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Weighing in
I know this thread has been railed and derailed, loaded with irrelevant bull and people carrying on personal conversations. However, Learningdisease stated that the staff is taking the community's input very seriously and instead of flames and finger pointing I just wanted the opportunity to voice my opinion.
I've been lurking, reading, and taking in as much of the situation as I can since the speed-hacking came to light. I was there for Max's QandA in IRC and first became worried about some form of corruption when I learned of Ashur and STORM in that discussion. I was getting slightly worried when out comes the big "Zero-Tolerance" policy. After reading through it and the subsequent posts, my faith was restored in the staff and thought that would be the end of it. We were all clambering for some form of punishment for the perpetrators of the speed-hacking, griefing, etc and I felt we got it with the "Zero-Tolerance" policy. Then suddenly, a few days later, the staff does a 180 and comes out with this. I was baffled to see the perpetrators not only unbanned, but rewarded with positions in a newly formed "exploitation team". Quote:
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I believe a statement needs to be made that recognizes and explains the need for the exploitation team while simultaneously condemning those that used speed-hacks and griefed for their own benefit and hit them with the perma-ban. I believe we have plenty of talented, trustworthy and upstanding individuals in this community that are more than willing to join this newly formed team; we don't need people with this kind of reputation. I also really liked the way Tropicana weighed in on the issue. I think he summed up what a lot of us are thinking. I'd also like to take this opportunity to thank the development team and staff for all their hard work. I am having a blast testing and playing on Nova right now even through the rubber banding and lag. The whole SWGEmu team has made some amazing progress and I am excited as hell for Suncrusher's release. Thanks for giving me the opportunity to express my opinion. Last edited by Worlack; 10-20-2009 at 02:06 AM. Reason: Spelling - Grammar - Clarification |
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I can assure you this much, this is not a situation where "buddies" get to cheat and prosper, and this is not a situation where corruption is taken lightly. I can speak for myself and a huge group of the people I work with, and I can promise you that while yes, we make mistakes, our only interest and concern is the success of this project and the rebirth of pre-cu. We're acutely aware of the communities will and desires, and we're constantly working to balance the needs of the project against that of our ever-growing population. Allow us our growing pains, and our trip-ups, but understand that this community is dedicated, and we're not going to fracture.
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I wont presume to know any details but going off of what I see in this thread considering the communities current state of questionable favoritism.
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/sticky plz
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EDIT: Now after reading this post I agree. This change and wavering in the staff team has had me semi make up my mind to play on GR instead where I don't know the devs so I know there will be no favoratism that I know of :P Last edited by Bostwain; 10-20-2009 at 02:50 AM. |
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A few of the players in question here have been around a long long time, a couple have in fact helped track down a considerable amount of bugs over the years. Now if they are willing to report exploits, script haxs, etc that they has uncovered (or created) to the proper people, then what can I say? Eradicating such problems should be taken quite seriously for a smooth transition -> live. If not now, then when? I don't think any of us would like to go into 1.0 with huge exploits and other cheats present. Certainly, however, this exploit team SHOULD not be given GM/Dev/Mod type powers; that is a given.
Anyrate, I am not supporting or condoning either side. Most this is all hersay, rumors, and posts filled with emotion created from several players and guilds... I think the devs are level headed enough to deal with this properly. If said players use these cheats to grief and or get a leg up over players without reporting them + repeat it continuiously, punishment should be handed out...for sure.
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but I think you have lost the logic behind letting known cheaters back into the game well after the fact that they exploited with intent to defraud the system It would be one thing if they where reporting it at the time, but thats not case hence multiple bans and a change in policy in the 1st place.. Quote:
there is only one kind of cheater, yet there are many kinds of testers who report things please stop putting the two in the same boat otherwise all it does is appear that the good ole boy system is well in affect and some are above the rules I have one word for all of this, integrity yet all i am seeing is a bunch of Smedley'isms |
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Not so long ago this option had a checkbox or drop down menu that we could select when submitting a bug report. I clearly remember seeing at least a dozen bug reports regarding the resource dupe appear and disappear before the last couple of wipes. Not to mention # 2 below ... Quote:
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Damn guys. The whole point of them making emu playable now is to find bugs and DEVELOP the server code. We're on a test center for god sakes. They're attention is probably focused more on fixing bugs than establishing a community. There are a dozen groups waiting in the wings who want to do that. The dev team's priority should be getting a working release.
I'm new here so I probably don't have a firm grasp of the full history of Ashur. But who cares, if you beta test something, you have to expect glitches/exploits. When you see someone exploiting...report the exploit, the player is inconsequential. It's the internet, there are always going to be *******s. If just can't stand the idea of someone exploiting, don't play a beta - wait for the full release. Last edited by teneo347; 10-20-2009 at 01:57 PM. |
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It's a test center. Let the Exploits Fly!! Find them, fix them. And not having the ability to repeat them, kinda makes it hard to see if they are repeatable. Finding and correcting Exploits and Bugs should be the TOP Priority. Now, however, we run the risk of getting reported and then banned because we found something. Sometimes, repeating an exploit is required to figure out just exactly what happened. Personally, I don't think there should be any BANNING for exploits until the game goes GOLD. The ones I think should be banned are the people that cry all day about how much it sucks that we don't have speeders, and how long it will take them to walk to such and such place. Basically the whiners. The game is in a somewhat playable state, but that doesn't mean that is what should be happening. The primary focus is still testing, and there are so many people that get upset about little roll backs, inventory items disappearing, a busted bazaar, or not being able to be trained or train anyone. Then after they get good and ticked off, they start mouthin off to other people, or publicly cursing the devs. I think people need to be reminded that this is a test environment, not a full scale playable game. Get that back in people heads and the maybe they will realize that trying to perform and finding exploits is part of the testing process, and both the bugs and exploits need to be duplicated, in many zones, planets, etc. They may exist/work in one place and not another(ex: The broken Cantina in Theed). |
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First, im glad to hear youre allready working on the rubberbanding/lag issues.
It was a lil bit annoying the last days because i thought you doesnt look at this for the moment (because of other projects like OR etc) Second, i dont like the idea to see speed-hackers (or script-users, whatever) in the emu staff, but i understand what your point is. And i like you, for trying to get the hackers/hacks out of the emu. |
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I unlocked my jedi on Chilly I played for 3 years and loved it until they destroyed the game. This is our chance to rekindle the enjoyment we had before $OE and LA ruined it for us all. We should enjoy it while we can cause you never know how long you got... Davyd Redstrum - Dark Jedi Knight (Chilastra Exile) |
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I think this is completely fair, to say the least, if it helps the Dev team accomplish it's goals in the long run.
In the short run, it's only beta, who cares if Ashor is back and he exploits again. Once he is caught he will never be given the same 2nd chance again and another exploit will have been discovered and will be on the way to being fixed. The thing to keep in mind is everything you are working on on the current server will someday be undone. It's not like you are working towards progress on the real server. The other thing to keep in mind is this staff has the wisdom to communicate what exploits have been found in the community and how they are handling it. It allows everyone to know what has been going on and that they are working to fix it and make this a better game for all. It is a reward to the community that these exploiters get found out and the exploits are fixed before v1.0 goes live. |
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