Rubber Banding / Speed Hacking - A Special (Unplanned) DevChat - 10/14/09 2am EST

[Labyrinth]

Originally Posted by Colt-556

You think that just because people still play that somehow underminds my arguement? Even I still get on and manage to amuse myself. That doesn't mean I'd like to see the rubberbanding stay. You're mistaking tolerance with acceptance. And I speak of what I see, and I'm ALWAYS seeing countless people ***** and moan about the rubberbanding, saying how they wish it wasn't around. Obviously I don't speak for the hundreds of people that play, but when I'm constantly bombardment with complaints, and never any praise, I have to estimate the general feeling towards this feature.

Go and ask your guild-mates "Would you mind if rubberbanding was removed", or hell if you wanna get more detailed "Do you WANT the rubberbanding removed". Since again, tolerance is NOT acceptance.

Funny how you ended the argument with me because you were "bored" and yet you're still debating.

I think the reason becomes more and more obvious by the moment.

[Colt-556]

I ended THAT arguement with you simply because I was using it as amusement, and when it got boring I quit. This arguement however, is something I wanna see happen, because rubberbanding is truly an issue that needs to be dealt with. Not simply have a half-assed "it's being dealt with" answer associated with it.

[Labyrinth]

Originally Posted by Colt-556

I ended THAT arguement with you simply because I was using it as amusement, and when it got boring I quit. This arguement however, is something I wanna see happen, because rubberbanding is truly an issue that needs to be dealt with. Not simply have a half-assed "it's being dealt with" answer associated with it.

Then how come you shrugged off a perfectly valid example, something that is the only means of real communication humans have, as "a retarded/stupid example" without even bothering to say why you thought it was so?

Arguing IS making examples. I would have thought this was obvious from the start. If not, well...it's a wonder I'm still here. It must be because you're still so adamant about something that doesn't even make sense (per the countless arguments that have been put against it - if you'll notice, the people agreeing with you are few and far between) and are shoving your viewpoint down other people's throats like a religious preacher (hmm, I wonder where I've heard that one before).

Originally Posted by Colt-556

I will keep the hat, thanks. But just for the record, I'm not speaking in your name. Only time I'm speaking in anyones name is if they fall under the category of 'wants this gone'

I can't find my pencil

[Yyss'a]

Even if my guild mates told me "sure we'd like this and that to be done", that does not give you the right to speak in my name or anyone's name that haven't given their official acceptance as you for spokesperson.

Keep the hat, it's the right size.

[Colt-556]

Originally Posted by Yyss'a

Even if my guild mates told me "sure we'd like this and that to be done", that does not give you the right to speak in my name or anyone's name that haven't given their official acceptance as you for spokesperson.

Keep the hat, it's the right size.

I will keep the hat, thanks. But just for the record, I'm not speaking in your name. Only time I'm speaking in anyones name is if they fall under the category of 'wants this gone'

[Yyss'a]

Fair enough.

I just want to know if I get correctly what you are asking for?

What you meant to say is, you believe that it would be better if no part of this community, big or small, suffer from a measure that isn't proven to be effective. In that regard, you would like to see proof that the measure is currently effective or even better, being improved, or therefore removed so no one has to suffer from it?

Did I get it right? If not, make sure to correct me because I am just trying to clarify, not speaking for you.

Now, my argumentation.

We are here to participate as testers on a project led by SWGEmu's developers and staffs. The TC we log on in is their property, they pay the bills for everything it needs (even though they are being helped through benevolent donations).

Being a tester on the TC is a privilege, not a right. We are invited to party in the SWGEmu's castle in the trees, their own private property and they make the rules.

If they believe that they need the anti-hack system on to do their job the best, their job being sacrificing part of their lives to make SWGEmu work at pre-cu level, I will gladly comply.

I already am grateful for the chance I had to revisit the Galaxy because without the SWGEmu core staff, it might never had happened at all.

Aren't you grateful for that, Colt?

[Colt-556]

You got it right.

