[Re-Revised] TC:NOVA Wipe Proposal

[obi2canobi]

From a personal standpoint I would like to keep the character I was working on (8 master profs @ 1 month in). However, if the only readily available & fair solution to fix the known issues with the economy, loot, game-play or whatever is a server wipe then so be it.

I could be incorrect but from what I understand in order to wipe items/credits it would require accounts being handled on an individual basis which would be time consuming.

Dropping blue frogs for a bit and keeping the exp multiplier (or even increasing it for like 2-3 weeks) in place like we already have will likely smooth the transition if you guys decide to do it.

It might even result in better guild/group organization, player crafting and actual PvP since I've seen little to none of it on this server.

PS- Those black & yellow frogs pictured somewhere will wreck your day if you decide to touch/lick them.....

[SanaF1]

And even if the players would be impossible to restore, then put on the last day of the Gungan and to be able to take his profession Jedi, so many players rejoice)))

[Traxian]

Well...

A few hours ago I made Master Ranger, and was well on my way up Rifleman. Did that all legitimately.

However, I did all that with the knowledge that this is a test server for a game that could be wiped at any time...

On The Economy:

The economy in the game right now does seem very off-balance, with multi-million credit purchases seemingly flying left and right at the high level, and that level seemingly being unreachable.

The fixes proposed do seem like they will at least temporarily prevent the kind of artificially altered economy the game currently finds itself with. If nothing else, it will allow us to see that credit/resource/item/etc duping methods still exist, and fix those accordingly for the OR. It may also indicate that further "credit sinks" need to be added to the game, to counter inflation. Impossible to say with the current claimed credit duping.

On Jedi:

The amount of Jedi is really a fundamental problem WITH Star Wars Galaxies Pre-CU, not just the emulator. It's an arguably elite class, with what so far has been a "guideable" unlocking system. Those who achieve Jedi quickly reveal the path information, and then a massive part of the player base begins a Jedi grind, which some dislike.

The end result though is a large number of an arguably elite class, in a game with PVP, and in a game set in an era where that elite class is supposed to be in hiding and all but wiped out. In Pre-CU SWG this irked the player base, and it seems to irk the player base here too.

What will "fix" the Jedi situation that some see as unacceptable? I don't know. It's difficult to imagine an "Unlock" system that will please everyone. I have confidence in the Emu devs, but it will certainly take testing.

Which brings me to my conclusion...

It seems to me vital that the economy and Jedi system of the game be tested to relative stability BEFORE the official release.

Imagine if you will that credit duping abounds one year into the official release. Do you wipe the server then when you can't say "Well, it's a test server..."?

Surely, the poll would not be leaning toward "Yes" if it were posed at that hypothetical time, not when people have invested so much into an experience that they trusted would be preserved.

What if the Jedi system proves ineffective and too large a portion of the player base only plays to achieve it? Again, it's too late to justifiably do much about it once they're there. Those players earned the character on a server meant for general play.

Better to test the Jedi system and economy fixes NOW, before the official release.

So I say yes. Let's wipe TC:Nova and implement those changes.

And since everyone seems to have a little "Well, if you fix this...", here's mine.

If it's not too much time and effort to do so as to delay OR, if the script for creature sizes could be altered to avoid microscopic Banthas and invisible Worts, and released as part of these fixes, I feel that would be a TREMENDOUS benefit to the feel of the game while we wait for OR.

... I'm so tired of seeing tiny tiny Banthas.

[Kiora]

having a general idea of when the wipe would happen heavily weighs on my decision (if that's been posted somewhere, sorry, but there are pages and pages to sort through). i don't want to play if we're going to be wiped in a week, 2 weeks, even a month. it would be a waste of time to me. however, i just started playing again (i quit shortly after the CU came out) so i guess my viewpoint is slightly different from others who are used to this sort of situation.

majority speaks, though, and it almost seems indefinite to me. so please, if you're going to wipe, put in blue frogs for novice professions so i'll be tempted to play every now and then. ;)

[AlmightyGrain]

i honestly dont think you realize that this wipe really doesnt benefit the server or the progression of the emulator at all. even with a new jedi system, ppl are going to figure it out and post guides on the forums in a few months time. at the moment we already get double xp. Also, CH will come with or after the OR and not before.

There is no guide to becoming a jedi my friend, holocrons tell u like 4 proffessions u need then there are 1-2 MYSTERY professions for your toon. The key is NOBODY knows what profession to master to unlock a fs slot.

[cable-odinson]

fully wipe the LOT. What is the point of allowing exploiters and hackers the freedom to do what they want. Possibly consider giving all player characters some extra-support when starting again (Like a blue-frog where you can have 1 fully grinded toon to start with)

[jafo5]

fully wipe the LOT. What is the point of allowing exploiters and hackers the freedom to do what they want. Possibly consider giving all player characters some extra-support when starting again (Like a blue-frog where you can have 1 fully grinded toon to start with)

Then ban them... wiping serves no purpose they will just find another way to exploit the system

[Adler1984]

I agree that the core issue at hand is that this is a test server, and wipes should be expected... however, wipes on a test server generally happen when NEW content is added that is needing to be tested to further the development of the game. As I read the current proposal for the wipe, there isn't anything that actually would be coming into the new-wiped version of the server except, possibly, a changed Jedi unlock system. All this does is address economic/duping issues that DO NOT affect the actual testing of the server. It could make the community happy or it could piss off people who put in a lot of time into the game in order to progress to a point where they are now.

Either way, whatever happens, I won't be HUGELY affected as I just got to a point where I have characters set up, harvest toons at the ready, etc... However, I can see this being a completely counter-productive move as it doesn't actually DO anything that cannot be re-instigated later.

Some of the arguments for are kind of...short term minded...

Fixing the issue of too many Jedi: This is only a short term solution as once the new system is figured out (barring there being so many bugs that the devs have to rollback to the old system) someone will post a guide on the forums about it and people will start unlocking. Barring actually making some accounts NOT CAPABLE of unlocking, you will always have the possibility of lots of Jedi.

Fixing credit/item duping, and therefore the economy: This assumes that there aren't other dupes that players won't be able to figure out over the course of the time between the proposed wipe and the OR. Otherwise we'll have had a complete server wipe that ended up with the same result down the road.

Fixing/changing crafting to where it's more on par with loots: I would like more details on this one, as if they mean there would be a lessening of the quality of loot weapons, and a bump in the quality of resources (plus enabling schematics maybe for things like DXR6 Rifles, RIS Armor, Scythes, etc...) then this would definitely be a nice thing for PLAYABILITY of a crafter. It does NOT, however, TEST anything that would be added to the OR or SC.

I would like to see the forum admins possibly RE POST this whole idea, and let people vote with ALL the information as stated. I have to wonder how many yes votes would change to no and how many no votes would switch to yes.

