinion, and time heals all wounds.

Here's looking forward to the OR with an actual crafted economy in place! (Which would not have existed in any decent form for at least another 4 months, if then.)

Baigs 04-27-2010 05:37 PM

when I went to bed last night it was 75% for the wipe today it had dropped to 66% everyone is zeroing in on possible fraudulent no votes, but what about fraudulent yes votes? Padding had to go on on both sides as the comfort Margin started to plummet.

Dev did what they thought was right and called the poll null and void do to cheating.

Yet everyone is content to slam the devs instead of looking at those who are the real problem.

And those requesting to learn how to dupe and all.. I hope your banned.


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