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reidski182 04-27-2010 05:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by reidski182 (Post 591489)
gahahaha this is sad. If you gonna wipe, do it now before i was any more time or become a raging lunatic cause idk where my life is going. But thats just me. So should my friend stop harvesting materials or what? Would like to know. On the other hand, i will keep wasting my time if you give us blue frogs.

Moral: Now or never. </rage>

Quote:

Originally Posted by spun (Post 591493)
there is no wipe we got george bushed.

fml

Duchess 04-27-2010 05:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lamune (Post 591488)
I'm going to dupe Duchess.
We need more wookiee ladies.

LOL! Two of me would crash the server.

Lamune 04-27-2010 05:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Baigs (Post 591499)
And those requesting to learn how to dupe and all.. I hope your banned.

That'd be kind of funny, considering a group of people who did enough damage to **** an entire server to the point of this kind of outrage are still here.

quadkidd02 04-27-2010 05:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lamune (Post 591502)
That'd be kind of funny, considering a group of people who did enough damage to **** an entire server to the point of this kind of outrage are still here.

One word: BOOM!

Arnold47525 04-27-2010 05:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Slayer45 (Post 591329)
We won nothing except a screwed up economy where no one but the ones that duped credits/items can afford to buy what is needed.

I don't own duped items/credits either and can't effort some things I'd like to get, good armor, better weapon, Mineral Mining Installations, medium Tatooine house... Do you hear me moan about?

With all half done the economy would just move up again to the screwed state we already have. Much sooner because some credit consuming items would have left out.
BTW, I did play on the NGE lately, they have a fully set up economy with all the things we don't have by now which take the credits out of the system. If you think the prices here on the TC are insane, visit FarStar and see what some poeople charge for a noob CDEF Pistol.

Had put up 10 Swoops (2402HP) yesterday and just catched one buying all in a row and resold it for 14,5k. Should say it all. It isn't the economy that is broken, it's the poor attitude of some griefers that is screwing the economy.
Wipe or no wipe, that wouldn't change a thing unless you'll be able to wipe that poor attitude.

Spun 04-27-2010 05:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Arnold47525 (Post 591505)
I don't own duped items/credits either and can't effort some things I'd like to get, good armor, better weapon, Mineral Mining Installations, medium Tatooine house... Do you hear me moan about?

With all half done the economy would just move up again to the screwed state we already have. Much sooner because some credit consuming items would have left out.
BTW, I did play on the NGE lately, they have a fully set up economy with all the things we don't have by now which take the credits out of the system. If you think the prices here on the TC are insane, visit FarStar and see what some poeople charge for a noob CDEF Pistol.

Had put up 10 Swoops (2402HP) yesterday and just catched one buying all in a row and resold it for 14,5k. Should say it all. It isn't the economy that is broken, it's the poor attitude of some griefers that is screwing the economy.
Wipe or no wipe, that wouldn't change a thing unless you'll be able to wipe that poor attitude.


I can't affored one either, oh wait..

mugane 04-27-2010 05:43 PM

Agreed well said

Rincon 04-27-2010 05:43 PM

You guys need someone with some experience in running online communities to get involved. Since you've rocked the boat with that little wipe tease, than prematurely pulled out, are you going to do anything else to attempt to stabilize the economy and re-introduce item balance? I mean, with things the far outside of the box going on, at a minimum you are missing out on a lot of testing feedback because some parts of the game do not get touched because they are virtually gated by imbalance.

How about:
  • Delete all of the accounts that obviously duped credits, and have toons with 999,999,999 credits
  • Review any logs associated with those toons, and delete paths of massive credit transfer
  • Remove any and all looted weapons that are outside of the possibility of the standard loot table
  • Delete all weapons that are obviously mutli-sliced, due to their damage range being outside of the possibility of the loot table
  • Delete the accounts of people who openly state they are violating the TOS in spatial, tells, and IRC by talking about: Selling items/credits, Exploiting, Sharing accounts, Duping.

I can't believe that you actually went though with posting that poll, included the phrase "We won't pander to the QQ'ers, they ruined SWG in the first place" and yet you go and do exactly that. Seriously. I go back to my initial statement, you guys need to make an attempt to find someone who has experience running an online community. And you need to get them involved, before you implode your own corner of the internet by jerking people around like this.