Oh and PS...No blue frogs please... Being able to insta-master, even if "to get the testing rolling" is cheap. When LAUNCH happened in ANY game, you didn't have insta-masters, so why on EMU?

Hope the constructive posts are able to be read out of the mess that this thread has become.

[Ama-Ebi]

What we propose changing
* Revising the jedi unlock
* Implementing credit duping fixes
* Implementing item duping fixes
* Better equalizing crafted items and looted item quality
* Fixing bazaar exploits

This would mean that everything would be deleted; characters, accounts, items, etc. We will NOT consider any partial deletes because they would just cause big problems.

Advantages: Duped economy would be reset, jedi would be more of a mystery again.
Disadvantages: Everything done on TC for the last 6 months would be gone.



First off, I'm grateful for the opportunity to play this game again. Regardless of what is decided, I'll be in game. It's been great to play with old friends and meet new friends on Nova.

This is a 'test server', so I understand nothing is ever permanent. If the proposed changes will truly benefit the final project, then I'm all for whatever needs to be done in light of the 'big picture'.

With that being said, if there was some new content being added for testing (ie CH,BE,DE,housing...backpacks,etc) then that would be something for me to get excited over. The proposed changes listed really aren't enough for me to understand why such a drastic measure needs to be taken at this point. I know I'm often one taco short of a combination plate...mmm...that sounds good right about now.

It seems like everything will be wiped because of the actions of 'some' in regards to cheating or w/e. Based on that assumption, I'll vote 'no' on the wipe.

[SanaF1]

When will you clean the server?

[Wesker1030]

The wipe would be a great idea only if the needed content where to be added. There are tons of players whom worked pretty hard to get where they are and why would they work that hard a 3rd time?

The wipe is a fine idea, however this wipe is not bringing anything new except some exploit fixes. Which I don't feel you need to wipe out months of work for, I just think everyone should weigh the options and the facts a bit before you guys do anything.

[Kiora]

Oh and PS...No blue frogs please... Being able to insta-master, even if "to get the testing rolling" is cheap. When LAUNCH happened in ANY game, you didn't have insta-masters, so why on EMU?


because most games that are launched by big, corporate companies have already gone through enough testing to actually be launched. obviously we're not at that point.

[OlisJ]

I don't mind spending time until OR on this TC, wipe would destroy moths worth effort to collect materials for good armor crafting. Knowing how often named resources spawn and how quality is random it would set me back by 3-4 months from the point I am right now. Same goes for doctor and weaponsmith crafting.

[Twiz]

There is no guide to becoming a jedi my friend, holocrons tell u like 4 proffessions u need then there are 1-2 MYSTERY professions for your toon. The key is NOBODY knows what profession to master to unlock a fs slot.

thats the pre cu holocron unlock, the system here is completely different. your obviously new around here so let me be the first to welcome you. im sorry to say though that there has been numerous jedi unlock guides in the jedi forums. the holocron unlock system doesnt exist and in its place is a POI/Badge/ Rumor unlock system. Completely guidable

[tehmulletman]

same here OlisJ but still it needs to be done

[salem]

Yes wipe

[SpoytoR]

If wipe would really help the server, I say YES, wipe it. :lightsaber:

[carlossanchez1980]

I think that the object and credits wipe would be great, but unless you can upgrade some of the "work in progress" professions this wipe will only paliate for some time the unbalanced economy. When BE, DE, Arch, housing, factory crating, etc... get avaliable the real "community" economy will start to rise. In my oppinion, this only benefits casual players, that (still an oppinion) don't benefit the real testing just the server stress.

In other hand any staff member can /examine my account to see that i don't have high amounts of money, in fact i didn't ever had more than 200k, but i've spent a lot of time setting up some services, that i think really help testing. Doctor, dancer/musician, I/D, resource sampling for my WS, in order to make some weapons, etc... I don't look for being a Jedi, i only want to stablish for me a well rounded self sufficent economy.

Wipe the bazaar, set down the "ubber" high weapon drop rate and calm the thousands of wannabejedi till the OR. But don't wipe skills.

[krachera]

imo we should not wipe until OR are ready to go live.

If there are a wipe we should either:

1.put the current OR code on ,(think this will bring us back to the sate we was at 3 years ago. Not realy prefered since we will lose active players)

2. Put back the blue frogs so atleast we don't have to grind skills. (Fair middle ground for both camps)

[Barber]

same here OlisJ but still it needs to be done

No it doesn't, there is no need for this wipe just ban the players that were involved. Easy fix. If it does happen oh well. A wipe isn't justified unless we get some new content and I mean CH PLOX

[Qui-Larek]

Unless new features are to be added I cannot see the benefit of wiping the server (duped credits and some haked weapons are not reason enough in my eyes) but can certainly see that a few people might well say that if this has happened once it will happen again and decide not to play until Suncrusher is launched.

If the causes are know then certainly impliment a fix if possible but I do not see the solution to item issues / credit dupes as a server wipe. I can only speak personally but if the server is wiped without new features added as a result I would have to strongly consider if I will continue at this point, im probably not the only one thinking this.

However, it probably all comes down to when the OR will be finished. If the OR is say 3 months away and you are going to wipe the server now and then again for OR in 3 months then definatly dont do it but if the OR is 18months away then this is a different story.

[Jengu-fet]

The wipe would be a great idea only if the needed content where to be added. There are tons of players whom worked pretty hard to get where they are and why would they work that hard a 3rd time?

They worked that hard fully knowing there would be a wipe in the future. And there will be another wipe after this one (if successful) too so don't pull the sympathy card.

[wildkan]

ok this is my oppinion on the controverse matter wich is a server wipe just before OR.
There are two types of ppl talking here..well 3 but the third grp does not apply to what im about to say.

1st- u have your NO grp- they rely on several issues BUT the one they most tresure, wich is loosing either jedi/imba market magnat/imba weapon drops...etc..no these guys try to threat DEVS by the sheer prospect of loosing 40% of their "customers" wich in my math 1000 players i seen logging, im glad 400 of you nabs are gone, other salvage boat the NO ppl have is the OR, claiming its not worth it before the OR itself happens, and this NO grp list goes on and on...honestly i have no sympathy for ppl that deflect their true motives almost randomly to achiev their own goals, and i have NO patience to pretend otherwise

2nd- the YES grp - well the pool says for it self these will sacrifice everything they achieved, ither little or much in order to come to a balanced gameplay wich does not happen as im typing this post
I myself im not a hypocrit for i achieved much in the 1 month im playing but the prospective of having a temporary balance is good enough for me.

3rd grp- simply ppl that dont care

oh and by the way im not of english speaking contry so bear with me,in fact if u could speak my language as well i can speak yours, you should be most pleased ;)

RESET SERVER for it is a test server and as the name indicates ITS FOR TESTING, not threatning devs with possible(and unlikely) repercussions of a server reset..more good will come than harm that im sure.

thx for reading

[Letesh]

Change we can believe in? Ive heard that before....

