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Old 10-19-2009, 03:17 PM
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Aww, okay, my bad, you said it once but raged endlessly just at Ashur after.

Besides, main point still stands, just let it rest.
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Old 10-19-2009, 03:18 PM
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So why is he banned this time?
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Old 10-19-2009, 03:19 PM
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First of all, I really am appalled by the childness, rule-breaking, rule-changing, brown-nosing, favoritism, and a great deal of other immature activity that has been going on recently.

I have not read all twenty-two pages of this thread, and honestly, even if I had, I probably wouldn't have gotten any information that would have benefited me for relevance of my post.

I remember the good ole' days when this project actually had morals, and dedication. Alas, those days are gone. From word of mouth alone, I can tell you what the issues are with this project, and from skimming over the OP of this thread, I can tell you that these issues are either not being addressed, or simply being ignored.

The policy of "No toleration of hacking, period" is not something that the Devs, as leaders, are allowed to bend, break, or manipulate. If you do not have the ability, or man-power to deal with the policies that you have implemented, then you need to think twice before you make them.

If someone is caught using third party programs, or actually "hacking" the game in an attempt to abuse the server that everyone else is playing on, it is an automatic perma-ban, no exceptions, whatsoever. That is the policy, and no one, not even Kyle has the right to change it.

There are only a few possible reasons why the Devs would change their policies on hacking: 1) they realize that they can't stop people from doing it. 2) they don't want to be bothered with having to correct the issue. 3) the persons implicated in hacking have befriended the Devs, and therefore a personal issue occurs.

Any of those possibilities are not acceptable, not for Mods, and definitely not for Devs. You don't start a "new and improved" system in place to seek out, and identify hackers, by taking known hackers, and exploiters under your wing, and giving them more power, and authority than they already had.

You are not the Government, and you are not a Las Vegas casino, you don't need to inlist the help of criminals to help solve your problems. You ban the problem makers, and you wash your hands of the situation.

If you insist on not following through with your own policies, and bending the rules for whatever reason, then this project is going to sink like a rock. Trust will go out the window in half a day, and people will become, and remain skeptics towards anything that happens from now on.

It is uncomparably more important to fix server issues, and make head-way on this project then it will ever be to deal with hackers, find them, ban them, rinse, and repeat. I am not even going to get into the idiocracy of unbanning hackers, for ANY reason, I am pretty sure everyone on this server will concur on the currect course of action in that situation. I am also certain that if you are unbanning hackers, or exploiters, you will be second guessed for as long as you remain the leaders of this project.

I cannot stress enough, how important it is to remain focused on the project. If you cannot do that, then all is lost, and you might as well let amateurs run this project. Some people would argue that is already the case, and while their opinions might not matter to the Devs, it should factor in to how you decide to run your project.

Drama will run a muck on any project of this magnitude, amongst members, but when the Devs are in the middle of it, that is when major set-backs occur. While I would never try to tell Devs how to do their job, I am obligated to try and help them with ideas on how to resolve issues swifty, and permanently.

I wish you all well, and I hope to see the outcome of these issues resolved so that this project can get on track.
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Old 10-19-2009, 03:22 PM
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I was waiting on Tropicana to post.
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Old 10-19-2009, 03:35 PM
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First of all, I really am appalled by the childness, rule-breaking, rule-changing, brown-nosing, favoritism, and a great deal of other immature activity that has been going on recently.

I have not read all twenty-two pages of this thread, and honestly, even if I had, I probably wouldn't have gotten any information that would have benefited me for relevance of my post.

I remember the good ole' days when this project actually had morals, and dedication. Alas, those days are gone. From word of mouth alone, I can tell you what the issues are with this project, and from skimming over the OP of this thread, I can tell you that these issues are either not being addressed, or simply being ignored.

The policy of "No toleration of hacking, period" is not something that the Devs, as leaders, are allowed to bend, break, or manipulate. If you do not have the ability, or man-power to deal with the policies that you have implemented, then you need to think twice before you make them.

If someone is caught using third party programs, or actually "hacking" the game in an attempt to abuse the server that everyone else is playing on, it is an automatic perma-ban, no exceptions, whatsoever. That is the policy, and no one, not even Kyle has the right to change it.

There are only a few possible reasons why the Devs would change their policies on hacking: 1) they realize that they can't stop people from doing it. 2) they don't want to be bothered with having to correct the issue. 3) the persons implicated in hacking have befriended the Devs, and therefore a personal issue occurs.

Any of those possibilities are not acceptable, not for Mods, and definitely not for Devs. You don't start a "new and improved" system in place to seek out, and identify hackers, by taking known hackers, and exploiters under your wing, and giving them more power, and authority than they already had.

You are not the Government, and you are not a Las Vegas casino, you don't need to inlist the help of criminals to help solve your problems. You ban the problem makers, and you wash your hands of the situation.

If you insist on not following through with your own policies, and bending the rules for whatever reason, then this project is going to sink like a rock. Trust will go out the window in half a day, and people will become, and remain skeptics towards anything that happens from now on.