Baigs 04-27-2010 05:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Arnold47525 (Post 591505)
Had put up 10 Swoops (2402HP) yesterday and just catched one buying all in a row and resold it for 14,5k. Should say it all. It isn't the economy that is broken, it's the poor attitude of some griefers that is screwing the economy.
Wipe or no wipe, that wouldn't change a thing unless you'll be able to wipe that poor attitude.

Greed is prevalent.. saw a lot of that for the brief time I played WOW.. even had nasty mails and other comments made to me because I was hurting others profit margins....didn't matter that their prices were so high people couldn't afford without buying credits..

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Originally Posted by Lamune (Post 591502)
That'd be kind of funny, considering a group of people who did enough damage to **** an entire server to the point of this kind of outrage are still here.

I'm allowed to still hope.

Shofu 04-27-2010 05:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Arnold47525 (Post 591505)
Had put up 10 Swoops (2402HP) yesterday and just catched one buying all in a row and resold it for 14,5k. Should say it all. It isn't the economy that is broken, it's the poor attitude of some griefers that is screwing the economy.
Wipe or no wipe, that wouldn't change a thing unless you'll be able to wipe that poor attitude.

Man ^^ i make 23xx swoops and sell 20 a day for 20k each ...
Raise price plx !! there is np getting 20k

Z Ray 04-27-2010 05:46 PM

Ekowraith makes a good point. If any tampering would have been done it would have been leaning towards the no vote so they can keep their stuff. Also there is no way anyone an say how many votes were tampered in either direction. Even if that's the case YES won by far more than NO did.

Once again the staff of this Emu are incompetent.

Gray Mouser 04-27-2010 05:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Arnold47525 (Post 591505)

Had put up 10 Swoops (2402HP) yesterday and just catched one buying all in a row and resold it for 14,5k.

Here we see the mysterious and reclusive beast known only as "The Economy" in action. Have you never played a game with one before?

tmar 04-27-2010 05:46 PM

Well if you couldn't tell last night by the system messages that they did have a bias against the wipe, now you know.

Arien 04-27-2010 05:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rincon (Post 591511)
You guys need someone with some experience in running online communities to get involved. Since you've rocked the boat with that little wipe tease, than prematurely pulled out, are you going to do anything else to attempt to stabilize the economy and re-introduce item balance? I mean, with things the far outside of the box going on, at a minimum you are missing out on a lot of testing feedback because some parts of the game do not get touched because they are virtually gated by imbalance.

How about:
  • Delete all of the accounts that obviously duped credits, and have toons with 999,999,999 credits
  • Review any logs associated with those toons, and delete paths of massive credit transfer
  • Remove any and all looted weapons that are outside of the possibility of the standard loot table
  • Delete all weapons that are obviously mutli-sliced, due to their damage range being outside of the possibility of the loot table
  • Delete the accounts of people who openly state they are violating the TOS in spatial, tells, and IRC by talking about: Selling items/credits, Exploiting, Sharing accounts, Duping.

I can't believe that you actually went though with posting that poll, included the phrase "We won't pander to the QQ'ers, they ruined SWG in the first place" and yet you go and do exactly that. Seriously. I go back to my initial statement, you guys need to make an attempt to find someone who has experience running an online community. And you need to get them involved, before you implode your own corner of the internet by jerking people around like this.

Amen

Lamune 04-27-2010 05:47 PM

I gotta' admit, this has all be more fun than grinding the last few boxes of pistol XP on my smuggler.

Damn I hate pistols.

Gray Mouser 04-27-2010 05:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tmar (Post 591522)
Well if you couldn't tell last night by the system messages that they did have a bias against the wipe, now you know.

That alone should tell any discerning EMU player everything he needs to know about the use of a wipe.

Vlada 04-27-2010 05:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by odwill (Post 578769)
Anyone who thinks we don't pay attention to the community is sadly mistaken. We are very grateful for any constructive feedback that is given.


http://img641.imageshack.us/img641/8...eforeclose.png

SomeoneImportant 04-27-2010 05:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Vlada (Post 591526)

Best post all day?

I think so.

Omegataco 04-27-2010 05:52 PM

Sounds like the best decision. Can't please both sides anyway. Lets just go on as if this never happened.

