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Old 04-27-2010, 05:21 PM
Ekowraith Ekowraith is offline
 
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66.95% before poll "closed," 66.36% after poll "closed."

It was > 66% before and after the poll "closed."
Yeah, I understand that. I was only talking about the whole numbers before rounding (an error to which the SWGEmu layman is potentially prone) and offering a potential motive for what was obviously meddling.
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Old 04-27-2010, 05:22 PM
Caelera Caelera is offline
 
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I checked the poll just before it was taken down but already closed. The majority had 66.5% so they did not change the poll. Based on the amount of folks who cheat to prove their point or get what they want here, I wouldn't believe all these 'pictures' or whatnot. If the poll had been changed BEFORE it was closed, they might have a point but it wasn't. The majority had yes at the time the poll was closed and that didn't change.

The people who post here are not credible anymore. Some of you might say the same of the developers, who I must admit, never should have posted that poll, but I imagine they honestly didn't realize people would cheat on a poll. Rather than blaming the developers, why don't you look at your fellow players who couldn't stand to let the majority win fairly.
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Old 04-27-2010, 05:23 PM
Valdosemu Valdosemu is offline
 
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You mean 66% of the vote, instead of 67%. The results never fell below the 'threshhold' everyone was pushing for, even after the alleged and still otherwise completely pointless 'tampering.'

(Amusingly, did anyone else notice all the people voting 'no' insisting it was unfair to end the poll suddenly and how it had to run the full time, but were completely ready to close the thing as a "victory" the second the results dropped below 66%- thus closing off any additional votes? )
I noticed this.
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Old 04-27-2010, 05:23 PM
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In no way am I going to flame or QQ about the decision that was made because frankly I have only been playing in EMU now for about a week, that being said I would like to state that the inflation at this time is very high and understanding that it will eventually even out and that the credits will work there way out of the system over time. It is currently very frustrating for someone to get off the ground and I would very much like to see everything reset for a few months before the next wipe. Is that not the purpose of a TC?
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Old 04-27-2010, 05:25 PM
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Wow, guys, come on. If they had had a wipe who knows what would have happened and we won't until they do. Yes, some people donated, but at least your donation money isn't going towards some GMs drug addiction, right? :P
I really didn't mind if there had been a wipe and I would have lived with the blue frogs, but the reason they canceled everything is that the votes were messed up. Yes, that meant that nothing changed, but it doesn't mean nothing will. If the Devs decide otherwise I don't care.
Also, I thought double sunglasses was like a Newgrounds thing.
I really don't think the Devs were trying to be controlling but they were caught between a krayt dragon and a rancor. Ok, bad analogy.
Either way they were going to be ripped for their decision and even if they did cancel the poll because of fraudulent votes (people logging onto different university computers or connecting to neighbor's hot spots) they technically can't implement something they needed votes on the first place.
Yes, people are cheating, but maybe it is up to us to work together and do our best to keep the economy going. If it means I go out and train some skills and make good products that are affordable then so be it. I think it is more rewarding to help your fellow gamer than to dupe a million credits just so I can feel better about not being a real millionaire.
Of course, if I'm wrong, and the Devs had some ingenious, yet poorly worked out, plan to divide us and make us look stupid, then I say, that sucks. Turn the other cheek, just don't forget to wipe.
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Old 04-27-2010, 05:25 PM
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Tbh this thread is gonna be ninja deleted or the posts are gonna be removed or they'll make an excuse imo.

Also everyone is gonna get mega infractions.
I understand computers very well and I don't like it when things become "impossible under 'normal' circumstances.

So if the devs, mods, gms, and admins would like to enforce mega infractions on me; feel free to do so.

I know I'm not wrong, this is what I do for a living. Working on websites and make sure software works "as-advertised."

So if they feel I should be punished for taking a closer look at what happened, do so I won't complain.
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Old 04-27-2010, 05:25 PM
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The bottom line is it doesn't help them roll out a finished version any sooner. It would have made things more enjoyable for a lot of people who are playing right now, but the test center isn't built for playing. If the devs think the right thing is to not spend their time with a wipe then thats what is best.
NO.

The bottom line is.. they said one thing and did the opposite. If they weren't prepared to follow through with whatever the results came out as, they should've left it the heII alone.

A complete loss of any credibility.

Speaking about starting the polls in the first place.. never mind the screwed with results.

