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Traxian 04-28-2010 12:38 AM

I'll make one more post I suppose.

My problem isn't with the diversity of the community. Diversity in itself is a wonderful thing.

Wipe, don't wipe, blue frogs, no blue frogs. All of these had merit. The reason I'm opting to leave this project behind me for the time being is because very few members of the community were in my opinion, able to express and debate their views on the merits of any of these options. It was all pages and pages of attacks and accusations.

Diversity is a wonderful thing because it allows different view points for discussion. If there's no discussion diversity loses so much of its value.

True, it is not always the best idea to turn and leave at the onset of trouble. Nor would I in every situation. For SWGemu though, I feel that that's the best choice for me. It's a game, if it's not fun for me then why stay?

And lastly, again I wish the developers and indeed the users success and fun with this project.

mrtippy4431 04-28-2010 12:38 AM

Silly humans and your fanatical overreactions (not applicable to all). Rather than complaining, chastising, lecturing (guilty...), and behaving like a bunch of squabbling politicians who found a reason to attack someones reputation, get back in the game and see if there are still undiscovered exploits so that way they can be identified and tested with the OR code, that way history wont have to repeat itself.

Keep up the good work EMU!

Kesorx 04-28-2010 12:39 AM


Originally Posted by Luffyoo (Post 592404)
However, we dont know why they didnt go ahead.
They mentioned that people had bought up some issues with the wipe that they deemed worthy enough to listen to.
Until we know what they were, we prolly shouldnt overly stress about it.

If they had informed us of it, I'm sure there would be alot more reasonable messages on this board.
I agree. :)

Jordak Lestenya 04-28-2010 12:42 AM


Originally Posted by inyri (Post 592411)
You may want to read the whole thread (just pick out dev posts) and I think you'll find that the reasons were explained. And we weren't just trying to be mean.

i have seen a few of their reasons, but it just seems like there is more than what ive found...and i meant no disrespect...and i did say you guys werent trying to be mean =D

Baigs 04-28-2010 12:48 AM


Originally Posted by Traxian (Post 592412)
I'll make one more post I suppose.

True, it is not always the best idea to turn and leave at the onset of trouble. Nor would I in every situation. For SWGemu though, I feel that that's the best choice for me. It's a game, if it's not fun for me then why stay?

Because if the few that are vocal and disrespectful can silence the rest of us and make themselves the "Majority" then does the game we love even have a chance?

Never met you in game but very sad to see you leave

Lazerbrick 04-28-2010 12:51 AM

Honestly, why do you guys even have a public relations wing at this point. It's obvious that no matter what decision you guys make the community will be outraged at you, due to past relations blunders. Setting up something like this in concept, Staff should have known, with all the past QQ from this community, that we could not handle this decision.
i'm tired of hearing from staff "you guys should not bite the hand that feeds". After years and years of the same reaction from the same people, how do you guys expect any different reaction than the one you get every time you do something. The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different result, you guys might be clinically insane at this point.

IcyError 04-28-2010 12:54 AM

Hi guys,

I normaly don't tell my views in discussions like that but I have 2 massive problems with the actual situation:



Originally Posted by odwill (Post 592213)
You couldn't be more wrong.... Do you think I wanted to put 16 hours into this Poll in two days only to have it removed? I already put over 30 hours a week into this project and some ignorant jerk like you comes in here like you own the place making outlandish false assumptions. I already said we stuffed up and we are sorry, what else do you want? If your out for blood it isn't going to happen. Take your attitude and hit the road.

You think he/she is wrong? Ok no problem! You want to tell us that it's not your fault how unhappy the people are and that you have put in a lot of work? Understood and much appreciated! BUT never ever should someone of the community lead(GM, Community Managers, Devs) ever call community members like this. Why? Because if someone from the devs speak like this everyone else will shortly talk like this...


I have no problem with the decision of the devs to don't do a wipe even if I voted for a wipe.
BUT you state SWGEmu is a non-profit, open source community project.
Now my problem is if you do a poll (which you don't need to) you HAD TO do whatever the poll result is. Just because of the morale of the community as this community think they are a big part of the project. If you need to do the opposite of the poll result just "modify" the poll result. It will not have that much impact on the community as the actual solution...

BTW for all that think the devs do it in their free time and we have no rights do critism just think about what will happen to all the hard work if we always say "Yes, Yes,..." - everytime the community will loose people until no people are there anymore. The devs worked hard but no one left to thank them or honor their work.

After that said I still have trust into this project and I am sure the devs will learn a lot from these events.

Cassus 04-28-2010 12:56 AM

I've been playing SWG since release, I'm glad the EMU is around. I don't play to much cuz i know the OR is coming and everything is gona get wiped anyways. BUT, is there any word on how far away the OR REALLY is?

