[Re-Revised] TC:NOVA Wipe Proposal

[Mahonra]

Originally Posted by Worlack

Wipe it. At the very least it might get some of these drama *****s to stfu.

And NO to blue frogs. With the experience amount set to what it currently is, those that are mad about regrinding need to go back to WoW. It's an utter joke to master a profession.

And what about people who have:

Master Rifleman
Master Swordsman
Master Doc
Master Ranger
Master WS.

Its not a JOKE to have to regrind 6 alts. I personally only have Mahonra and Tigarra. But I know a LOT of people with at least 6 or more alts.

[Karde]

No.. Why? Cheaters always find a way. a Wipe would only hinder them for some weeks and then it would start over, thus only ****ing people over who Grinded Doctor/armor/weaponsmith etc. like Mahonra said...

The Best Solution in this case would be to ignore it. Cheaters always will be there and nothing will stop them forever.

@Tonkatuff : A 2xxx-5xxx Legendary t21 would oneshot you...6 times over :P


Edit: No iam Not a Cheater and neither do i approve of it.. But i just stated a hard fact

[tonkatuff]

Originally Posted by Karde

No.. Why? Cheaters always find a way. a Wipe would only hinder them for some weeks and then it would start over, thus only ****ing people over who Grinded Doctor/armor/weaponsmith etc. like Mahonra said...

The Best Solution in this case would be to ignore it. Cheaters always will be there and nothing will stop them forever.

@Tonkatuff : A 2xxx-5xxx Legendary t21 would oneshot you...6 times over :P

Did you play back in the day? There was no such thing as a 2k+ T21. The very rare / few legendary T21s / Phammers back in the day were 1.4kish tops. The dots were killer on them. Every weapon you see now is legendary quality. A weapon off a sentinel (with a good luck roll) is TONS better than the legendarys off of DJM / Ancient Krayts. It shouldnt be that way period.

[roodypooh]

Originally Posted by Ashur

not the bowcaster, i have a similar one, and it doesnt come close to 1shot jedi thru FA2, but it drains their force fast

plus you VERY RARELY seen those types of weapons live.....maybe 1-2 on server and the rest were mainly normal. Nothing like now where everyones running around with the same high damage weapons.

[OlisJ]

Originally Posted by Mahonra

And what about people who have:

Master Rifleman
Master Swordsman
Master Doc
Master Ranger
Master WS.

Its not a JOKE to have to regrind 6 alts. I personally only have Mahonra and Tigarra. But I know a LOT of people with at least 6 or more alts.

There are people with a dozen full template alts, I know quite a few myself included.

[CrackPipe2011]

I just want frog skills.... not gear

[Adler1984]

I must say that something telling for me...is that a large number of "wipe" advocates not only have caveats but also are advocating "fast easy ways to master a profession" (i.e. blue frogs) "just to start". Yet after a bit of time we know the frogs would go away, thus screwing over anyone who came after the frog time. I almost have to wonder if a main motivation some people's desire for a wipe is to be able to GET the blue frogs so they don't have to grind to get a profession, thus being all "set up" with minimal effort to become the next "uberleets" on the server. Hmmmm...

Granted, this isn't an accusation or anything, just noticing an interesting correlation between those who are wanting the wipe and those advocating blue frogs.

[CrackPipe2011]

Originally Posted by Adler1984

I must say that something telling for me...is that a large number of "wipe" advocates not only have caveats but also are advocating "fast easy ways to master a profession" (i.e. blue frogs) "just to start". Yet after a bit of time we know the frogs would go away, thus screwing over anyone who came after the frog time. I almost have to wonder if a main motivation some people's desire for a wipe is to be able to GET the blue frogs so they don't have to grind to get a profession, thus being all "set up" with minimal effort to become the next "uberleets" on the server. Hmmmm...

Considering half the people voting for frogs have a fully grounded out jedi...

PvP was awesome when the frogs where in. That's why i want them back. It's dead atm.

[Mahonra]

Originally Posted by Adler1984

I must say that something telling for me...is that a large number of "wipe" advocates not only have caveats but also are advocating "fast easy ways to master a profession" (i.e. blue frogs) "just to start". Yet after a bit of time we know the frogs would go away, thus screwing over anyone who came after the frog time. I almost have to wonder if a main motivation some people's desire for a wipe is to be able to GET the blue frogs so they don't have to grind to get a profession, thus being all "set up" with minimal effort to become the next "uberleets" on the server. Hmmmm...