As for your arguement, I was told the anti-hack was only added because the community whined about speed-hackers, not because the devs themselves really cared. And even so, the facts are the facts, rubberbanding inhibits testing, it slows down our testing capabilities if it doubles the time necessary to move places. That's just a cold hard fact. Now ontop of that, it's PROVEN not to work, otherwise they wouldn't be fixing it. So while it's their right to choose what to do, the question is "why?" The current anti-hack doesn't work, no one really likes it, why not simply remove it? The database will be wiped so anything gained through hacking wont last.

Once the anti-hack is in a working state, re-add it, it's all good. NO ONE is saying there shouldn't be an anti-hack, they're saying that if there's going to be one, make sure it works, or atleast doesn't hurt everyone.

And obviously I'm grateful, I wouldn't be playing it, and campaigning to remove a blight-filled feature if I wasn't

[syrge]

As for your arguement, I was told the anti-hack was only added because the community whined about speed-hackers, not because the devs themselves really cared.

And there is the big point in the disscussion if you want to call it that the masses cried stop the speed hackers and the dev's did as the masses wanted.

I for one dont find it unplayable but that is me yes sometimes it is annoying to get slingshot 100m one way then 100m another.Though i have found a simple solution to your problem if you find it that bad stop playing.

Take a break come back when the server is live and the bugs glitches and hopefully the exploits are gone.If that isnt good enough for you then i have no idea what to tell you.

[Yyss'a]

Formulated that way, I wish to shake hands with you, Colt. Let's hope the whole situation improves as fast as can be, as best as can be. Let's put the mean hat back in the closet, since it wouldn't fit on you anymore.

Maybe filing bug reports on how the anti-hack system behaves with current testing could prove a very constructive way to make things better? I get that the anti-hack system is part of the server's dynamic, I can't see why we cannot report it all the same when it does bug.

[Colt-556]

Reporting isn't necessary, EVERYONE knows how crap it is, even the devs (hence why they're fixing it). Just wish they'd remove it so we could roam around in peace before the fixed version was added.

[Lobreeze]

And even so, the facts are the facts, rubberbanding inhibits testing, it slows down our testing capabilities if it doubles the time necessary to move places.

You're facts are anecdotal and hearsay. I hardly ever rubberband, your internet just sucks.

It doesn't take double the time to do things, again, numbers and stats pulled from thin air.

BTW whining != campaigning. If you have to google '!=' then you can never say another word about anything code based and what is good or not.

EDIT:

Ha google won't even tell you

As for your arguement, I was told the anti-hack was only added because the community whined about speed-hackers, not because the devs themselves really cared.

And there is the big point in the disscussion if you want to call it that the masses cried stop the speed hackers and the dev's did as the masses wanted.

I for one dont find it unplayable but that is me yes sometimes it is annoying to get slingshot 100m one way then 100m another.Though i have found a simple solution to your problem if you find it that bad stop playing.

Take a break come back when the server is live and the bugs glitches and hopefully the exploits are gone.If that isnt good enough for you then i have no idea what to tell you.

Make sure you read that twice, colt.

[Colt-556]

Why should I leave and wait for months, maybe even years until the emu is finished just because of some broken piece of code that could easily be removed? That's retarded.

And Breeze, the community may have asked for an anti-hack, they didn't ask for a BROKEN anti-hack that effected everyone. Again, no ones saying there shouldn't be an anti-hack, we're saying remove the broken one until it's fixed.

P.S. Whining isn't the same as campaigning, but I'm not whining ;D

[Lobreeze]

Yes. You are whining.

You should leave and come back because you are so clearly distraught over this. Its been said the anti speedhack isn't going anywhere.

Best get used to it, you really aren't helping your case rageposting about it.

And please stop speaking like the whole community has appointed you Anti Speedhack Czar. You speak for yourself, nothing more.

[Colt-556]

Originally Posted by Lobreeze

Yes. You are whining.

You should leave and come back because you are so clearly distraught over this. Its been said the anti speedhack isn't going anywhere.

Best get used to it, you really aren't helping your case rageposting about it.

The anti-speedhack SHOULDN'T go anywhere, the BROKEN one should

[Lobreeze]

It will once its ready. As has been said multiple times. Deal with it just like everyone else. Time to put the big boy pants on and start acting like a grown up.

Now stop already with the



If other people can deal with it so can you. Seriously.