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10-19-2009, 01:49 PM
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Again, the SWGEmu staff proved that they are adaptive, ingenious and flexible. Anyone who have read Sun Tzu (or any other strategical work) know that this is a wining combination. Or would you rather have a single hard line that never moves and crushes blindly, never going forward in any direction?
Fact: the community is visibly split on that change on policy. I am sure this is not the first nor the last time this happens and I believe this is good! When I read threads like this one, I see people who truly care about this project, whatever opinion they may voice. Please people, take a step back and look at the big picture: everyone here cares! The Exploitation Team is a genius, innovative invention and will help the developers to herd the bad boys back to the coral and find out where the gaps are. It's not a miracle medicine, there never is one. I just recall that when I had bad viruses and adwares on my computer, I didn't call Microsoft for a solution, I asked a near-hacker friend of mine because I knew he would know how to solve the problems. And he did. How is that so different in this case? Let's compare to what cops do for real when they catch a criminal. What they do? They ask him for names and modus operandi, of course. And perhaps, the criminal will get it easier at trial, be relocated with new ID or even turn into an informer for years to come. If that method didn't work, I'm certain that the cops would have stopped using it a long time ago. Let's be as intelligent as cops and use that technique, why not? Good job, team. Keep changing, never stop and become disconnected from what is happening NOW. |
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10-19-2009, 01:50 PM
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Learningdisease thank you for clearing up some of the issues posted and talked about so far. We appreciate this clear up.
It could have been made clearer initially to stop this, but its been done the biggest issue being that it was stated he was becoming QA staff which in its self is not the same as a non staff volunteer just like us support helpers. This is a good thing to clear up and i have gained at least a little more respect for staff now this had been said.
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10-19-2009, 01:51 PM
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okay.
just to get this right instead of reading 20 sites! someone speedhacked, got banned and had a new name on the toon by a dev. then did it again and was taken into the team as exploiter detector? with people using third party programs that isnt even hacking, any noob could google or whatever something like that... I get the point getting people to work that hack through systems.. but this? ehem.. it's like using a gun to rob a bank and then the bank taking the guy as employee how he could be so scary.. well not the best example but the fastest that I got now.. |
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10-19-2009, 01:56 PM
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10-19-2009, 02:21 PM
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I'm not sure I understand the argument about how Ashor exploiting to Jedi first has interfered with testing ability. Why exactly does that hinder anyone's testing? Does it directly affect testing in some way that I am unaware?
--- Griefing is a different matter entirely, and is completely subject to the authority of the Community Service department. If they feel a player is unjustly griefing another player, then I hope they usher that player out of here as soon as possible. Permanently? Not on the first offense. Continually? Get them out of here - no one deserves to be badgered by some immature mongrel regardless of who they are. --- I understand that there is an argument that Ashor was griefing players at the Mellichae spawn point at some point. I do believe this has been handled via ban by our superb and wise Community Service department. I would, however, ask that you all consider this one question: Why was Ashur even out there? Are we really to assume he was waiting all day for the moment that another hopeful Jedi might unlock just so that he could ruin their chance? Would you wait out there all day on your Jedi toon in the hopes that someone might unlock and you could stop them? Perhaps he was helping another player and became confused about which Mellichae belonged to which group? I'm not looking to say that Ashor is innocent, but instead show that all perspectives need to be explored before jumping to definitive conjectures about a player's intent of grief. Of course, the remarks exchanged, documented in screen shots, weren't exactly exemplary behavior by either party. I'm not saying he was justified, just saying that sometimes, nor am I condoning this as the actual events which transpired. I'm just saying that the truth isn't always as apparent as it seems, and asking that everyone keep that in mind before deciding that the answer is obvious. -- I would ask that the community remember that this is still a developmental stage of the project. I don't think anyone would disagree that it is better for everyone if we uncover and address exploits and hacks now, rather than when SunCrusher launches and the persistent world is in jeopardy of being adversely affected by such malign intentions - think economy irreversibly damaged, accounts hacked and stolen, etc. If players are going to hide exploits from us, they are going to do it anyways, regardless of what policies we make. If we find a player doing the aforementioned activity, they will be warned only once. They will be monitored, documented, and subsequently banned if the behavior continues. For those players that do choose to clue us in to their findings, I think it is fair that we credit them for being honest. Again, however, if we find that they continue to abuse said exploit, they will not be exempt from the preceding scenario. Simply put, only so many exploits and hacks will be uncovered on private servers. Exploits don't arise until the need for them arises first. This motivates players to search for ways to circumvent the intended gameplay. We aren't condoning that exploiters and hackers get off scott-free. We are saying that if they work with us to fix the issue, rather than exploit it for their own personal gain, then there is a future for them here. It is their choice. Please be assured though, the Community Team has all authority to ban players at their discretion should they abuse exploits. Furthermore, it is our goal, as developers, to equip our hard-working staff with the tools they need to make accurate and correct assessments, minimizing false positives. Please have faith in us to continue to do what's best for the direction of this project. All of your concerns are concerns of ours as well, and we do the best we can to address them while still being fair to all parties. We must not forget, however, that we are still in development. Soon we will be past development and into strictly community and playability - SunCrusher. Zero-Tolerance will stand in that environment - you can count on that. Please know that we are always grateful for everyone's continuing support, and we look forward to providing you with the best software we can possibly provide! Last edited by cRush; 10-19-2009 at 02:24 PM. |
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10-19-2009, 02:33 PM
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10-19-2009, 02:43 PM
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10-19-2009, 02:46 PM
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10-19-2009, 02:49 PM
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I couldn't refrain from posting some satire with my first response. This situation is so out there in contrast with everything else I've seen here in almost 3 years, it almost begged for at least an attempt at comic relief.
In the end, I know the developers and staff are all discussing this extensively. The public has spoken. They heard it. Now let's see what happens before we do anything else. |
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10-19-2009, 03:00 PM
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My concern is that it seems this project has been sidetracked due to the actions of some hackers while everyone is having trouble testing the game. And on top of that, the wavering back and forth between promoting hackers, banning, not banning, etc., etc., is making me wonder just what exactly is going on here and affecting my ability to trust the staff. To be frank, the instability and unsure direction of this project at the moment has myself and others leery of where things are headed. I suggest you all have a serious meeting (with ALL staff present) and come to some concrete conclusions about what the goals/future holds for SWGEmu. It's difficult to trust our "leaders" when they're waffling on things and having internal issues. Get everyone together, figure out what's best for SWGEmu, and get back to finishing the project instead of allowing things like this to derail the process. Just my two creds, for what it's worth...or not worth...
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