TC Bulletin and Policy Change 10/15/09

[zabrakwith]

When will the anti-SH be turned off? The TC was pretty much unplayable last night. It took me an hour to run 890m out to a mission

BTW- If you cheat on purpose at a FREE game(and it's not done to help out development) you are the lowest scum of the Earth and don't deserve to play.

[Hellflinger]

All the bugs that I have ever found have taken away Items, not duped them. However, I have ocasionally seen Items pop up in my Inventory in place of others, i.e. a survival knife turned into some huge two-handed sword. Does this count as cheating? and if so, how do I go about correcting it ?I did not do this intentionally.

[Karric_]

Wow......3 days old and it is 11 pages already!

Although my response will be buried, I also aplaud your professionalism in dealing with a very complex problem.

I also fully approve the move that that notice was supported by a quorum of Development staff as noted by the little signatures at the bottom.

As I have said before on another issue, I truely appreciate there being an apeal policy in place. Those that are monitoring can't always fully investigate claims of hacking and duping without investing time and resources that are moving the project foreward.

Good move and full support here.

[is2u]

/standingovation

I think it is well over due. Thank you for implementing this policy.

[Lesardah]

Good points were made in the rubber-banding discussion that were difficult to disagree with. I don't usually favor a hard-line approach, but I also don't think people who would cheat are "in step" with the rest of us supporting the project. Cheating is a VERY intentional action.

Ban them completely from testing and let them know you're serious. If they want to come back when the game releases, give them a chance to do so then, and only then.

[bluenosedwill]

excellent news

[oidin]

Sorry if I ask a dumb question, but Im a noob in case of network/serverstuff.

I get sometimes this "rubberbanding"; does it mean "I" cause "speedhack", or do I get it, because someone else did speedhack?

Just in case, the failure is on my side, how to prevent "speedhack".

[Vlada]

Originally Posted by oidin

Sorry if I ask a dumb question, but Im a noob in case of network/serverstuff.

I get sometimes this "rubberbanding"; does it mean "I" cause "speedhack", or do I get it, because someone else did speedhack?

Just in case, the failure is on my side, how to prevent "speedhack".

Its not you, don't worry about it. Its the anti speed hack algorithm that's not working as intended and is causing rubber-banding. Someone else was speed hacking and the algorithm was applied to prevent it. They are tweaking a new one on internal TC and it will be replacing the old one soon.

[XCKid]

A world without rubberbanding? Is it a dream come true? :P

[Tropicana]

Max, I think you are a stand-up guy, I really do. That being said; Why aren't you standing up for yourself, and telling the idiots on your team to sit down, and shut the **** up?

Every time you come on the forums with something promising, someone else comes along, and ruins the entire thing, and makes you come off as a liar, which I know you are not. Most of the members on the forums are completely oblivious to the fact that this thread is actually older than the one that is already locked. If they read that one, they wouldn't be so anxious to swallow the Emulator's enormous E-peen, even if it is sticking out of a pair of navy blue slacks that are being held up by a pair of red suspenders that are resting comfortably over top a green and white plaid shirt, with both of it's front pockets heavily guarded by pencils, erasers, and a pair of bi-focal glasses. As appealing as that might be.

No offense to any members on these forums, but the majority of them are mindless drones that are being used to test a 4 year in the making make-shift Alpha server. Most of them don't even know what hacking, or duping is. I'd even go so far as saying that half of the players on the emulator spend 90% of their time in the Cantina using the server as a cyber-frenzied chat room.

If you want people to be able to actually "test" your Alpha server with any degree of accuracy, then why don't you use some of the thousands of dollars that have been poured like water into this project and go buy legit servers that don't act like a freshman college student after his first house party.

Personally, I think that any, and all "promises" that are announced should come with a disclaimer that they will last about 10 days, or until a programmer's friend starts speed-hacking. That way, no one can complain when these types of things happen, because we will be expecting them.