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Old 04-27-2010, 05:26 PM
Gray Mouser Gray Mouser is offline
 
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Tbh this thread is gonna be ninja deleted or the posts are gonna be removed or they'll make an excuse imo.

Also everyone is gonna get mega infractions.
Of anyone, at least you should for the furry pornographic picture of the gandalf frog's vagine. It's seriously disgusting.
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Old 04-27-2010, 05:26 PM
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and thats just what i caught at the tail end. the numbers were going in ways that really isn't possible most of the day which is why i started watching it at the end. it would get 200 votes and remain steady, then 30 and the percentage would change dramaticaly..so bulks of votes at a time were obviously used more than once.
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(Amusingly, did anyone else notice all the people voting 'no' insisting it was unfair to end the poll suddenly and how it had to run the full time, but were completely ready to close the thing as a "victory" the second the results dropped below 66%- thus closing off any additional votes? )
There is a possibility that one of the devs/mods tampered with the votes and another member of the team found out. This would explain the fluctuating % during the day and staying around 66%. It would also explain why the poll was closed + deleted (or moved to private forum) so suddenly when they previously said it would be up for 1-2 weeks.

Also this,
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Kyle still hasn't denied urging people in IRC to create accounts and vote NO, lol. I guess it's true.

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Old 04-27-2010, 05:26 PM
Ketzal Ketzal is offline
 
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....aaaand the whiners win again. Seems the crying tactics that ruined live are being used here.

The same people who duped holocrons, items, and credits are most likely the ones creating new accounts to vote no on the wipe and crying about their ill-gotten gains being taken away. From the poll, it was pretty clear that only a small percentage of players stated that they would not play if the server were wiped; I believe this number would be even smaller since some would probably still play regardless of what they stated in the poll. You are catering to a small percentage of the population that is not concerned with reporting glitches and bugs but rather exploiting them for their own short-term gains while cheating the community.

This is a test server, when there is a bug or problem, you fix it. There were problems that resulted in an unbalanced economy and game, they should be fixed.
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Old 04-27-2010, 05:26 PM
SinisterCowboy SinisterCowboy is offline
 
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I have a novel idea...quit taking polls and work on the OR....???? Like others had said, smells like SOE bull****....Quit acting like a bunch of tard kids and work on the OR....if people wanted polls and kid games, they'd still be playing the NGE.....regardless of a wipe or not, the devs have their pets who are shown how to dupe...it happens with publishers and will happen with the Emu...that's part of playing any game...live with it or don't play...but taking a poll and not carrying through with the majority is bull**** and the same bull**** that will drive peopel away...WORK ON THE OR and quit pissing around
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Old 04-27-2010, 05:30 PM
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Kyle still hasn't denied urging people in IRC to create accounts and vote NO, lol. I guess it's true.
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Old 04-27-2010, 05:31 PM
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I wanted to add poll results to this but it looks like that thread was ninja deleted.

EDIT:

Lucky for us, someone was smart enough to take a screen shot...

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And did you not read how a 66.6% majority was needed for a wipe? This was a righteous decision.

GOOD JOB DEVS! Forget this nonsense, and roll on with the OR. Then will we wipe this sandbox and get on with the real work!!!
mmmh itz more than 66.6% ..but ... who cares ....
stop QQ ... have fun sitting arround ... or check out other profs ..while waiting for the OR ..
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Old 04-27-2010, 05:32 PM
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Its not the lack of a wipe that has made people upset.

Its the fact we had to go through these last 2 days when there was ZERO percent chance of a wipe ever happening to begin with.
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Old 04-27-2010, 05:33 PM
Ekowraith Ekowraith is offline
 
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The same people who duped holocrons, items, and credits are most likely the ones creating new accounts to vote no on the wipe and crying about their ill-gotten gains being taken away.

Yep. It'd be like holding a referendum: "Should people who threaten others at the ballot box be held accountable for their crimes? Y/N?". The outcome would very likely be illegitimate.

In most cases, closing a poll on the basis of people doubling accounts to vote is already absurd because the illegitimate votes are as likely to be "yes" as they are "no". But in this case it's especially heinous because the individuals who have a history of unfair play in this community would have something to gain by voting "no". To close the polls due to foul play and decide in favor of the minority who was more likely to be duping votes is senseless, unfair, and rewarding bad behavior.

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