[Re-Revised] TC:NOVA Wipe Proposal

[Futureshock]

I don't see how the goal of testing will be benefitted by sending everyone back to the starting areas and content. If this is truely a test center, then testing the playability of various features and zones should be more important then whether or not the economy is fair.

[Mikla Tesla]

Originally Posted by Futureshock

I don't see how the goal of testing will be benefitted by sending everyone back to the starting areas and content. If this is truely a test center, then testing the playability of various features and zones should be more important then whether or not the economy is fair.

Well said.

[SanaF1]

And even if the players would be impossible to restore, then put on the last day of the Gungan and to be able to take his profession Jedi, so many players rejoice)))

[Kiora]

having a general idea of when the wipe would happen heavily weighs on my decision (if that's been posted somewhere, sorry, but there are pages and pages to sort through). i don't want to play if we're going to be wiped in a week, 2 weeks, even a month. it would be a waste of time to me. however, i just started playing again (i quit shortly after the CU came out) so i guess my viewpoint is slightly different from others who are used to this sort of situation.

majority speaks, though, and it almost seems indefinite to me. so please, if you're going to wipe, put in blue frogs for novice professions so i'll be tempted to play every now and then.

[cable-odinson]

fully wipe the LOT. What is the point of allowing exploiters and hackers the freedom to do what they want. Possibly consider giving all player characters some extra-support when starting again (Like a blue-frog where you can have 1 fully grinded toon to start with)

[jafo5]

Originally Posted by cable-odinson

fully wipe the LOT. What is the point of allowing exploiters and hackers the freedom to do what they want. Possibly consider giving all player characters some extra-support when starting again (Like a blue-frog where you can have 1 fully grinded toon to start with)

Then ban them... wiping serves no purpose they will just find another way to exploit the system

[Adler1984]

I agree that the core issue at hand is that this is a test server, and wipes should be expected... however, wipes on a test server generally happen when NEW content is added that is needing to be tested to further the development of the game. As I read the current proposal for the wipe, there isn't anything that actually would be coming into the new-wiped version of the server except, possibly, a changed Jedi unlock system. All this does is address economic/duping issues that DO NOT affect the actual testing of the server. It could make the community happy or it could piss off people who put in a lot of time into the game in order to progress to a point where they are now.

Either way, whatever happens, I won't be HUGELY affected as I just got to a point where I have characters set up, harvest toons at the ready, etc... However, I can see this being a completely counter-productive move as it doesn't actually DO anything that cannot be re-instigated later.

Some of the arguments for are kind of...short term minded...

Fixing the issue of too many Jedi: This is only a short term solution as once the new system is figured out (barring there being so many bugs that the devs have to rollback to the old system) someone will post a guide on the forums about it and people will start unlocking. Barring actually making some accounts NOT CAPABLE of unlocking, you will always have the possibility of lots of Jedi.

Fixing credit/item duping, and therefore the economy: This assumes that there aren't other dupes that players won't be able to figure out over the course of the time between the proposed wipe and the OR. Otherwise we'll have had a complete server wipe that ended up with the same result down the road.

Fixing/changing crafting to where it's more on par with loots: I would like more details on this one, as if they mean there would be a lessening of the quality of loot weapons, and a bump in the quality of resources (plus enabling schematics maybe for things like DXR6 Rifles, RIS Armor, Scythes, etc...) then this would definitely be a nice thing for PLAYABILITY of a crafter. It does NOT, however, TEST anything that would be added to the OR or SC.

I would like to see the forum admins possibly RE POST this whole idea, and let people vote with ALL the information as stated. I have to wonder how many yes votes would change to no and how many no votes would switch to yes.

Oh and PS...No blue frogs please... Being able to insta-master, even if "to get the testing rolling" is cheap. When LAUNCH happened in ANY game, you didn't have insta-masters, so why on EMU?

Hope the constructive posts are able to be read out of the mess that this thread has become.

[Kiora]

Originally Posted by Adler1984

Oh and PS...No blue frogs please... Being able to insta-master, even if "to get the testing rolling" is cheap. When LAUNCH happened in ANY game, you didn't have insta-masters, so why on EMU?

because most games that are launched by big, corporate companies have already gone through enough testing to actually be launched. obviously we're not at that point.

[Ama-Ebi]

Originally Posted by odwill

What we propose changing
* Revising the jedi unlock
* Implementing credit duping fixes
* Implementing item duping fixes
* Better equalizing crafted items and looted item quality
* Fixing bazaar exploits

This would mean that everything would be deleted; characters, accounts, items, etc. We will NOT consider any partial deletes because they would just cause big problems.

Advantages: Duped economy would be reset, jedi would be more of a mystery again.
Disadvantages: Everything done on TC for the last 6 months would be gone.

First off, I'm grateful for the opportunity to play this game again. Regardless of what is decided, I'll be in game. It's been great to play with old friends and meet new friends on Nova.

This is a 'test server', so I understand nothing is ever permanent. If the proposed changes will truly benefit the final project, then I'm all for whatever needs to be done in light of the 'big picture'.

With that being said, if there was some new content being added for testing (ie CH,BE,DE,housing...backpacks,etc) then that would be something for me to get excited over. The proposed changes listed really aren't enough for me to understand why such a drastic measure needs to be taken at this point. I know I'm often one taco short of a combination plate...mmm...that sounds good right about now.

It seems like everything will be wiped because of the actions of 'some' in regards to cheating or w/e. Based on that assumption, I'll vote 'no' on the wipe.

[SanaF1]

When will you clean the server?

[krachera]

imo we should not wipe until OR are ready to go live.

If there are a wipe we should either:

1.put the current OR code on ,(think this will bring us back to the sate we was at 3 years ago. Not realy prefered since we will lose active players)

2. Put back the blue frogs so atleast we don't have to grind skills. (Fair middle ground for both camps)

[Twiz]

Originally Posted by krachera

imo we should not wipe until OR are ready to go live.

If there are a wipe we should either:

1.put the current OR code on ,(think this will bring us back to the sate we was at 3 years ago. Not realy prefered since we will lose active players)

2. Put back the blue frogs so atleast we don't have to grind skills. (Fair middle ground for both camps)

downside to frogs is longevity. how long do you want to play a game that just hands you and everyone else skills?

and honestly even tho the poll right now is landsliding for "yes" i really think the devs should look at all the valid points that people who have voted "no" posted here. there has been a few valid points for "yes" but most, not all, are just saying "wipe it" without a justifiable reason why to wipe it.

[OlisJ]

I don't mind spending time until OR on this TC, wipe would destroy moths worth effort to collect materials for good armor crafting. Knowing how often named resources spawn and how quality is random it would set me back by 3-4 months from the point I am right now. Same goes for doctor and weaponsmith crafting.

[tehmulletman]

same here OlisJ but still it needs to be done

[Barber]

Originally Posted by tehmulletman

same here OlisJ but still it needs to be done

No it doesn't, there is no need for this wipe just ban the players that were involved. Easy fix. If it does happen oh well. A wipe isn't justified unless we get some new content and I mean CH PLOX