Luffyoo 04-28-2010 01:00 AM

Is there an OR???


trunck 04-28-2010 01:01 AM

next year

topllama 04-28-2010 01:02 AM


I have played for a couple months now and can not seem to be able to compete on the trade forums with those that have some many credits. So a wipe was seen as a leveling of the playing field.

Oh well. Hopefully the OR wipe will be this summer some time.

monkeypye 04-28-2010 01:03 AM

I am confused.

the developers control the code on the forums
the developers control the code in the game.

the developers posted a vote and set the rules for the vote and what would happen based on the vote.

Yet the vote was disregarded partly because of new accounts?
if you control the forums cant you control how and who places the votes?
Set limits of account age? SOMETHING?

I dont care which way the vote went.
I am pissed because I was misled by the people I TRUST to bring this game to its fullest potential.

Now that this vote and bull**** has happened...I dont trust a word the devs say.

I doubt the OR is actually gonna happen at this point.

Are they just milking donation money and using it for something else then what they say it is being used for?

I cant trust them anymore and will NEVER donate money to this project until it is finished.

-ace- 04-28-2010 01:12 AM

OUTRAGE....i can't believe i pay a monthly subscription fee for this!!

...oh wait.

Crath_Onagi 04-28-2010 01:15 AM

All these whiners. Just be thankful we even have this game.

Kamahl Krosa 04-28-2010 01:16 AM

You babies are just crying because you can't use Blue Frogs. Waaaah Waaaah I want free skillz i want jedi waaah.

Ketzal 04-28-2010 01:23 AM

I love you all, marry me.

Daywolf 04-28-2010 01:24 AM


Originally Posted by topllama (Post 592464)

I have played for a couple months now and can not seem to be able to compete on the trade forums with those that have some many credits. So a wipe was seen as a leveling of the playing field.

Oh well. Hopefully the OR wipe will be this summer some time.

That really is a sad reason to wipe. I'm a newbie so please wipe. Going over many comments in the poll, a majority that voted yes with many ridiculous variations of demands on a wipe (credits, items, accounts etc..) simply wanted it to "even the playing field", it's clear.

That is no reason to wipe the database, it's just being mean to the existing community that is waiting for the OR and that wipe, there really is no need for bug reporting at this time. And yes before I get flamed, I know some vets do want a wipe, I do respect their opinions. Yet many that have been here for years probably would not even come back after such a pre-or wipe for a time since we know it will get wiped again, and we are hoping the wipe for the OR is soon.

If they did wipe it, it would only mean that the OR release is no time soon, so why spend the time starting over to "even the playing field" (or variation of that comment), we have family and friends, a life, and investing in a beta stage (a lame duck stage actually) to accommodate the newer players is pretty silly; if you really give it some thought.

Come on people, restore civility, go with the flow, take a chill pill, a wipe will be around soon enough, and at a point we will all agree it's really needed (e.g for the OR). If you are new, just tough it out, we pretty much all have here at one time or another.

solid-snake-san 04-28-2010 01:26 AM

Umm... I really hope you guys have a better way of managing the database than just forcing a wipe down on everyone. You know, like a rollback or something. Kinda like all other MMOs? ffs, my WoW shard creates DB backups every 6 hours, but I can schedule it to whatever I want.

Ketzal 04-28-2010 01:26 AM

"An individual who breaks a law that conscience tells him is unjust, and who willingly accepts the penalty of imprisonment in order to arouse the conscience of the community over its injustice, is in reality expressing the highest respect for the law."

--Martin Luther King, Jr.

Unban Spun!

fisherking 04-28-2010 01:29 AM

Well i voted yes for wipe but with frogies no clue where i would have found one but a pet blue frog sounded nice(this is a joke i know its not funny but it made me smile.) Anyway i intend to keep playing as it really doesn't hurt me at all that people have tons of duped stuff, though it would have been nice to restart MeH i am over it. Let the good times roll.

TayTayMay 04-28-2010 01:32 AM

The devs and us have a symbiotic relationship here, folks.

Notice how the minute a dev posts in this thread, the hate goes down? Itís easy to attack the wizard behind the curtain, a lot harder when he actually says something back.

That doesnít mean the devs werenít wrong, just that it takes a public face and accountability to calm people down. Thatís what PR is. A public face.

In the grand scale of the Emu, wiping the TC isnít really that big of a deal. But it does show us how the relationship between the devs and community works.

People will always be pissed when their voice isnít heard. I voted for a wipe. I stand by that choice.

The Emu has never been known for great community relations; maybe this will create a spark that will change that.