I am sure you know by now that playing on the TC while the debugger is running is like digital déjà vu. I guess that isn't so bad for those who like to see the scenery, because they will get it to see it over, and over, and over again. There is nothing healthier than running out of a city six times before you finally break your rubber-banding for testing purposes, I gotta hand it to the EMu team, they sure know how to be practical, and efficient.

If there is any one thing I want to stress to the EMu team it would be: Fix the Mobs.

Fix the mobs so that you don't have lairs that spawn 30m out in water, fix mobs so that they don't attack you, run away, regenerate, and then come attack you again, fix mobs so they don't attack you, while being unattackable themselves, fix mobs that can apply states, and are unattackable, fix mobs that spawn inside of walls, on LoS lines, on top of you randomly, as you are running. Fix mobs so that they don't KD-Dizzy you in an infinite loop, fix mobs so that they don't ingore posture change, and dizzy. Fix mobs that aggro from 80m away, and for **** sake, give us Taunt.

I honestly hope that you are able to keep this Emulator alive by yourself Max, because no one else has shown that they care enough to help you. (except El'layn, she does an awesome job.)

[Destruction]

i would like to see where you got that second quote from, as it doesn't sound like Kyle

[faceman7381]

Originally Posted by Destruction

i would like to see where you got that second quote from, as it doesn't like Kyle

He got it from the older thread he is referring to that has been locked.

Yes, it was from Kyle. That is why Trop is making this post.

You just proved his point.

[Destruction]

i found it,it's a policy change not a statement by kyle as portrayed in the sig

and the key words are suspiciously not in bold

point not proven until Strict guidelines are elaborated on

also, comparing the statement from 10/15/09 to the CHANGE on 10/18/09 doesn't make a tenable point as the 2nd was likely made with consideration to the 1st

[Emokho]

The thing I get from all this is that perhapse the people with the little blue boxes where the "rank" goes should get together and descuss things in a forum where asmany as possibly can debate, descuss, and come to a concensious before announceing any grand sweeping change so this sort of thing does not occur in the future where one guy either looks like a donkey or like he's getting bent over the desk depending on your point of view.

Perhapse a descussion forum here with acess only given to the staff where topice like "ok guys, what do we do about speed hackers" would appear and be descussed for a time.

[faceman7381]

Okay.....

I am not even going to touch this.

What I will say is this (and I can't believe I am saying this):

If you don't have a join date of 2006 or 2007, you don't know what most of us are talking about.

I invite anyone about to flame me to go back to my posts and look at some of them.
I have offered and have aided TONS of noobs on this forum and in game even when they were being flamed all over the place for saying dumb stuff and asking 'age old questions'.

Now, if you are from the above mentioned era and know of the old boards where if had even ASKED about jedi on there, you'd get the ban stick thumped on your head then you know what Trop, Timbab, myself and others are syaing here.

There is a history. That's all that needs to be said. If you don't know about the removal/restructuring of class representatives were and how that went down, then you don't know what we're talking about.

If you don't know who Megatron is, then you don't know what we are talking about.

The list goes on.

Look back to that thread about the Zero Tolerance to the first post I made. It talks about how people were worried that the emu would turn into an emulator like every other emulator where the boys and their friends were treated differently.

Those fears were and are real.

I like Kyle a lot btw. If you are a crafter, you better show some love for him, because you would still be dreaming about it if it weren't for him. But posting a quote from him in bold to show Trop's point isn't 'suspicious' its to draw attention to it.

cRush ellobrated on stirct guidelines latter in that thread and that because of Ashur's eariler work with finding some very diminshing bugs (my words, as I know Ashur DID test and find bugs) that his recent actions should be weighed in light of his previous assistance to the project.

Trop said:

"Every time you (Max) come on the forums with something promising, someone else comes along, and ruins the entire thing, and makes you come off as a liar, which I know you are not. Most of the members on the forums are completely oblivious to the fact that this thread is actually older than the one that is already locked."

That's his point. Max has played damage control before in some of the above listed instances I stated. Unless you were here then, you don't know what he is talking about which proves Trop's other point:

"No offense to any members on these forums, but the majority of them are mindless drones that are being used to test a 4 year in the making make-shift Alpha server."

That's all.