[RegularJohn]

Wipe it. This is a TC after all, and people needs to get somewhat used to wipes. Plus that it will be a fresh, new and better player environment which will keep people busy until the OR. Other than that I dont really have any good pro-wipe arguments, apart from my gut feeling that says it's a wise choice.

[Barber]

They worked that hard fully knowing there would be a wipe in the future. And there will be another wipe after this one (if successful) too so don't pull the sympathy card.

um, only if they needed to do the wipe, which in fact they don't except babies QQing about people with duped credits. I'm one of the poorest people i know and I don't complain about it. It's not like it's omgthisiscompletelybrokenandwecantplaywithoutawipe . And honestly with the OR coming up soon whats the point of testing when the codes, going to be changed, The OR will Fix and break things.

another point is this, sure they will fix the duping but cheaters will always find a new way and a new method, now you can ask your self why is that? heres the answer cause they love to cheat. Here's a fix starting throwing out temp bans for a first offense and a perma ban for a second offense if they don't learn the first time they never will. End of story.

[Z Ray]

Yeah i am sure tons of people are reading your 2 page posts.

1. TC should be wiped at least once a month to prevent over-tardage.

2. People will play this game when its done no matter how many times its wiped.

3. Exploits are what makes the TC fun and its better people are doing them now so that there is time to fix before 1.0 and limit the exploits then. I for one love to have fun with exploits that are on the TC, will I do it on 1.0? No.

[Twiz]

imo we should not wipe until OR are ready to go live.

If there are a wipe we should either:

1.put the current OR code on ,(think this will bring us back to the sate we was at 3 years ago. Not realy prefered since we will lose active players)

2. Put back the blue frogs so atleast we don't have to grind skills. (Fair middle ground for both camps)

downside to frogs is longevity. how long do you want to play a game that just hands you and everyone else skills?

and honestly even tho the poll right now is landsliding for "yes" i really think the devs should look at all the valid points that people who have voted "no" posted here. there has been a few valid points for "yes" but most, not all, are just saying "wipe it" without a justifiable reason why to wipe it.

[Horge]

/quit till OR.. i get on like a week ago, once it all seems like theres no wipe in the immediate future. Grind my ass off. make some money. and now its a wipe. I'm over it. And if the OR takes another year.. ill probably be over it too.. :/

[Ursus]

We all knew a wipe was comming. It doesnt effect me either way really, as my enjoyment comes from playing the game, not being the uber smack talker. I voted no though, because you're treating the symptons, not the disease. Cheaters are the real issue here, and until dupers/hackers/cheaters are delt with, new illness will occur with this TC.

[AlmightyGrain]

thats the pre cu holocron unlock, the system here is completely different. your obviously new around here so let me be the first to welcome you. im sorry to say though that there has been numerous jedi unlock guides in the jedi forums. the holocron unlock system doesnt exist and in its place is a POI/Badge/ Rumor unlock system. Completely guidable

Your absolutely right. I can happily say im a noob to this server and only 3-4 hard days of grinding will be lost for me. Hope to hell they improve on that jedi system. I can only add things that i remember had made the game such a winner before SOE dropped it on it's head.

[Snowtigre]

Well the theroy goes that all the people who say no are either People With Jedi's or they have duped Credit's and don't know how to grind Real money..



Waahaaa.... I'm going to Lose my JEDI...

Waahaaaaaa... I'm going to lose all my Duped Money...

ROLF...

Wipe the system Please...


J:cool:

[Spun]

I have a valid point for voting to wipe. But let me preface my remarks by saying that I honestly would be just fine whether it's wiped or not, I only hope that if it does happen it's soon.

My point is that I believe there is an overabundance of dot weapons. It wasn't like that on live and I feel that is just a flaw in the loot tables. I believe there would be alot more pvp if they do infact fix issues with the loot tables like they are suggesting.

[CleanRabbit]

Wipe the server. Character progression on a TEST server is irrelevant. We all play on the TC in the full knowledge that everything we accomplish in game will be destroyed eventually, so do it.

It'll be a shame to loose what we've all worked so hard for, but that's the price we all pay for 'gaming' instead of testing.

CR

[Qui-Larek]

One last point.

A lot of people currently not playing will be watching this thread as it in part sets the scene for how issues are to be dealt with going forward. A lot of others from my guild have stayed away from the EMU as they were concerned about the frequency of wipes and decided to wait until the OR is finished but if the solution to current issues is wipe then how will this pan out in the future?

It is fair to say that all of these current issues were experienced on live (and many more) however never once was a server wiped as a result. Credits that are duped have a way of spreading over the community and items decay and dissapear.

If you use this ultimate last resort action now it is fair to say it may be used again and I dont think anyone deep down would want a server wipe if they actually took some time to think about it.

[Ashur]

Yeaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaas

[Israfel]

This is a TEST sever... wipe it!!!!
If people want to continue to play with exploits in the game go log onto battlenet and play diablo and have a blast!!
Too all the Folmar dupers and exploiters if/when the wipe goes ahead........ welcome back to "live", where once again with out exploits you were non factors.

ELL OHH ELL!!!

[Snowtigre]

Duped Credit's.. Easy to get JEDI, an dabbundance of DoT weapon's..

Character's easy to grind..

Wipe the server..

Let's see who stick's around..

J

[logan24r]

Why make us suffer thru two wipes instead of only one, so what if some people cheated, they wont have the extra stuff for long anyway!

[Ashur]

wipe it ALL and.....

REMOVE JEDI COMPLETLY

[Twiz]

I have a valid point for voting to wipe. But let me preface my remarks by saying that I honestly would be just fine whether it's wiped or not, I only hope that if it does happen it's soon.

My point is that I believe there is an overabundance of dot weapons. It wasn't like that on live and I feel that is just a flaw in the loot tables. I believe there would be alot more pvp if they do infact fix issues with the loot tables like they are suggesting.

Spun, excellent point. I too, think that DOT weapons are OP for the most part but honestly do you think a full wipe is required to fix that problem?

[Wraith-]

What it really boils down to is this, if this was a FULL restart, not just six months worth but EVERYONE restarted from the begining AND it was NEEDED to FURTHER the PROGRESS of the GAME I would be the first one to say Hell yea, wipe it....but it just isn't. I Vote NO. don't waste all our time just to fix something that will be fixed with the OR.

[Israfel]

One last point.

It is fair to say that all of these current issues were experienced on live (and many more) however never once was a server wiped as a result. Credits that are duped have a way of spreading over the community and items decay and dissapear.

If you use this ultimate last resort action now it is fair to say it may be used again and I dont think anyone deep down would want a server wipe if they actually took some time to think about it.


