Discussion

[StringLack]

It's like this.... i used to be very active on IRC especially... but with time i just had enough of that , was really borring and i stopped coming
sometimes i come in just to read if theres something new on the forums and maybe respond...

[Namik]

People are frustrated with the amount of time. initial timetables told them it would come out 9 months ago. the emotion has died down. They have little access to tangible things that will get them into the emu. most people are registered and are waiting.

[na85]

I wouldn't say I'm frustrated. I can appreciate the time it would take to code and debug a project of this magnitude.

[EVILJUDE]

as far as I know, there has never been time tables, just things that need to be worked on. anyt time tables have been estimates of the community. the devs have said before that they would not release time tables or ETA's due to people wanting them to keep thier word. it comes out when it comes out. I don't understand this frustration people have.

[possiblyinsane87]

well i am not stressed about it, i am really looking forward to play on pre cu again. i talk to all of my friends about it, they are all planning on playing it as soon as it comes out, but i don't know what i could ad to the community, i typically log in a few times a week and just read peoples posts to see whats going on.

i do agree with the person that said we would probably get more chat going on if it was in game, say if you made like THEED and THEED only accessible, like walled it off so you couldn't leave THEED, and made it easy to log on to that all the time, i think that people would spend more time just goofing around there, i know i used to waste so much time just talking to people in THEED, MOS EISLEY, and MINING OUTPOST.

just my thoughts =)

[bryce-l]

i was following rules on irc. when over to a friends house idleing in irc one day came back and was perma banned :confused: sorry

[myserenity]

Ramsey,

Maybe there could be some in game events to promote testing. We have a semi-playable game at present time so instead of calling it a stress test, add in the most recent thing you have worked on and post a thread here with a date and time to have an in game party to test the new stuff. It will spark interest and give us all something to discuss. Sometimes a "stress test" is not enough to capture the attention of people.

[noxsid3]

Maybe we can make a group that can help you guys to answer questions on a channel on irc or something, or a new forum section for asking questions to the community or something?

You devs get loads of questions that you have answered hundred times and so on, its not easy to lead a "huge" community, been there myself =/

[POPE]

I can't see how the IRC issues can be fixed. Discussion will always lead to debate.. and unfortunately people can't take criticsm postively when it is needed. In regards to flaming.. I've had my fair share (though usually I get someone PM'img me with the answer and an appology for others.. which I do for others if I happen to know the answer).

I think there are more "active" members in terms of people joining IRC and reading the forums, then has gone noticed. Once again though, there should be penalty (or some form of warning, reprimand, etc) for those who flame others. It's a lot easier, and takes much less time (as in NONE) to just move to the next post, then it is to flame someone. Clearly you can't control "people" (being a public forum), but it would be nice to see MODS reinforcing flamers (<-if you are thinking of the other flamers.. don't go there.. haha).

As mentioned, a good solution is a "NEWB" section in the forums. I've beta tested a few games now, and they usually have some form of "NEWB" section for people to ask just about anything with out fear of getting a "don't you read", etc. post. I'd be willing to be more active on the forums if things opened up (in terms of the sometimes "dangerous" forum environment) and point people to the post they are looking for or give them information. Would certainly help if Devs said hello now and then to members they don't know.. might meet some very helpful people, who may have been insulted otherwise.

As for ideas. I have plenty myself. I wasn't aware that our opinion was needed at this point. I plan to compile a list of "tidbits" as soon as I get some time (next week or so), now that I have that information.

I am an AI programmer. I do program in C++, in the past generally algorithm programming for ACM type stuff. Recently I've been working with TCP network streams.. mainly building client-sever progs for stuff to do with school. I just started to get into hardware (not so much architecture, since I've been into that on and off for some time, but more programming of) and I've asked some strange questions about stuff on IRC.. to which I was blown off. Almost makes me regret asking some of the questions. The reason I'm mentioning this, is because I've personally offered to help with whatever.. if it's just.. hey Pope.. take a look at this.. I have a lot of connections within the University as well.. and I've posted about the EMU on our personal forums.. I've stated that it is possible for me to get others to help out here and there as well. it would be nice to be acknowledged one day, regardless of being needed.. thank you Pope.. instead of being ignored.?.