Lamune 04-27-2010 05:53 PM

http://img641.imageshack.us/img641/4876/2074yu4sw2.gif
OMGOMG.

Vlada 04-27-2010 05:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lamune (Post 591536)

That ship has sailed.

Kainzo 04-27-2010 05:54 PM

I wish there was a feature to ignore forum members. Is it possible to implement this?

hav.rak 04-27-2010 05:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Yhor (Post 591434)
Any suggestions? I just got back and was looking forward to seeing the staff deal with issues that influenced my decision to leave last time, then they totally lied and went back on their word.

I now see why I was laughed at for donating.


I'll just leave this here...

Code:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0StE4qllJho

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vKOKLwN2czk


Z Ray 04-27-2010 05:56 PM

hey vlada they said they were grateful of the feedback. Not that they would heed it lol

jksdustin 04-27-2010 05:56 PM

So let me get this straight, you market yourselves by saying you'll listen to the community, yet you go with the minority?

This leads to 6 questions

1. What are you going to do to the dupers/account sellers/buyers? (buyers should get the same treatment as sellers for being dumb enough to buy an account for a game in testing stages)

2. Will you now stop worrying about semi-irrelivent things like the jedi system (an actual one can always be set up in OR, ours was fine the way it was, and don't get me wrong, nothing against jedi, i was making one and still voted for yes) and begin to focus on some actual fixes?

3. Are you planning on doing anything for the people who deleted their characters already to help you with the wipe? (I myself am not one, but I believe I saw some posts from people talking about already doing it because "someone" had told them about the wipe before hand, and considering the fact the majority was for wipe there could be a decent number.)

4. If inflation is apparently so bad that you had to wipe and now its going to remain the same for a while, how do you expect to deal with it until OR? (First because now it will continue, second because now so many more people know its possible to dupe credits and items it will most likely happen alot more)

5. Are you guys gonna pull this again anytime before OR over the same stupid stuff, or will the next one come with an actual fix? (I know you probably can't answer this, but still what the hell man?)

6. How many people created accounts since the poll was started? Because its my opinion that anyone who was not playing prior to the wipe announcement should not have been able to vote.


This whole thing pisses me off.

Chelle Psyops 04-27-2010 05:57 PM

Hoooly Sheep ****... don't we all feel like ****balls AGAIN. Where I'm from we used to call this "Lack of Communication" .. I would only suggest you guys get yer **** together.

B.O.H.I.C.A - Bend Over Here It Comes Again

Vlada 04-27-2010 05:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kainzo (Post 591540)
I wish there was a feature to ignore forum members. Is it possible to implement this?

http://img638.imageshack.us/img638/7960/capturenp.jpg

You are welcome. :)

Ekowraith 04-27-2010 05:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Omegataco (Post 591533)
Sounds like the best decision. Can't please both sides anyway. Lets just go on as if this never happened.

Wouldn't the best decision be the one that pleases the most people? Simply because we cannot come to a consensus does not mean we should defer to the outraged minority.

azkornboi 04-27-2010 06:01 PM

Woot

Duchess 04-27-2010 06:01 PM

This isn't a Democracy, it's a Republic! Unless you're in the Empire, then I guess it's a Monarchy. :P Cheer up guys!

Z Ray 04-27-2010 06:02 PM

The worst part is the jerking around like the community has a choice. Instead they weren't going to do it all along apparently. ****ing jackasses.

Rincon 04-27-2010 06:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Vlada (Post 591217)
Actually Kyle said it should be more than 66%, but since that thread went bye, bye...

Why was Kyle such an active part of the "vote NO" voice anyway? I personally saw several system messages from him, obviously phrased in a way that supported the no vote, and now the roumour of the week being passed around is that he was involved in creating new account to vote no with?

Along with my opinion of getting someone with online community management experience involved, I would also HIGHLY recommend a firm separation of church and state when it comes to people involved in administrating/developing the game, and the player-base. Far bigger games than SWGemu have been destroyed because of bias and involvement from the administrative game. You guys having bias towards players, guilds, opinions, ect will do nothing but alienate the other side and encourage them to move on to something else.

Freedon 04-27-2010 06:04 PM

By Yhor:
"The staff are obviously out of touch with the community. They wonder why people turn on them, while the staff only does this all for the community, for free...
...it's because of issues like this."