It is uncomparably more important to fix server issues, and make head-way on this project then it will ever be to deal with hackers, find them, ban them, rinse, and repeat. I am not even going to get into the idiocracy of unbanning hackers, for ANY reason, I am pretty sure everyone on this server will concur on the currect course of action in that situation. I am also certain that if you are unbanning hackers, or exploiters, you will be second guessed for as long as you remain the leaders of this project.

I cannot stress enough, how important it is to remain focused on the project. If you cannot do that, then all is lost, and you might as well let amateurs run this project. Some people would argue that is already the case, and while their opinions might not matter to the Devs, it should factor in to how you decide to run your project.

Drama will run a muck on any project of this magnitude, amongst members, but when the Devs are in the middle of it, that is when major set-backs occur. While I would never try to tell Devs how to do their job, I am obligated to try and help them with ideas on how to resolve issues swifty, and permanently.

I wish you all well, and I hope to see the outcome of these issues resolved so that this project can get on track.
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Old 10-19-2009, 03:36 PM
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I think Tropicana hit the nail on the head. Great read.
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Old 10-19-2009, 03:45 PM
Emokho Emokho is offline
 
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I guess the only question I can ask is prety simple here after reading the alst few pages. Is the rule of the EMU staff a republic or a democracy? The difference is prety simple:

A repbuplic is a system where the rules are the rules and must be followed by ALL persons in the community includeing those incharge. There may be a policy inplace to amend the rules but they usualy involve a lengthy process and an overwhelming majority of the governing and the governed to approve.

A democracy is where there are rules, but they are totaly flexable and changeable according to the whims of the governing body and people.

So which is it? are there rules that everyone must follow no matter who they are or are there rules that can be so easily bent and changed with whim?

Once again I believe if you cheat at a game you cannot win, and there is no winning in SWG, then you are the worst form of already contemptable group. If you are finding and reporting cheats to the staff for helping the server then you aren't cheating unless you continue to do so after you have descovered it, confirmed it, and reported it. If an individual is found acting in an inapropriate manner, I think they should be warned the first time, and if caught again they should be given no discourse except to apeal after the implimentation of thier punishment. Such an apeal ofcourse would find difficulty in overturning said punishment as proof of a first warning would be maintained aswell as any proof of the second offence.

Gods, I think I shoulda been a lawyer.

Edit: In adition since the main goal of the staff should be the completion of the project perhapse it would be wise to "hire" a few more CSRs to look into issues from the players who are farthest removed from them or when the need arises for an issue to be looked into perhapse "deputise" a player with no attachemnts to any party of the insident to fully look into the matter and report to the staff all of their finding and their suggested course of action as per the posted rules. Or mabey I'm crazy. I think it might be alot easier for the staff to say "we have an issue with so an so, you random player who knows none of the involved persons look into it" or "You CSR person who's job it is only to look into such matters check it out" than to take the time out of their development of the end product which we have all been waiting for since before many people here had to shave.
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Old 10-19-2009, 03:50 PM
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Nice post Tropicana.
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Old 10-19-2009, 03:55 PM
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i dont think ashor should even be considered an addition to the team with all the harrassment he does to players.
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Old 10-19-2009, 04:16 PM
Jondo Jondo is offline
 
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These are not the kind of people to be given staff privileges to.

C. STORM guild is retarded, full of griefing hackers, EVERYONE KNOWS IT, and you unban them and give them staff positions.
Here is actual proof that Valkyra's own guild uses exploits to advance to Jedi:



The irony is: this is THEIR video... (Don't bother taking down your video like NINE did, we have it recorded and will upload it ourselves if you attempt to hide the truth.)

You can hear one of them order the "disease bug" to be used early in the video (:36). Then at the end, they request the "disease bug" again on Mel. "Uh Oh, we have a problem. We're gonna need that disease bug now", guy says (3:30). "Its coming...its coming... if it loads" other guy says. You can see them apply the disease to Mel, then the video fades to black. Scene opens with Mel corpsed.

*THAT IS ACTUAL PROOF OF A GUILD EXPLOITING FOR JEDI FAME*

Valk, I don't know you, but you call STORM retarded? Far as I know they don't post videos of their exploits.

You, sir, are the retard for being STAFF and using abusive insulting and inflammatory remarks directed at players. If this was the "Real" internet, you would have just lost your job... As you grow into an adult, maybe you can take that as a lesson, dunno?