It was never wiped on live beause THIS IS TEST SERVER IT IS MEANT TO BE WIPED UNLIKE LIVE... so making a comparison between the 2 as the crutch of your argument is quite useless and undermines your own position.

Comparing a Test Server to a LIVE server = WIN!!!

[madman158]

Wipe it. I just come back to playing the game. Now i have put in some long grind time (nothing better to do no job). I want to move forward and see this thing go live one day and if this is what it takes lets do it.

[Hujskurwyszn]

I vote yes if the dev's feel its necessary, I do agree to a point that if after the wipe the game is as it was then I probably will not log in again until OR, whats the point? Every error/bug i've found has already been reported and is known so aside from getting my much needed fix of this game until OR the economy problems are a moot issue since OR will reset all anyway. if the duping/hacking etc happened but has been addressed so that it cant happen now in OR then let us play on until OR.

Then why did you vote yes? Just because you thought it would please the DEVS? Why are so many people voting yes then turning around and stating they will not log back in if it is wiped until OR?

[Ashur]

it doesnt take a long time to grind.

[Snowtigre]

Wipe it..

Sorry there have been wipe's in the past... So what does a few xtra wipe's matter..

we are all in here for the ACTIVE test of a TEST CENTRE.. so they wipe to see that the system they want for jedi's work's.. Fix the economy..


just WIPE it... LoL

LEt's hear the JEDI fan Boi's scream.. ROLF

[Spun]

Spun, excellent point. I too, think that DOT weapons are OP for the most part but honestly do you think a full wipe is required to fix that problem?

If it was just to fix that one issue then I would say no. I don't really know the extent of the exploiting and duping but it is severe enough that we're all here now in this thread. If they fix the drop rate of dot weapons and take jedi off easy mode then I'm all for that and I think that could only be implemented with a wipe. Even if those are the only substantial changes we get until the OR I'd be happy with it.

[Barber]

I could careless about my jedi. I voted no, only because they are leaving out something they need to fix, and that is group xp.

[Baigs]

Well the theroy goes that all the people who say no are either People With Jedi's or they have duped Credit's and don't know how to grind Real money..



Waahaaa.... I'm going to Lose my JEDI...

Waahaaaaaa... I'm going to lose all my Duped Money...

ROLF...

Wipe the system Please...


J:cool:


that is extremely callous and will say a theory that is a relevant as the one stating that the earth is flat.

I voted yes.. but I know that many in my guild will vote no.. No Jedi, No massive amounts of credits or uber leet gear/weapons to cause them to vote this way.. They just want the wipe to be a wipe to mean something.

Just remember the first three letter in ASSUME are usual a good verbal representation of the one who is doing the assuming.

[ail45]

If it was just to fix that one issue then I would say no. I don't really know the extent of the exploiting and duping but it is severe enough that we're all here now in this thread. If they fix the drop rate of dot weapons and take jedi off easy mode then I'm all for that and I think that could only be impleneted with a wipe. Even if those are the only substantial changes we get until the OR I'd be happy with it.

agreed, if the wipe should come let it at least fix other problems as well.

like maybe droids, creature handler, etc.

[Wraith-]

I RE-state, if the wipe is done as planned it wont be a full wipe, it will ONLY be the past 6 months....any Jedi or items or money or resources from before then will remain. The playing field will NOT BE equal as some of you are thinking it will be. If your going to do more then one wipe do a FULL wipe, knock EVERYONE back to the begining and then when the OR comes out, wipe again...sounds silly to do it that many times...but oh well thats what we get for playing on a Test Server. So I say FULL WIPE or stop wasting our time and lets get the OR out!

[Spun]

I RE-state, if the wipe is done as planned it wont be a full wipe, it will ONLY be the past 6 months....any Jedi or items or money or resources from before then will remain. The playing field will NOT BE equal as some of you are thinking it will be. If your going to do more then one wipe do a FULL wipe, knock EVERYONE back to the begining and then when the OR comes out, wipe again...sounds silly to do it that many times...but oh well thats what we get for playing on a Test Server. So I say FULL WIPE or stop wasting our time and lets get the OR out!

They've already stated it will be a full account wipe if they do one at all.

[Raydowning]

I'm new to TC:Nova but if it adds more content to the game then yes go ahead and wipe maybe even put is space so I can fly agen :-)


Onium Starchaser - TC:Nova
Onium Starchaser - SWG Shadowfire

[Wraith-]

Advantages: Duped economy would be reset, jedi would be more of a mystery again.
Disadvantages: Everything done on TC for the last 6 months would be gone.


Whats that say Spun? Read a little instead of going for big headlines!

[Spun]

Advantages: Duped economy would be reset, jedi would be more of a mystery again.
Disadvantages: Everything done on TC for the last 6 months would be gone.


Whats that say Spun? Read a little instead of going for big headlines!

How about reading the sentences above that buddy before calling someone else out for something you missed.

This would mean that everything would be deleted; characters, accounts, items, etc. We will NOT consider any partial deletes because they would just cause big problems.

Advantages: Duped economy would be reset, jedi would be more of a mystery again.
Disadvantages: Everything done on TC for the last 6 months would be gone.

[Twiz]

agreed, if the wipe should come let it at least fix other problems as well.

like maybe droids, creature handler, etc.

those are features and they wont be added till atleast OR. Only Things that this wipe is proposing is new jedi unlock system, duping fix (which prolly last long), exploiting fix (wont last very long), equalizing looted and crafted weapons, and bazaar sploit fix.

Good Crafted weapons would prolly take awhile to develop because of resource spawns

[Vlada]

Doesn't matter what i think, poll results are pretty clear.

[Barber]

so far it doesn't look like there isn't going to be a wipe, honestly either way it doesn't bother me, i have a jedi, i have credits i didn't dupe. But seriously one part of this game I always loved was the fact that you could group up with your friends like everyone other MMO, however right now its more beneficial to grind solo because of group experience being broken. So this is for the dev's if there is a wipe, it's cool however please add to your fixes, group experience. Once you have 3 or 4 people in a group you either get no experience, or very little. I hope you take what I have said into account. Some people may think this guys whack, just solo. The problem is I like to work with friends in a group, it is very easy to grind, and you don't need help this much is true, but it's just more enjoyable.

[Twiz]

I RE-state, if the wipe is done as planned it wont be a full wipe, it will ONLY be the past 6 months....any Jedi or items or money or resources from before then will remain. The playing field will NOT BE equal as some of you are thinking it will be. If your going to do more then one wipe do a FULL wipe, knock EVERYONE back to the begining and then when the OR comes out, wipe again...sounds silly to do it that many times...but oh well thats what we get for playing on a Test Server. So I say FULL WIPE or stop wasting our time and lets get the OR out!

the previous wipe was 6 months ago i believe so it will be a full wipe.