I hope it does.


P.S. For what itís worth:

Devs, for all your hard work, volunteering, and for donning the flame suits, thank you.

And to the community, we are a salty bunch ready to call bull**** at the drop of a hat. If we werenít this passionate about this damn game it would have dead a long time ago. For that, thank you.

kookaburra 04-28-2010 01:36 AM


Originally Posted by Kamahl Krosa (Post 592488)
You babies are just crying because you can't use Blue Frogs. Waaaah Waaaah I want free skillz i want jedi waaah.

I WAS looking forward to the frogs actually.

I recently decided to make an attempt at the Armorsmith profession since I've always enjoyed crafting. It has been VERY slow going and I gained a new appreciation for those who have made this progression on a test server.

I would've been fine without frogs, I just wouldn't start armorsmith again!

AlphaDawg 04-28-2010 01:52 AM

I just hope that we can get past this mess! There are a lot of good people here. While we might not always agree on everything,we are all here for the same thing!

I am disappointed how this all went down but it isn't life changing. I respect everyones opinion's but we really need to calm down.And I think that is beginning to happen. This is a great community and the Team is awesome. I believe this will make us a stronger community in the end.



azkornboi 04-28-2010 01:56 AM

suck it up QQ'ers, its TC

yamahard 04-28-2010 02:00 AM

I would just like to say that I've been here since all you could do is run around Anchorhead on this test server. I really appreciate all the hard work that you folks have done to bring us closer to a real pre-cu game. I voted for a wipe also, but it's no big deal. I am truly enjoying just playing and testing on the server. Thank you.

Satoc 04-28-2010 02:19 AM


Originally Posted by pawnbroker (Post 591131)
if it walks like soe, and it talks like soe, its soe.......thanks for reminding us all that you're really soe

soe 2.0

Baigs 04-28-2010 02:40 AM


Originally Posted by Satoc (Post 592573)
soe 2.0

makes as much since as comparing modern day politicians to Hitler and Stalin.

Stevo 04-28-2010 02:44 AM


Originally Posted by Baigs (Post 592594)
makes as much since as comparing modern day politicians to Hitler and Stalin.

Godwin's law never fails.

Sky- 04-28-2010 02:51 AM

Dang! :O (room spinning)

/recoverFromBeingBlindsided :?

Apparently, another symptom of the blue frog virus is saying your going to do one thing and doing another. :)

I wrote some funny stuff about the blue frog virus in my previous post. Can we get the poll thread back? :rolleyes:

/warning2Devs Stop trippin on bluF. That stuff is dangerous! The hi is just not worth it. :shakehead:

/requestCommunityStopFlaming :deadhorse:

/thank devs :rock::bow:


/?2Devs Did you run out of TP? ;)

Mikla Tesla 04-28-2010 02:51 AM


Originally Posted by Adler1984 (Post 591751)
I will say that it makes me chuckle a little seeing this page, and seeing the number of people who originally were saying things like "Wipe it, the devs obviously want to" and etc... are complaining now and the number of people talking about quitting now that they have said no wipe are saddening. Last time I looked the vote poll wasn't "Yes, and give me blue frogs or I QUIT!".

I'm not a forum mod, none of us are but the mods. If they put up the vote with the intention of it being a fair vote and creating a good discussion, then saw that it was in any way becoming one that was questionable (BOTH the YES and NO sides made accusations of tampering, proxy clicking, etc..), and saw the level of division it was creating in the community, I can't blame them for taking it down.

What they did was in NO way the same as what SOE did or does. SOE didn't run a serious poll that was aimed at letting the players dictate what would happen. SOE didn't consult with players before implementing changes, or tossing out the CU or NGE. All they did was say "this is what's gonna happen, kkthnxbye".

Players should be grateful the developers even considered putting up a poll to let players decide, and should also realize that a forum based poll is a great way to express thoughts and opinions, but not something that should be used to determine the course of the game.

The devs tried it, and it turned into a complete mess. I for one am grateful they tried, but believe the COMMUNITY could've AS A WHOLE handled it a lot better than they did. A lot of people made assumptions of a wipe, and others that there'd be no wipe, and as a result many players did things IN GAME that were geared toward a wipe. This phenomenon is exactly why the developers did the RIGHT thing is saying "ok this is a cluster-bleep, let's end it".

I will remind all of those who screamed "It's a TC, it should be wiped" and "If the Devs want to wipe, then wipe!" that yes, it IS a TC, it IS the Devs call, and if they look at what's happening when they experiment with letting the COMMUNITY become more involved in the decision making process and that spirals out of control... yeah I can't blame them for calling it.

