TC:NOVA Wipe Poll Results

[erminator]

Originally Posted by zaphresz

Omg whats going to happen to my resources, what about my 5M max PH that i was going to dupe. **** i was gonna sell my holo for 3085203Mill

Oh wait the 33% minority won, great now everyone can get back to ****ing the economy, one of the most vital and unique parts in the game

Thanks SOE

There was no minority or majority, the poll was duped and there fore invalid, now stop flaming the devs and live with the fact you have a free game on a TEST server and enjoy until OR

[fixit6]

Anyone care to justify charging 3+ mil for a sub 190 damage VK? Funny how inflated things have gotten.

[Shadow2k]

Originally Posted by fixit6

Anyone care to justify charging 3+ mil for a sub 190 damage VK? Funny how inflated things have gotten.

So go buy a 180dmg VK off the bazaar for 20k like most of us have been doing for a while now. Who freakin cares, its a test center.

[fixit6]

Originally Posted by Shadow2k

So go buy a 180dmg VK off the bazaar for 20k like most of us have been doing for a while now. Who freakin cares, its a test center.

I got this price directly off the bazaar.

Whole point of that post is that cheaters now rule TC...inflating the market to absurb levels and this, by looks of it, is perfectly acceptable. A wipe with nerfed loot tables, buffing crafted gear, and disabling certain features used for some of the duping might have been a good thing to test is all I am thinking.

[kookaburra]

Originally Posted by erminator

There was no minority or majority, the poll was duped and there fore invalid, now stop flaming the devs and live with the fact you have a free game on a TEST server and enjoy until OR

Wrong.
The VAST majority voted for a wipe.
One or more moderators on this board altered the vote count and then deleted the poll thread.

(I'll post these links again since I know it'll be asked)
http://img191.imageshack.us/i/pollafterclose.png/
http://img689.imageshack.us/i/pollam...foreclose.png/

Take a close look at those numbers.

[Kraschman]

Originally Posted by kookaburra

Wrong.
The VAST majority voted for a wipe.
One or more moderators on this board altered the vote count and then deleted the poll thread.

(I'll post these links again since I know it'll be asked)
http://img191.imageshack.us/i/pollafterclose.png/
http://img689.imageshack.us/i/pollam...foreclose.png/

Take a close look at those numbers.

All that proves is that you know how to take a screenshot.

Do you have access to the vote records to know how each account voted? Do you have access to the account logs to ensure all the accounts that voted are unique users and not dupe accounts?

If not, there's no way we can trust ANY of the votes on face value.

You're treating the before pic as solid numbers, which they may not actually be. The vote count may have been altered long before the vote ended, by users let alone any possible fixing by the mods.

With the lack of proof to the contrary, the entire vote is suspect, not just the last minute.

[kookaburra]

Originally Posted by Kraschman

All that proves is that you know how to take a screenshot.

Do you have access to the vote records to know how each account voted? Do you have access to the account logs to ensure all the accounts that voted are unique users and not dupe accounts?

If not, there's no way we can trust ANY of the votes on face value.

You're treating the before pic as solid numbers, which they may not actually be. The vote count may have been altered long before the vote ended, by users let alone any possible fixing by the mods.

With the lack of proof to the contrary, the entire vote is suspect, not just the last minute.

You're not looking close enough. Unless you have an explanation about how people cast NEGATIVE votes.

[Kraschman]

Originally Posted by kookaburra

You're not looking close enough. Unless you have an explanation about how people cast NEGATIVE votes.

And you're missing the point. Do we have any proof that the POSITIVE votes weren't fudged?

[Mujahed]

Originally Posted by Kraschman

And you're missing the point. Do we have any proof that the POSITIVE votes weren't fudged?

Innocent until proven guilty? No evidence for either? Then accept the damn vote.

[Kraschman]

Originally Posted by Mujahed

Innocent until proven guilty? No evidence for either? Then accept the damn vote.

Or toss the suspect vote out. Innocent until proven guilty? This isn't a court of law. It's not necessarily even a democracy.

BTW just WE don't have evidence doesn't necessarily mean the DEVS don't.

[Lamune]

Originally Posted by kookaburra

You're not looking close enough. Unless you have an explanation about how people cast NEGATIVE votes.

*sigh*

I already explained this to you. The database did not properly record the last vote before the poll was closed and that brief site hiccup that soon followed. The -1's between screenshots can be attributed easily to nothing other than faults inherent in any database access over web interface.

While the sudden 20 votes is a bit more unusual, but hardly conspiratorial. "Hey, have you voted yet?" could have come up in a guild chat leading a bunch of people over at once.

But even assuming it is a government plot, your dice-roll comparison is still just stupid. Statistics like that require each option to have equal weight. These did not.

For example:
You have two choices- A.) A puppy. B.) A kick in the nuts.

These choices will not result in the same coin-flip probabilities you're trying to compare it to.

Originally Posted by Mujahed

Nobody's thanking me for mowing my mother's lawn on my own time.

Your mother should be. That ungrateful 8!@%#

[Kainzo]

Originally Posted by Lamune

*sigh*

I already explained this to you. The database did not properly record the last vote before the poll was closed and that brief site hiccup that soon followed. The -1's between screenshots can be attributed easily to nothing other than faults inherent in any database access over web interface.

While the sudden 20 votes is a bit more unusual, but hardly conspiratorial. "Hey, have you voted yet?" could have come up in a guild chat leading a bunch of people over at once.

But even assuming it is a government plot, your dice-roll comparison is still just stupid. Statistics like that require each option to have equal weight. These did not.

For example:
You have two choices- A.) A puppy. B.) A kick in the nuts.

These choices will not result in the same coin-flip probabilities you're trying to compare it to.

Lamune, it's a breath of fresh air to actually read a post that isn't doused in 1) off topic / 3rd grade pictures 2) moronic flames or 3) a combination of the above two.

I applaud you sir. Thank you.

[Lamune]

Originally Posted by Kainzo

Lamune, it's a breath of fresh air to actually read a post that isn't doused in 1) off topic / 3rd grade pictures

I guess I'm lucky I was unable to find a Lolcat pic related to statistical fallacies in my 5-second GIS. Would I still have got half credit?

[Kraschman]

Originally Posted by Lamune

*sigh*

I already explained this to you. The database did not properly record the last vote before the poll was closed and that brief site hiccup that soon followed. The -1's between screenshots can be attributed easily to nothing other than faults inherent in any database access over web interface.

While the sudden 20 votes is a bit more unusual, but hardly conspiratorial. "Hey, have you voted yet?" could have come up in a guild chat leading a bunch of people over at once.

But even assuming it is a government plot, your dice-roll comparison is still just stupid. Statistics like that require each option to have equal weight. These did not.

For example:
You have two choices- A.) A puppy. B.) A kick in the nuts.

These choices will not result in the same coin-flip probabilities you're trying to compare it to.



Your mother should be. That ungrateful 8!@%#

I'll take the choice of the kick if I get to deliver it.

[safak]

Originally Posted by Lamune

But even assuming it is a government plot, your dice-roll comparison is still just stupid. Statistics like that require each option to have equal weight. These did not.

For example:
You have two choices- A.) A puppy. B.) A kick in the nuts.

your argument would be weak, but semi-acceptable if it was a field of 20-30 to pull from. but there were 2000 or so votes, more than enough to prove that a >15% option is not going to jump to a 99.9% option. to think otherwise is simply not possible. a guild innactive enough to ignore the poll for hours and hours all voted the same exact within 30 seconds?come on now..