[Hujskurwyszn]

" What we propose changing
* Revising the jedi unlock
* Implementing credit duping fixes
* Implementing item duping fixes
* Better equalizing crafted items and looted item quality
* Fixing bazaar exploits

This would mean that everything would be deleted; characters, accounts, items, etc. We will NOT consider any partial deletes because they would just cause big problems.

Advantages: Duped economy would be reset, jedi would be more of a mystery again.
Disadvantages: Everything done on TC for the last 6 months would be gone. "

Okay, I know I haven't been on TC the longest period of time yet, but I honestly look at this proposal as one that doesn't have much of a point. Aside from changing the Jedi unlock system a bit (which would then nullify everything that everyone's done to late in order to get their Jedi), and POSSIBLY seeing more equality among crafted and looted items (my question would be HOW this would be implemented... would they nerf looted weps or would they actually provide GOOD resources for crafters?) there aren't any tangible benefits to wiping and restarting with the same old code + a couple of tweaks.

Who would this really benefit? As for testing the server, having the large number of items and characters to keep a database of, plus the existing server population would seem to test the server even more than wiping it, and implementing a slight content switch with Jedi (which could be buggy or near impossible to figure out) or an undisclosed means of making the items in game more on par, crafting and looting wise.

I vote No as there are too many variables at this time, and not enough information has been released on the HOWS and WHATS of what would be done in order to make the wipe actually beneficial. I honestly could also see how it could push a lot of people into just stopping playing for awhile or altogether as all the work they put into their characters was toasted just to implement a credit/item dupe fix, tweak Jedi a bit, and possibly make craftable items more equal. Not a HUGE benefit for such a big loss.

I see a lot of posts saying "I vote yes if..." Well what if the "if..." doesn't come to pass? Are there any people who are going to STOP playing if no wipe Pre- OR hits? Are there any people who'll come back if a wipe happens and resets it to zero? If we're wanting to test the server, having as many people playing/running characters, collecting items, placing harvesters, adding inventory, etc... will test the server. It just seems this wipe has WAY too many unknowns that could backfire.

What if the new Jedi system doesn't work right and has to be reverted? What if instead of craftable schems being bugged, harvesters end up being completely useless again? Too many variables when you talk about wiping, then changing the code. As it is now, we all pretty much know the ins and outs of the bugs and problems, and a wipe is counterproductive to that...especially when bugfixes on TC are not even being targeted anymore.

If there was an addition of EXTRA CONTENT to actually TEST, i.e. CH, Houses, Backpacks, etc... in prep for OR, then I'd be all for it... but there's nothing really beneficial to this wipe.

Just my two cents.

Better said then I could ever do, too many people are voting yes and then adding tons of caveats into their statements.

IF we are testing new content, IF we are using this wipe to make the OR better, IF we are doing a wipe to shorten the LIVE launch, then I can bite the bullet and agree to a wipe. The only problem is now the revised statement I read is different than the one when I got the in game message, logged in, and then voted on.

But IF all this is doing is resetting us to ZERO for the sake of making some people stop complaining, and does not in effect implement fixes to stop the very behaviors that we are "wiping" for then I think this just takes valuable time and resources away from the OR.

Because of the vague statement I voted no. Now that I see the revised reasons, I ask everyone to step back and rethink their decision.

See you all around in game.

[Hujskurwyszn]

My 'yes' vote is conditional.
As a vet. Swg player I find it irritating that we have full functioning Jedi, but no droids or buildings, and FAIL extractors. No wearable packs from tailor, no real use for CH, or DE. I say if a wipe will fix or bring about a fix to these CORE professions. I will be on board. If ALL this is about, is to fix in game economy then >NO WAY<


I have to be "cautious" here as I respect and deeply appreciate the DEVS and all the hard work they are doing to give us our dream back, but the above post does ring true. This will probably get me flamed like crazy, but if you gave me a choice, and I could only have a choice between the following;

A) Fully Functional Jedi

B) Fully Functional Architect with all the working schematics

Then I would choose B, maybe I am on crack? Flame away!

[Barber]

Hujskurwyszn has made a good point how many people voted yes, to the original post before it was revised saying that they may add some new features? that is sort of misleading, i think a new poll is in order.

[JonnyMe]

"We are almost done with the core structure of the OR, and are beginning to add content to it, but it will be many months before it is on par with what is currently on TC (Feature-wise). We wanted to give the community a choice on how to proceed."

From reading that, and also knowing ETA are not going to be posted I am thinking we are looking a minimum of 6 months before a the OR is or might come out, and we will be in this corrupted economy which is I feel is directly effecting the quality of the game. Yes its a test server but of how many people we have and how many people are seriously putting time and supporting the development of this project, I see the best and smartest thing to do is a wipe.

I mean looking at the current numbers doing a wipe right now will hurt and turn away a large population of the people currently 37% which I say is a large number, but if you break it down, grinding professions is very fast, getting your best items will take time but still at a fair rate.

Make the game as a whole a better quality by making the jedi something rare mystery, not the typical 3 unlocks a day. Fixing the game hurting bugs/exploit, and giving everyone a fresh start I think will be better in the long run.

Here is how I see it, fixing up an old car vs just sucking it paying the extra money and buying a new one.

EDIT: Let me add something, if this was a live server dealing with these problems exploit/hacking the exploited/dupeded items would be taken out of the economy and the people who did it would be banned. But this isn't a live server and I think that the exploits and dupes are not the only thing effecting the quality of the game they may feel that a wipe and adding these new feature they were talking about would be more beneficial in the long run.

[leonidovich]

I cannot understand, why you Edyoti a method by contradiction?
Clear business what to make everything, насрав to players in soul at which is jedi it is possible, but after all same has not put!!! Why it is impossible to try to make all акуратно? I understand that that who put update the previous has not thought of that that will be, but why to you all the same not to try to make it?

[Adler1984]

I would like to see this post cleared and re-opened and people allowed to put in a vote on the revised statement. And ALSO to see that the forums are double checked to see if there are people creating new forum accounts or forum accounts being made without actual game accounts being utilized. The number of yes votes has jumped EXTREMELY high very quickly, too quickly some would say, and I think this kind of a decision would behoove the devs to be sure it's not "rigged". per se.

[Barber]

wipe and fix group xp please :)

[Delero]

" What we propose changing
* Revising the jedi unlock
* Implementing credit duping fixes
* Implementing item duping fixes
* Better equalizing crafted items and looted item quality
* Fixing bazaar exploits

This would mean that everything would be deleted; characters, accounts, items, etc. We will NOT consider any partial deletes because they would just cause big problems.