Not entirely for free. There are (as someone pointed out) a good amount of funds that gets donated to the devs for their work as well as server stability. That aside, the people are "turning" on them as you put it because the devs said "We'll listen to the community majority", and then said "Nevermind" because a bunch of "new accounts" sprung up and started changing the votes to be in the favors of no.

By Budias:
"Still we know the devs are watching and moderating posts so why don't they have the guts to answer why they decided to go against the popular vote?"

I would like to see their reply as to why they chose to lock the polls and go against the votes myself. It was obvious the answer should have been "Wipe the server". However instead they chose to lock the thread, and not wipe, and then not reply to anything. I would like to see this thread locked, and them give us an answer, and then us NOT flame them (no matter what their answer is). But going against the community was a bad move imho.

By Duchess:
"Regardless of the outcome, we need to focus on the real problem, other than our inability to have a civil discussion without attacking each other. Pretty sad. These dupes won't go away with a wipe and I hope that more measures will be implemented to punish dupers. Unless they can come up with some super code that blows dupers up as soon as they dupe, we are going to have to rely on people reporting dupers and hoping they get punished."

I have to agree 1,000% here. If a duper is found, they need to be reported, and then imho, they need to be perma-banned if they're just duping to dupe and not help the community.

You find out how to dupe, you report how you did it, destroy the dupes, move on. Selling duped stuff ruins lots of things, and duping is an OBVIOUS BUG. Everyone knows it, but no one is for some reason reporting how it's done.

==============================================

Wrapping up, for the first time in years I'm actually shocked by how immature a LOT of the community has been for this. This wasn't a life or death changing event. It was an -option- for a reset which would help them with MINOR FIXES. Yes, it was a minor fix that was being addressed, but give me the minor fix! Give 66% (which is what we had community-wise) of the community the fix they wanted.

Z Ray 04-27-2010 06:05 PM

Personally I don't care if Kyle convinced NO votes. The YES votes won obviously.

Lamune 04-27-2010 06:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jksdustin (Post 591545)
3. Are you planning on doing anything for the people who deleted their characters already to help you with the wipe? (I myself am not one, but I believe I saw some posts from people talking about already doing it because "someone" had told them about the wipe before hand, and considering the fact the majority was for wipe there could be a decent number.)


LOL! Like the crushing weight of an extra line in the database was lifted by their deleting their character early...

They are ****tards who don't deserve help or sympathy, or more likely liars who are hoping to repeat an old exploit from just about every MMO made where the GMs would do restorations- by getting the mods to restore an old database image of items they don't own... just borrowed from a friend long enough to show up in the records. Or they're just ****tards. But I repeat myself.

This same stunt was pulled claiming "mah account was hax'd and someone stole all my monies" a number of times, too...

kookaburra 04-27-2010 06:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Arnold47525 (Post 591505)
I don't own duped items/credits either and can't effort some things I'd like to get, good armor, better weapon, Mineral Mining Installations, medium Tatooine house... Do you hear me moan about?

With all half done the economy would just move up again to the screwed state we already have. Much sooner because some credit consuming items would have left out.
BTW, I did play on the NGE lately, they have a fully set up economy with all the things we don't have by now which take the credits out of the system. If you think the prices here on the TC are insane, visit FarStar and see what some poeople charge for a noob CDEF Pistol.

Had put up 10 Swoops (2402HP) yesterday and just catched one buying all in a row and resold it for 14,5k. Should say it all. It isn't the economy that is broken, it's the poor attitude of some griefers that is screwing the economy.
Wipe or no wipe, that wouldn't change a thing unless you'll be able to wipe that poor attitude.

Someone paid you exactly what you were asking for your swoops and that is somehow griefing?

I think I missed something.

mindslicer 04-27-2010 06:08 PM

lol majority loses!

Z Ray 04-27-2010 06:10 PM

First rule of SwgEmu: why piss off a few people when you can piss off twice as many?

Arien 04-27-2010 06:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Z Ray (Post 591569)
First rule of SwgEmu: why piss off a few people when you can piss off twice as many?

Yay for over achievers!!

jaguilera 04-27-2010 06:12 PM

Do it!
 
Wipe it. its a test center. Next time dont ask just do it. I'll help out any way i can. I love this game. Oh and dont add jedi. Or make it super hard to get.;)


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