Granted, this isn't an accusation or anything, just noticing an interesting correlation between those who are wanting the wipe and those advocating blue frogs.

Hey! I have a full template Jedi AND a Master Bounty Hunter. Both of which are the hardest and longest grinds of all professions. So trust me I am not advocating BLUE FROGS as a means of a "fast and easy" way.

And I think BLUE FROGS should remain in game until the OR. But they shouldn't give items. Only skills.

[Kufu]

Originally Posted by Adler1984

I must say that something telling for me...is that a large number of "wipe" advocates not only have caveats but also are advocating "fast easy ways to master a profession" (i.e. blue frogs) "just to start". Yet after a bit of time we know the frogs would go away, thus screwing over anyone who came after the frog time. I almost have to wonder if a main motivation some people's desire for a wipe is to be able to GET the blue frogs so they don't have to grind to get a profession, thus being all "set up" with minimal effort to become the next "uberleets" on the server. Hmmmm...

Granted, this isn't an accusation or anything, just noticing an interesting correlation between those who are wanting the wipe and those advocating blue frogs.

No for most of us that want frogs it isn't about having 30 full temp toons. It;s about getting back what we are going to lose without having to spend hours and hours to do it. Even with a frog my toons that are mastered will still be the same as they are now. We are not looking for items only skills. It's a middle ground opton.

We ged ride of all the duped items/credits and bring some sort of balance back however short lived it will be none of us know, and get a few new features. I for one still would rather not have this wipe right now, but if it's comming then please consider the frogs as an option and get the wipe done, because like a lot of people i have no desire to do crap right now just to have it all undone in a couple days.

[Adler1984]

Originally Posted by Kufu

No for most of us that want frogs it isn't about having 30 full temp toons. It;s about getting back what we are going to lose without having to spend hours and hours to do it. Even with a frog my toons that are mastered will still be the same as they are now. We are not looking for items only skills. It's a middle ground opton.

We ged ride of all the duped items/credits and bring some sort of balance back however short lived it will be none of us know, and get a few new features. I for one still would rather not have this wipe right now, but if it's comming then please consider the frogs as an option and get the wipe done, because like a lot of people i have no desire to do crap right now just to have it all undone in a couple days.

I understand the sentiment on the frogs, but the question is, how long do they stay up, when do they get removed, can all chars or just one use them, etc...?
Too many unexplained variables overall in this whole proposal, hence me saying try using this as a test vote to see what the interest level is, then put together all the information and have an official vote with ALL the info in place.

[Kufu]

Originally Posted by Adler1984

I must say that something telling for me...is that a large number of "wipe" advocates not only have caveats but also are advocating "fast easy ways to master a profession" (i.e. blue frogs) "just to start". Yet after a bit of time we know the frogs would go away, thus screwing over anyone who came after the frog time. I almost have to wonder if a main motivation some people's desire for a wipe is to be able to GET the blue frogs so they don't have to grind to get a profession, thus being all "set up" with minimal effort to become the next "uberleets" on the server. Hmmmm...

Granted, this isn't an accusation or anything, just noticing an interesting correlation between those who are wanting the wipe and those advocating blue frogs.

No for most of us that want frogs it isn't about having 30 full temp toons. It;s about getting back what we are going to lose without having to spend hours and hours to do it. Even with a frog my toons that are mastered will still be the same as they are now. We are not looking for items only skills. It's a middle ground opton.

We get ride of all the duped items/credits and bring some sort of balance back however short lived it will be none of us know, and get a few new features. I for one still would rather not have this wipe right now, but if it's comming then please consider the frogs as an option and get the wipe done, because like a lot of people i have no desire to do crap right now just to have it all undone in a couple days.

[darnoc]

Wipe with no frogs, test that

[JonnyMe]

Let me throw a statistic in here, all the jedis and credit dupers are voting no, everyone else is voting yes.

Anyone disagree?

[tonkatuff]

Originally Posted by JonnyMe

Let me throw a statistic in here, all the jedis and credit dupers are voting no, everyone else is voting yes.

Anyone disagree?

Me and my friend both have full temp Jedi's and we voted yes.... to a full wipe. The game , be it test center or otherwise is REALLY out of balance. It needs to be fixed. I can see them **** canning all gear , but not wiping the characters, which is probably the best thing.