Advantages: Duped economy would be reset, jedi would be more of a mystery again.
Disadvantages: Everything done on TC for the last 6 months would be gone. "

Okay, I know I haven't been on TC the longest period of time yet, but I honestly look at this proposal as one that doesn't have much of a point. Aside from changing the Jedi unlock system a bit (which would then nullify everything that everyone's done to late in order to get their Jedi), and POSSIBLY seeing more equality among crafted and looted items (my question would be HOW this would be implemented... would they nerf looted weps or would they actually provide GOOD resources for crafters?) there aren't any tangible benefits to wiping and restarting with the same old code + a couple of tweaks.

Who would this really benefit? As for testing the server, having the large number of items and characters to keep a database of, plus the existing server population would seem to test the server even more than wiping it, and implementing a slight content switch with Jedi (which could be buggy or near impossible to figure out) or an undisclosed means of making the items in game more on par, crafting and looting wise.

I vote No as there are too many variables at this time, and not enough information has been released on the HOWS and WHATS of what would be done in order to make the wipe actually beneficial. I honestly could also see how it could push a lot of people into just stopping playing for awhile or altogether as all the work they put into their characters was toasted just to implement a credit/item dupe fix, tweak Jedi a bit, and possibly make craftable items more equal. Not a HUGE benefit for such a big loss.

I see a lot of posts saying "I vote yes if..." Well what if the "if..." doesn't come to pass? Are there any people who are going to STOP playing if no wipe Pre- OR hits? Are there any people who'll come back if a wipe happens and resets it to zero? If we're wanting to test the server, having as many people playing/running characters, collecting items, placing harvesters, adding inventory, etc... will test the server. It just seems this wipe has WAY too many unknowns that could backfire.

What if the new Jedi system doesn't work right and has to be reverted? What if instead of craftable schems being bugged, harvesters end up being completely useless again? Too many variables when you talk about wiping, then changing the code. As it is now, we all pretty much know the ins and outs of the bugs and problems, and a wipe is counterproductive to that...especially when bugfixes on TC are not even being targeted anymore.

If there was an addition of EXTRA CONTENT to actually TEST, i.e. CH, Houses, Backpacks, etc... in prep for OR, then I'd be all for it... but there's nothing really beneficial to this wipe.

Just my two cents.

Bump

[Lexx2k]

All i can say, it's the Test Center for cry sakes, that we are actually able to play it while work is being done is advantage. No one expected it to be live server and everything to work perfectly. Just leave server as it is, while work is being done. And people, who plays on TC, should stop taking Test server as Live one.

[Delero]

also couldn't the blue frogs be set up just to give you professions rather than items as well?

heres a good question

[Ashur]

All i can say, it's the Test Center for cry sakes, that we are actually able to play it while work is being done is advantage. No one expected it to be live server and everything to work perfectly. Just leave server as it is, while work is being done. And people, who plays on TC, should stop taking Test server as Live one.

i like your sig :)

[Timberwolf587]

Doesn't matter what i think, poll results are pretty clear.

Unfortunately the poll is the way it is in part because of people like Raydowning, who said:

I'm new to TC:Nova but if it adds more content to the game then yes go ahead and wipe maybe even put is space so I can fly agen :-)

Its seems a lot of people are voting w/o even realizing what will change. I would have voted yes if something major being implemented, such as player housing or the CH prof. As it stands the current TC means almost nothing to the development of the OR. I think we should just let the devs completely concentrate on the OR at this point. The sooner its out, the better.

Also unfortunate is how the majority of this thread de-evolved into a flame war between the more common posters on this forums. That and a slinging of insults such as anyone who said everyone voting no is just some QQer afraid to lose their jedi.

[Vlada]

Well one thing is for sure...

Most people have no idea what is the current purpose of NOVA, what the developers are doing, what OR is, what's gonna happen after the OR, difference between OR and SC.

Strange. :shakehead:

[vens1o1]

wow i had no idea there were that many exploits etc. It will be good to see TC with alot of this fixed up. But kinda sad to see all our toons gone.

[Mecho]

I voted NO. Simply because this discussed wipe achieves very little.

If updates, bug fixes and content were added then fine but it's not. Very little is going to change. So a new way to unlock will be available, then what? We start all over again when people figure it out? The flame wars will just start again.

IF the Devs NEED to wipe the server becuase of the work they are doing then I fully support it.
If the Devs DONT NEED to wipe the server because of the work they are doing then I really see no point.

Please Devs, do what you NEED to do, ignore all whines and moans either way.

[Letesh]

Everyone is calling for a wipe saying it will fix the economy. That would be great if it were true but, the truth of the matter is, cheaters are cheaters, and anyone that is duping credits or items will figure out another way to do it. You can say the problem will be fixed and yes, perhaps that will be the case with the current method they are using to do it. However, few bugs an exploits are fixed until they are identified by the players. Look at the facts, economies inflate over time. It happens in life, it happens in games. Adapt and overcome.

[Traxian]

Granted, the codebase is being re-written. Technical aspects of testing on TC:Nova are significantly less important, as they won't apply to the new codebase.

But I think there's some considerable value in seeing if the "core concepts" behind the economy hold steady with as much illegitimate credit and resource removed as possible. The best way to do this would be to wipe it, patch it up, and see if it works.

If the ideas behind a working economy and Jedi system turn out to be flawed, new ideas can be implemented into OR, and ultimately run live in Suncrusher.

[Letesh]

And see if i works? Why dont we wait and do something we know that works...

[Venand]

Hello all!

Ive had an interensting few days. I was really frustrated about me stuck at barely, and some other things. So because of that, and out of pure curiousity, i decided to check out the 14 days trial version of NGE. I thought maybe these past 2 years they changed some of the crap back to a more playable game. I started, created a character, and got so annoyed and angry in 5 minutes, that i deleted the whole thing and swore never to go back there.

What we have here is already a great game with huge potential, will be better with each passing month and every wipe. Thank you for the devs for their hard work.

I remember the time before CU hit and before NGE hit. I remember SOE just telling players that they will change the whole game experience, I remember tons of players singing, dancing and protesting in all major cities and begging SOE not to do this. SwgEmu devs give us an option, which is really fantastic I belive. Thank you for asking and listening.

I voted yes on the wipe. Partial wipes would only cause more problems they say. If thats so, wipe everything. I do not think that the player base would drop. Everyone knows this is a TC.

I really dont like the idea of Blue frogs or Gungans. That ruins gameplay for me and takes away the fun-factor.

I would like to know though:

- what kind of new features are we talking about?
- if the TC will be wiped, when will that happen? Right now? This week? In a month?
- what will prevent players to hack/exploit again?
- how do you plan on finding and punishing hackers/exploiters in the future?

I fully support the jedi unlock changes for several reasons. 1: im stuck :D 2: Server is full of jedi. Thats bad. Stepping out of Cnet starport and wathing jedi duel all the time is not so much fun. Make them have to live in hiding again please.

