The Christmas Announcement

[Stinney]

I'm not really sure whats to get excited about.

1 heavily populated server with massive lag for any non US players and 10's of sparesely populated servers, that will die off rather quickly.

Monopolies are never a good idea for the consumer (end-user/us) they are always great for the people running them.
SWGEMU now have a very captive audience and will draw any new players instantly. They have effectively killed off any of the other servers, some of which are better able to host a server.
Most of you wont care because you've been blowing sunshine up SWGEMU's arse for so long, but a lot of people have put a great deal of effort into preparing a dedicated server and that work has been nulified by this announcement.



The future doesnt seem so bright.

[Max]

Originally Posted by Stinney

I'm not really sure whats to get excited about.

1 heavily populated server with massive lag for any non US players and 10's of sparesely populated servers, that will die off rather quickly.

Monopolies are never a good idea for the consumer (end-user/us) they are always great for the people running them.
SWGEMU now have a very captive audience and will draw any new players instantly. They have effectively killed off any of the other servers, some of which are better able to host a server.
Most of you wont care because you've been blowing sunshine up SWGEMU's arse for so long, but a lot of people have put a great deal of effort into preparing a dedicated server and that work has been nulified by this announcement.



The future doesnt seem so bright.

By viewing the numerous debates addressing this issue over at the Euro Chimaera forums, you may be able to gain a greater perspective of how we are making it fair for all servers and how Sun Crusher will never hold a monopoly of players. I'm not willing to repeat myself here with what I have said there - I've spent enough time on it as it is. However if you read our responses there closely you will see that we have no intention of allowing what you have said ever occur.

[Stinney]

Originally Posted by Max

By viewing the numerous debates addressing this issue over at the Euro Chimaera forums, you may be able to gain a greater perspective of how we are making it fair for all servers and how Sun Crusher will never hold a monopoly of players. I'm not willing to repeat myself here with what I have said there - I've spent enough time on it as it is. However if you read our responses there closely you will see that we have no intention of allowing what you have said ever occur.

So Max, you have stated that you will play on EuroChim, but as you know words are cheap.

Also the method SWGEMU propose to implement to get around the monopoly is for the people running the monopoly to authorise official servers.

Independent servers have to go through some sort of screening process and the people running the monopoly (SWGEMU) are the same people to grant that qualification?

It still sounds terribly unfair to me.


Push come to shove, when someone hears about an Pre-CU emulator and they have a choice between:

SunCrusher
Euro-Chim
TrueGalaxies
X server
Y server
Z server

Where do you think 99.9% of people are going to go?

And if the other .1% are who decide SC is not for them, they're directed to a choice of other APPROVED SWGEMU servers.

Dress it up however you like but its still a monopolistic strategy.

The only way to get around this problem is not to host a server at all. If the motives of the SWGEMU team are as honourable as everyone says, then theres nothing to be lost.
However, if there is some underlying strategy going on here, then SWGEMU will continue on this path.

[Max]

A monopoly implies there is only one option. In this case there is not. There are infinite.

If a server is large enough to be considered "major", they will be featured on our website and through our community. Everyone else has the option of posting in Server Listings forum and adding their server to the open list on our new website upon launch. Sun Crusher gets no special treatment - it doesn't even get a big orange badge saying "PICK ME! ITS OFFICIAL" on it. Its on the list just like everyone else.

To put it plainly, we don't have the ability to support everyone who wants to play. We can't house, neither technically nor practically, 20 000 people on Sun Crusher. Camping the Acklay was hard enough on Live, its simply silly to have twice or three times as many people playing. People are going to be FORCED to play on other servers.

If the other servers are going to provide a service which is as good as it looks it will be, I think they'll be struggling to hold everyone, not struggling for players.

[ndbsolar]

Originally Posted by Stinney

It still sounds terribly unfair to me.


Push come to shove, when someone hears about an Pre-CU emulator and they have a choice between:

SunCrusher
Euro-Chim
TrueGalaxies
X server
Y server
Z server

Where do you think 99.9% of people are going to go?

Sounds to me like you dont want a highly populated server... Very strange...