So... what kind of people do YOU think staff positions should be given to?

first and last post,
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Last edited by Jondo; 10-19-2009 at 04:17 PM. Reason: I didnt do my youtube link right, k?
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Old 10-19-2009, 04:17 PM
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The orange font is annoying! Good insight.
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Old 10-19-2009, 04:25 PM
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honestly, i appluade the EMU's team choice.... its not another nge ooooooo scary he said the n word.... its not praising an exploit..... its simply called a bug, id get used to it, your on TC. rubberbanding? big deal, i'm not dead or bleeding from the mouth. in fact i simply continue to play and look for bugs, /report if its already reported then i dont bother.... i keep playing.... which many do...

so what if the devs say, ashur is alright, he backed up his story, and had proof well let him back in... i garuntee if he does it again he'll get banned right up the butt... so what he found jedi, and he has force run.... all of a sudden its called an exploit? sure he'll skip around like the easter bunny.... and he greifs? hmmm last i checked the /ignor works.... i dont waste my time ingame yelling at other players... just like i dont waste my time yelling at my dinner table....

here's the way i see it.... since were on a TC, just play the game.... /report bugs.... /ignore players you dont like..... and surround yourself with good people =D.... why worry about someone having something you dont? jealousy? yeah seems like it... out raged like an angry mob outside the white house (being the EMU's team) just because something didn't go your way? yeah....

heh, dont waste your time.... nothing will go your way every time in a MMO... true its a sandbox, you have a opinion, but just like everyone else they have opionions and a say in things too.... people can defend themselves if they get in trouble... i supprot that, i support the maximum penalties if caught ruining gameplay for other players.....

thanks EMU team for implimenting these rules of conduct =D
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Old 10-19-2009, 04:35 PM
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Here is actual proof that Valkyra's own guild uses exploits to advance to Jedi:



The irony is: this is THEIR video... (Don't bother taking down your video like NINE did, we have it recorded and will upload it ourselves if you attempt to hide the truth.)

You can hear one of them order the "disease bug" to be used early in the video (:36). Then at the end, they request the "disease bug" again on Mel. "Uh Oh, we have a problem. We're gonna need that disease bug now", guy says (3:30). "Its coming...its coming... if it loads" other guy says. You can see them apply the disease to Mel, then the video fades to black. Scene opens with Mel corpsed.

*THAT IS ACTUAL PROOF OF A GUILD EXPLOITING FOR JEDI FAME*

Valk, I don't know you, but you call STORM retarded? Far as I know they don't post videos of their exploits.

You, sir, are the retard for being STAFF and using abusive insulting and inflammatory remarks directed at players. If this was the "Real" internet, you would have just lost your job... As you grow into an adult, maybe you can take that as a lesson, dunno?

So... what kind of people do YOU think staff positions should be given to?

first and last post,
Jondo out
Jondo, as much as I <3 you. I'm stepping in on this one. Get your facts straight first. The bug was reported by the person who found it, and he is the only one who knows how to make this said bug, and he isn't making it for anyone or passing it out. Also the person yelling to use the bug is not in the guild anymore, reasons undisclosed. There's a big difference in using a bugged disease, than using a third party program for speed hacking and purposely abusing it. The person who was calling out the bug in Vent that day had no right to try and get anyone to use this, and was straight up called out and *****ed at for doing so. His idiocy doesn't take account for the whole guild, so don't try to say everyone in StK is "exploiting". The person who found this bug even talked with a QA guy himself about this bug and the guy explained exactly to him how it was done and in no way is it even remotely exploiting anything. A bug is a bug, a program to hack, is just that. Note that ever since this bug was reported, it has not been used. Please get your rumors straight. <3

BTW: Val's not a "sir".
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Old 10-19-2009, 04:35 PM
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Here is actual proof that Valkyra's own guild uses exploits to advance to Jedi:



The irony is: this is THEIR video... (Don't bother taking down your video like NINE did, we have it recorded and will upload it ourselves if you attempt to hide the truth.)

You can hear one of them order the "disease bug" to be used early in the video (:36). Then at the end, they request the "disease bug" again on Mel. "Uh Oh, we have a problem. We're gonna need that disease bug now", guy says (3:30). "Its coming...its coming... if it loads" other guy says. You can see them apply the disease to Mel, then the video fades to black. Scene opens with Mel corpsed.

*THAT IS ACTUAL PROOF OF A GUILD EXPLOITING FOR JEDI FAME*

Valk, I don't know you, but you call STORM retarded? Far as I know they don't post videos of their exploits.

You, sir, are the retard for being STAFF and using abusive insulting and inflammatory remarks directed at players. If this was the "Real" internet, you would have just lost your job... As you grow into an adult, maybe you can take that as a lesson, dunno?

So... what kind of people do YOU think staff positions should be given to?

first and last post,
Jondo out
Actually it's not a bug, disease is intentionally (as far as the staff have labled it, unless it's been recently changed?) supposed to lower resists on Malichae over time.

However I question their intent to use a bug, even though they've mislabeled it, for Malichae. In the end I won't pass judgement on something I know nothing about (unlike Storm or Ashur ).
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Old 10-19-2009, 04:43 PM
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Actually it's not a bug, disease is intentionally (as far as the staff have labled it, unless it's been recently changed?) supposed to lower resists on Malichae over time.

However I question their intent to use a bug, even though they've mislabeled it, for Malichae. In the end I won't pass judgement on something I know nothing about (unlike Storm or Ashur ).
dude seriously are you that ignorant, the cm bug they were using isnt the lower resist thing, its the 1 shot cm bug , notice the enemy go from full to like 1/100k hp is 1 tick, come on get current
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