I would also lift the 20k limit on the bazaar. Makes hard to actually use it.

And maybe a new way of reporting bugs - letting us know of issues. A "known issues" thread? One that is constantly being updated by the devs with a pretty simple list of problems -all in one place.

Can we please have some more info about the wipe? Thanks!

[Hujskurwyszn]

Doesn't matter what i think, poll results are pretty clear.

Yes Vlada but I respect your dedication to this project and especially to the community. Would love to hear your two cents on this, no matter what the polls say.

[Traxian]

Well, it's an online game being played by even now hundreds of people. Difficult to predict I would say whether the economic system in game is reasonably resistant to inflation and exploit. Best way to find out it seems, would be to try it in a reasonably non-committal environment such as... TC:Nova.

*Shrug*

It's 5:00 AM here at the moment, you'll have to try to forgive me if my thoughts aren't clear. Of course, I understand if you disagree. I'm not exactly deadset behind this position, just musing.

[leonidovich]

posting no pay 50k

[Arlam]

Man i really really really don't want to grind master armorsmith again.... and proablly won't This is really going to hurt the very few crafters out there actually testing crafting. All those resources. ect gone in an instant.

[Letesh]

So basically Venand, you voted yes and you really dont even know what they are going to do, with exception to everthing you've done will be gone.

[leonidovich]

creat plz gungans on last week...do it for players

[leonidovich]

I am really dont want give 35mil xp for stand jedi master

[Lexx2k]

People who worried about characters being wiped, and which dont realise they will be anyway. Server will be different you will have to grind all out again.
But i also understand, the people who won't grind like master Armorsmith again just for testing purpose to get wiped again. And will wait for live servers.

[Hujskurwyszn]

Man i really really really don't want to grind master armorsmith again.... and proablly won't This is really going to hurt the very few crafters out there actually testing crafting. All those resources. ect gone in an instant.

Disclosure: A lot of the community on here probably think that I have a Jedi or dupe credits, well the fact is my most active Toon is Squatch, who is a "pure" crafter with no combat skills. The above post is more along the lines of where I am coming from. Again, IF this is about helping the OR, and IF this is about helping the game with added content and fixes, then I support it.

However I see in the revised statement vague comments about exploiters and prevelence of Jedi. Those two reasons are not enough to convince me with the Logic to vote yes.

BTW, IMHO posts that only have one word either "yes" or "no" or three word broken sentences do not contribute intellectually to this debate.

[OlisJ]

I see that most of "yes" voter have no idea for what they were voting.
You will not be able to get a buff for 5-10k and master any combat profession in short times, will not be able to buy decent armor or weapon to start with, you won't find anything worth spending your credits at all right after the wipe. All you will have is CDEF gear and empty server to play with.

[Futureshock]

It seems to me that a lot of people are voting "yes" simply because the devs suggested the wipe. People, we're being asked for our opinions, not our approval.
From what I've read, the majority of the people who have actually read the first post would be for a wipe if it introduced new elements to the game. As it stands, the offered changes just don't appeal to many of us.
Please save the wipes for major updates, not merely to reset economic issues which will invariably present themselves again in a matter of time.

[tehmulletman]

not true OlisJ i'll be going master WS in a couple days after server starts over may even go armorsmith this time it only takes 8.5 hours and 200k metal which i can gather in less than 10 hours

[Arlam]

One of the reasons they state for the wipe is to equalize the looted and crafted component. This isn't going to help the crafters. First there will be no crafters for awhile so the only equipment will be looted. Plus we will have to wait for key resources to spawn again. (which sometimes takes months) Then regrind everything. I'm not sure i understand are crafted items too good? and we need to make looted items better?
Right now my comp is sitting at 54% base with 80% kin. Mabari at 22% base. Chitan with 74% kin. And i still can't make ubease because no decent neutronium steel has spawned.

[Gray Mouser]

Didn't they tell us we'd have Nova until the OR? I sort of put in a ton of time and effort that hasn't quite paid off yet. I was really counting on another month or two before a wipe.

I don't have a ton of money or uber items but I don't feel imparied by the fact they exist on the server. A server reset on the other hand, would really make me wonder how many people would suddenly have a CU and/or NGE implementaion flashback. I would be pretty bummed about the characters I'd built.

You know what, it's just not time to say goodbye to them yet. Save it for the OR!

[paelen]

time spent in game play has no warrant for debate. suck it up people. :D

its obvious they need a wipe for even developer purposes. They show their honor and respect towards the community with asking but all in all, we have really no voice if we want a FULLY working SWGEmu. So, that said by all means, move forward and do what needs to be done.

[Arlam]

why would they ask if it was neccesary? I'm thinking it is not nessecary thats why they are asking.

[Venand]

Letesh: True, I dont know exactly what they are doing. Do you? Did you vote? Do you get to have an opinion without knowing? So do I, then.

They will add changes to fix the economy, they will change the unlock system and they will probably add content that they cannot add to the current TC. This was enough to form my opinion and make my vote.

I do have faith in the dev team, and i dont think they would propose a wipe 'just because'.

Even though I love my toon, I dont mind a wipe. Would this be SC, I would feel crap right now.

[Letesh]

Fully working would be gret paelen, but that won't be the case. These are miniscule changes that we can do without before the OR. Its not worth a wipe.

[Gray Mouser]

In addition, the poll itself is extremely biased toward a "Yes" vote. Everyone knows that there is supposed to be a wipe. This is making it seem like you're asking permission to do that wipe for the OR, or even Sun Crusher.

There are a lot of things about this that is starting to make my skin crawl, not least the morbid glee of an overly vocal minority.

[Letesh]

Letesh: True, I dont know exactly what they are doing. Do you? Did you vote? Do you get to have an opinion without knowing? So do I, then.

They will add changes to fix the economy, they will change the unlock system and they will probably add content that they cannot add to the current TC. This was enough to form my opinion and make my vote.

I do have faith in the dev team, and i dont think they would propose a wipe 'just because'.

Even though I love my toon, I dont mind a wipe. Would this be SC, I would feel crap right now.

I did vote, and I voted no because I dont know exactly what they are doing. Its like obama, I didnt vote for him to wait arond and see what he was going to do. Now Im glad I didnt.

[Letesh]

LOL, its like Pelosi said, "We need to pass this thing so we can find out whats in it"... yeah, brilliant!

[Arlam]

Everyone know there will be another wipe before OR. How much are you willing to grind inbetween wipes? Is this going to be like a year between wipes or a month or two?

[dangron]

You shouldn't have put up this poll. Should've wiped it without anyone knowing. It's TC, it happens.