[zabrakwith]

Originally Posted by Stinney

So Max, you have stated that you will play on EuroChim, but as you know words are cheap.

Also the method SWGEMU propose to implement to get around the monopoly is for the people running the monopoly to authorise official servers.

Independent servers have to go through some sort of screening process and the people running the monopoly (SWGEMU) are the same people to grant that qualification?

It still sounds terribly unfair to me.


Push come to shove, when someone hears about an Pre-CU emulator and they have a choice between:

SunCrusher
Euro-Chim
TrueGalaxies
X server
Y server
Z server

Where do you think 99.9% of people are going to go?

And if the other .1% are who decide SC is not for them, they're directed to a choice of other APPROVED SWGEMU servers.

Dress it up however you like but its still a monopolistic strategy.

The only way to get around this problem is not to host a server at all. If the motives of the SWGEMU team are as honourable as everyone says, then theres nothing to be lost.
However, if there is some underlying strategy going on here, then SWGEMU will continue on this path.

Look at it this way. SWGEMU developed the code, they have every right to decide how to use it. They are just giving this community what they asked for...a hosted server of their own. I am from another server community and I am fine with it. If you've been paying attention the past few months you knew swgemu was going to host a server. How could they not?

Relax and let things play out. I will be enjoying playing Sun Crusher and Nova in the meantime and help in any way I can.

[bigbenz]

Originally Posted by Stinney

So Max, you have stated that you will play on EuroChim, but as you know words are cheap.

Also the method SWGEMU propose to implement to get around the monopoly is for the people running the monopoly to authorise official servers.

Independent servers have to go through some sort of screening process and the people running the monopoly (SWGEMU) are the same people to grant that qualification?

It still sounds terribly unfair to me.


Push come to shove, when someone hears about an Pre-CU emulator and they have a choice between:

SunCrusher
Euro-Chim
TrueGalaxies
X server
Y server
Z server

Where do you think 99.9% of people are going to go?

And if the other .1% are who decide SC is not for them, they're directed to a choice of other APPROVED SWGEMU servers.

Dress it up however you like but its still a monopolistic strategy.

The only way to get around this problem is not to host a server at all. If the motives of the SWGEMU team are as honourable as everyone says, then theres nothing to be lost.
However, if there is some underlying strategy going on here, then SWGEMU will continue on this path.

dude chil out the code will be released. if you dont like a server join another

[nostyleguy]

Originally Posted by Stinney

So Max, you have stated that you will play on EuroChim, but as you know words are cheap.

Also the method SWGEMU propose to implement to get around the monopoly is for the people running the monopoly to authorise official servers.

Independent servers have to go through some sort of screening process and the people running the monopoly (SWGEMU) are the same people to grant that qualification?

It still sounds terribly unfair to me.


Push come to shove, when someone hears about an Pre-CU emulator and they have a choice between:

SunCrusher
Euro-Chim
TrueGalaxies
X server
Y server
Z server

Where do you think 99.9% of people are going to go?

And if the other .1% are who decide SC is not for them, they're directed to a choice of other APPROVED SWGEMU servers.

Dress it up however you like but its still a monopolistic strategy.

The only way to get around this problem is not to host a server at all. If the motives of the SWGEMU team are as honourable as everyone says, then theres nothing to be lost.
However, if there is some underlying strategy going on here, then SWGEMU will continue on this path.

There have been polls done. 99.9% of people have been begging SWGEmu to host an official server for years. i personally have an easier time trusting my money to a time-tested, well organized, knowledgeable team here than anywhere else.

Regardless, TG and EuroChim have huge communities already(TG has 28,000 forum registrants, EC has 46,000), if their communities are as strong as they boast, they should have no problem maintaining a preCU-ish population.

what does SWGEmu have to benefit from a monopoly of players anyway? Even if they attract the majority of players simply because of their reliability and thoroughness (which i'd bet on), its not like they're cheating anybody out of anything. No money is involved, or ever will be (aside from donations to keep the wheels turning). Players will play wherever they feel the best community and reliable staff. Nobody can fault the SWGEmu team for developing a supportive community and amazing staff.

[ronnyquest]

Originally Posted by Stinney

Also the method SWGEMU propose to implement to get around the monopoly is for the people running the monopoly to authorise official servers.