I take this as a learning experience for everyone...including the developers...and now they know that it's a completely BAD idea to try to let "the Community" try to decide the course of the server. So, to that end, I say let's get back to playing, maybe the devs can patch in some of the dupe fixes, and let's move one like they hadn't brought the poll in the first place.

After all, HAD they NEVER put the polls up, we'd ALL be doing the exact same thing today as we were before the polls were up...Grinding away, making creds, talking, chatting, beating each other up in duels, all the while waiting for the OR.

QFE -very well said

Baigs 04-28-2010 02:51 AM


Originally Posted by Stevo (Post 592604)
Godwin's law never fails.

Not making a direct comparison :P

And I prefer Murphy's Law

Eatea 04-28-2010 02:52 AM

Perhaps you folks should read more carefully. Since part of the Community tried to manipulate the voting by creating new accounts. The only thing that was possible was to withdraw the poll and to stay on the path as planned.
It the inet so there are a lot of ways to cheat and manipulate things, so from a good community, i would expect people not to make an personal advantage of bugs and errors like credit and item Duping, if there would be not so much egoism it would be much nicer but there is defenitly no way to change mankind.

So take it as it is donīt blame them, blame the a**holes that cannot stay with certain standards and who go for every method to get their will.

Thx to the team for for taking a hard decision , but i can understand them pretty well.
And thx for giving us a great game back.

Stevo 04-28-2010 02:53 AM


Originally Posted by Baigs (Post 592614)
Not making a direct comparison :P

And I prefer Murphy's Law

Still a comparison. ;)

AlphaDawg 04-28-2010 03:04 AM

I just dont see how you can compare this with $OE. Im not trying to flame anyone. What happened here isnt even close to what $OE did.

$OE took a game we paid for, loved and scraped it for the NGE! Completely changing the game. I really dont think a wipe or no wipe really changes the game much and on top of that we dont have to pay to play!

What happened here was disappointing but crap happens.People make mistakes.Its what we do. Believe it or not,no one is perfect. Not even the EMU Team.

Remember the hate we had,(I still have),for $OE??
Can you honestly tell me you have the same hate for the EMU Team over this?? I would have to hate them that much to be able to compare the two!

But hey,thats me! Im not even a little mad over this mess,(I voted for the wipe),.It was just a mistake, it isnt the first and it sure as hell wont be the last.

Right now Im just thankful I can play/test pre-cu and have confidence the Team will do whats best for this server. I respect their decisions whether I think it to be right or wrong.



waa 04-28-2010 03:08 AM

Ya cant tell me everyone involved on the "swg team" who had a say in all of this, read the funny business that went on with the poll in its last minutes before being locked and removed.

I'm at a big 'whatever' when it comes to this game, ya its fun, but when the day ends..... its the devs puppy to kick, and no one elses.

speedhacks, rubber banding, and now this, rinse and repeat

Metal 04-28-2010 03:17 AM

Ebayer's and casual loozers have won, with their crying.

I'm glad i wont be playing on suncrusher, becouse i see what will happen there ;).

It may sound harsh, but it is so...

junbao 04-28-2010 03:30 AM

Wiping a TC shouldn't be such a big deal. Says alot about the current community, the way this is getting blown out of proportion.:|

erminator 04-28-2010 03:47 AM

Anyone who compare the swgemu team to soe are seriously misguided, what happened here was even on there test center they actually gave us a choice on the future of this server and unfortunately a minority of this community took that choice away from us by exploiting the poll with more votes than they were entitled to.
we will never know the true feelings of the community on this matter because of it and it must of really put a limitation on the future community involvement in development choices.
I hope that the people flaming the devs because of a biased poll realise that there was no result down to those few that multi voted and therefore the correct decision was taken.

I continue to thank all the developers and community staff for there continued efforts on this project

Alamar01 04-28-2010 03:54 AM

Well, on the behalf of myself I'd like to apologize to the swgemu staff for those that are being frankly offensive and damaging to this community's goal. For the sake of making this a better place, please everyone chill out and move on. Whether you think you are owed one or not, the staff has already apologized and tried to make things better for all sides in this issue.

Lets please move forward from this with personal goals of making this community a better place and focus on having fun while trying to improve the emu itself as a whole.

Diehomey! 04-28-2010 03:58 AM

God after seeing all the **** in this thread I'm making a motion. If the devs see this comment, take note to not listen to anybody except yourselves. Don't let what anybody else says sway your opinion. If someone doesn't like what you, the ultimate dealbreakers, are doing, then they can gtfo. This is not a for profit project so figures don't need to be worried about. Make an agenda, post the agenda, and stick with it. Screw everyone else.

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