Anyways.. with all this being said, and assuming you read this far.. I'm impressed with Ramsey's post. I'm here a few times a day.. and never realized that we were valued as a community.

*NOTE: didn't proof read my post due to time constraint.. sorry for any errors*

[magnaas darkstar]

Originally Posted by POPE

it would be nice to be acknowledged one day, regardless of being needed.. thank you Pope..

i recognize you pope. : D

[flas]

You can do a few things like run a cafepress contest to promote the hard work u devs are doing and your website addy and a few other things. T-shirts and other items they provide in the schools and work places would help get the word of mouth going.

In the past i have looked up much of the info i have needed. But from time to time even tho i ask a ques. get responses that are really uncalled for. All these hardcore flamers need to be stopped. Then i'm sure u will have people with RL xp in the area's u need advise in like advertising will be happy to help. The way things are run now it kinda feels like the teenagers have control or at the least young adults that have no RL xp other then sitting in front of a computer all day flaming people cause they got picked on in school or something and its the only way they can fight back. Sorry if i offended anyone but this Vid screen bully crap has to stop. Otherwise this is prolly going to fail.

[Baylor]

Originally Posted by flas

In the past i have looked up much of the info i have needed. But from time to time even tho i ask a ques. get responses that are really uncalled for. All these hardcore flamers need to be stopped. Then i'm sure u will have people with RL xp in the area's u need advise in like advertising will be happy to help. The way things are run now it kinda feels like the teenagers have control or at the least young adults that have no RL xp other then sitting in front of a computer all day flaming people cause they got picked on in school or something and its the only way they can fight back. Sorry if i offended anyone but this Vid screen bully crap has to stop. Otherwise this is prolly going to fail.

Bingo. I think you hit one of the biggest concerns people share about this board. I'm a member of many MMO related forums/communities, and that is overwhelmingly the reaction posted by others when this project is mentioned. And that's from a wide spectrum of websites from MMO design/conceptual discussions groups to average gamer sites. The end result is a lot of talented people that could lend valuable support are shying away because life's too short to deal with socially inept people that feel they need to berate people for asking a question or voicing an opinion.

[Iocco7015]

I've been helping people for the past few weeks in the swgemu support forum and doing a decent job and suddenly I was banned for a week for just replying to a thread where the guy was talking about the trial. So you think people aren't afraid of getting banned? I wasn't expecting it, yeah I know your not supposed to discuss the trial but I didn't make the thread about it, was just answering the guys question...I can see a lock on the thread and a please don't discuss the trial AT ALL. Am I afraid I'm going to be banned again just for mentioning it? Yeah. So thats why people aren't saying much, fear of being banned or their just sick of the morons that talk like 8 yr olds on irc. I've told a ton of people about the emu and they are all excited but don't post because they would just rather avoid the flaming from asking a question or being banned.

[AntonSelen]

i got 3 ppl joining emu. they have a sour taste in there mouth though

[shogran]

Originally Posted by Ramsey

We have 8k members I dont see why people don't get on IRC or create forum topics and discuss.

SWGEmu isn't going to succeed without a willing community. This community is doing a piss poor job of working to build a better community for the future precu.

Please encourage your friends who played precu to join and participate in dicussions on the forum. PLEASE give suggestions, we read them. What do you want to be able to do with scriptable npcs? What are you looking for in a server? What if...

There are tons of things you can do to make SWGEmu better, without having to be on the staff. Just help others out and SHARE ideas. Don't wait for updates and post "good job" every month or so. You wont be banned if you follow the rules and be respectful.

If you want to know what we're working on:
Crafting (research)
Clustering (beginning in core3, oru's planning that I think)
Npcs/mobs (core3)

I was primarily a research guy but I'm learning the ropes of core3 to help TA and Oru. Once a few more things are added I will ask oru about doing another stress test with more content. But before that we need a stable community.

I've done this sort of thing twice before with little success, I'll have another go at it.

Suggestions?

ok that's it, im gonna be honest...i honestly think if all the developers are going to do is whine that ppl arent talking about this, THEN GIVE US MORE TO TALK ABOUT!!! even the lil things! the last update i saw (apart from another one trying to get ppl into IRC) was about 2 months ago! SO STOP *****ING!!!