Also known as standards. These are used to insure the best environment possible to players.

Originally Posted by Stinney

Independent servers have to go through some sort of screening process and the people running the monopoly (SWGEMU) are the same people to grant that qualification?

Well, they did write the thing, after all. It's theirs, not yours, not ours. Show some appreciation that the developers decided to pursue the project at all.

Originally Posted by Stinney

It still sounds terribly unfair to me.

There is nothing at all unfair in the developers using the system they have developed from the ground up in whatever manner they see fit. You people who feel entitled to other people's work just kill me.

Originally Posted by Stinney

The only way to get around this problem is not to host a server at all. If the motives of the SWGEMU team are as honourable as everyone says, then theres nothing to be lost.
However, if there is some underlying strategy going on here, then SWGEMU will continue on this path.

People have been begging the SWGEmu people to host a server when the project came to fruition. Here they are, giving us what we've asked for.

[Owesko]

Does anyone know when the server spec sheet will be coming out? I have a couple servers I am not using and wonder if they meet the requirements.

[cRush]

Originally Posted by Owesko

Does anyone know when the server spec sheet will be coming out? I have a couple servers I am not using and wonder if they meet the requirements.

A true benchmark can't be ran to determine server requirements until the product is ready for release. There are still many systems that haven't been designed, so it is still too early to make any accurate judgements on what will be required to host an SWGEmu server. In the end, it will depend on how large of a population you are aiming to support.

[zim5354]

Originally Posted by Stinney

Where do you think 99.9% of people are going to go?

its there code they can do whatever they want with it, including hosting their own server, which would probably be better in quality then a lot of other people's servers which will eventually turn into "gee i wanna play god today and since i have a private server no one can stop me" kinda games.

[Jahiliyya]

Originally Posted by Stinney

It still sounds terribly unfair to me.

AAAAAAhahahaha... Funniest thing I've read today. "Unfair". OMG ROFL.

I lost track of the effort for about a year, but a friend made me look at it a few weeks ago. This is looking hawt.

Thanks to the dev team.

[mijom]

Originally Posted by Stinney

I'm not really sure whats to get excited about.

1 heavily populated server with massive lag for any non US players and 10's of sparesely populated servers, that will die off rather quickly.

Monopolies are never a good idea for the consumer (end-user/us) they are always great for the people running them.
SWGEMU now have a very captive audience and will draw any new players instantly. They have effectively killed off any of the other servers, some of which are better able to host a server.
Most of you wont care because you've been blowing sunshine up SWGEMU's arse for so long, but a lot of people have put a great deal of effort into preparing a dedicated server and that work has been nulified by this announcement.

The future doesnt seem so bright.

i disagree with you.

atleast i myself, will be creating and playing characters on multiple servers at start. then decide after while which suits best for my needs / likings.

every one will be bit different in one way or other, be it location,community or certain aspects of the game/future plans. i'm sure there is plenty of players atleast for the major servers out there.

wouldn't it be better and best for all of us if the different communities could work together with EMU team instead of taking it like competition? we're all in this cause we want pre-cu back.

[EVILJUDE]

Originally Posted by Stinney

I'm not really sure whats to get excited about.

1 heavily populated server with massive lag for any non US players and 10's of sparesely populated servers, that will die off rather quickly.

Monopolies are never a good idea for the consumer (end-user/us) they are always great for the people running them.
SWGEMU now have a very captive audience and will draw any new players instantly. They have effectively killed off any of the other servers, some of which are better able to host a server.
Most of you wont care because you've been blowing sunshine up SWGEMU's arse for so long, but a lot of people have put a great deal of effort into preparing a dedicated server and that work has been nulified by this announcement.



The future doesnt seem so bright.

just like on soe's swg when there was many servers to chose from, there is multiple servers to chose from with the emu. those servers like true galaxies and the such i am sure have built tight bonds and they will not want to go to another server because they enjoy the atmosphere there. just because the emu team is going to have thier own server, does not mean every one will flock to the emu team's server. I for one will see which one is more to my liking and depending on many factors will chose a server, not necessarily this one.