[OlisJ]

not true OlisJ i'll be going master WS in a couple days after server starts over may even go armorsmith this time it only takes 8.5 hours and 200k metal which i can gather in less than 10 hours

It won't be possible to get that amount of resources in 10 hours. First you'l have to make artisan then you will have to grind credits to buy skills, with enough survey skills to gather resources to craft harvesters and sample sample radioactives to power them, then you will have to grind more credits to maintain them, and if you are lucky in a few days after you will have enough materials to master WS. But honestly 8.5 hours will require to use 3rd party software.

[darealal]

Wipe it ! :)

[Arlam]

The even if your master weaponsmith doesn't mean you'll have the resouces to craft anything decent

[tehmulletman]

i agree dangron if they wanted to test something on the server then they should just do it, that is after all, why we have the TC



EDIT** oh and otisj it wont take me longer than 2 days i can guarantee it i have more than enough friends to help me sample
it actually shouldnt even take that long at all...hell it cant be worse than waiting 3 months for rhodium steel which still hasnt spawned...

[jamMa]

This is sad to see that so man people have voted yes, although I can understand peoples wanting for a quick fix. But with the OR only a few months away wouldn't you want to see out the rest of your days on a semi established server? Starting over from scratch I can only imagine is going to be very slow. I haven't been here before for a wipe myself, but I have doubts about playing for an "inbetween" wipe before the OR. But given the results up top there, it seems it's pretty much decided :D

[Vlada]

This thread sure draws a crowd. :D

I wounder why?

[Dheco]

I voted yes.

There is no pvp, the economy is destroyed, way to many stupidly powerful loot/dot weapons that were mainly looted using exploits.

Even after those few reasons the main reason I want to see a wipe is that for me the only thing that is left to test on TC is *can* exploits can be stopped. Im under no illusion that the OR will be free of exploits or people who will try and find them and I personally want to see what the Devs do about them now going forward.

If exploiters get away with it here then they will feel they can get away with it in the future.

[Mikla Tesla]

I don't see how the goal of testing will be benefitted by sending everyone back to the starting areas and content. If this is truely a test center, then testing the playability of various features and zones should be more important then whether or not the economy is fair.

Well said.

[Brilliance]

You will not be able to get a buff for 5-10k and master any combat profession in short times, will not be able to buy decent armor or weapon to start with, you won't find anything worth spending your credits at all right after the wipe. All you will have is CDEF gear and empty server to play with.
Interestingly enough, the above effects are precisely why I would enjoy a server wipe. There is such a thing as having it too easy, you know.

To my mind, with the OR as far off as it seemingly is, now would be a perfect time to wipe and see how the economy and jedi population develops. Theory and calculations are all very nice, but if you really want to see if your duping fixes work or jedi are being unlocked at the expected rate after revising, this is the way to do it.

Sure I'd prefer to have CH or architect coincide with the wipe, but if it's not ready it's not ready. A wipe just a few months before OR would suck hard, but half a year sounds just fine to me.

[GotGamble]

If a wipe helps the project move towards fruition, and fixes are implemented to prevent the current situation from repeating, then I fully support a complete wipe.

[Lazerbrick]

Love the posts talking about losing "hard" earned XP, seriously when this thing got wiped 6 months ago it took like 3 days to get full temp. SWG is the easiest game of all time to grind professions.

[OlisJ]

If a wipe helps the project move towards fruition, and fixes are implemented to prevent the current situation from repeating, then I fully support a complete wipe.

This wipe will not in any way help the project move forward towards fruition. Minor fixes can't justify the wipe and they won't. This wipe is only good to satisfy some people in expense of some dev time to accomodate it.

[Tyrinius]

I voted yes.
If exploiters get away with it here then they will feel they can get away with it in the future.

This

[Venand]

Well, this isnt politics. The way you voted during the last election really is the right way of doing things, but in that case, the future of your country had to be decided. This is the test center of an online game. A bit different. Whats at stake here really? If the server wont get wiped now, it will in a few months.

I dont know about the rest of you, but i had a lot of fun killing low level mobs outside cnet for brawler 21x1 too. Probably because I wasnt alone though, I made some friends, and played a lot together with my girlfriend. Definitely the hottest gamer-girl out there :) If the server will get wiped, I will have a lot of fun again, if some new content will be added, I will enjoy exploring it, if the unlock system changes, i will enjoy trying to find out how it works now.

[Adler1984]

If they were actually testing things to use on the OR, we wouldn't have the level of disagreement that this thread shows. The core problem is that everyone knows that none of what is proposed will actually be implemented on the OR. So this is simply a wipe for the sake of wiping, not for really testing anything to be placed on the OR. So the question then becomes...what's the point?

[tehmulletman]

i for one am going to enjoy the challenge of having to start again with nothing and
hey vlada haha

[OlisJ]

If they were actually testing things to use on the OR, we wouldn't have the level of disagreement that this thread shows. The core problem is that everyone knows that none of what is proposed will actually be implemented on the OR. So this is simply a wipe for the sake of wiping, not for really testing anything to be placed on the OR. So the question then becomes...what's the point?

The point is to ease the level of whineage from loud audience and to stop talks (for the time being) about wipe.

[Arlam]

I guess i fail to see how reseting all the crafters to square one helps the economy.

[Ashur]

I guess i fail to see how reseting all the crafters to square one helps the economy.

because EVERYONE will begin from scratch, not just the crafters.

[Dheco]

If they were actually testing things to use on the OR, we wouldn't have the level of disagreement that this thread shows. The core problem is that everyone knows that none of what is proposed will actually be implemented on the OR. So this is simply a wipe for the sake of wiping, not for really testing anything to be placed on the OR. So the question then becomes...what's the point?

The point being to try and stop exploiters here and now, whats the point of waiting until the OR is done or SC is live before dealing with them? If this is a test center then I'm happy for them to use it to test ways of getting rid of those that cheat.

[Snowtigre]

One of the reasons they state for the wipe is to equalize the looted and crafted component. This isn't going to help the crafters. First there will be no crafters for awhile so the only equipment will be looted. Plus we will have to wait for key resources to spawn again. (which sometimes takes months) Then regrind everything. I'm not sure i understand are crafted items too good? and we need to make looted items better?
Right now my comp is sitting at 54% base with 80% kin. Mabari at 22% base. Chitan with 74% kin. And i still can't make ubease because no decent neutronium steel has spawned.

Are you serious..

A wipe would be Good.. Yes I will cry for the lost intrusive Ore.. I have over 400k of it and I know Of People who have 1mil+ unit's, they have said yes Wipe..
So what are you crying for...

Waahaaa I have to re unlock Jedi.....
Waahaaaa I have to Grind out 35,000,000,000,000,000XP...

So What this is a TEST Server...


J:cool:

[baskotoiea]

would rather not see a wipe untill after the object restructure, its not rediculousley broken as is

[Letesh]

Yeah, but they arnt getting rid of those people. There will always be ways to exploit. Just git rid of the ones doing it.

[Lolly]

I vote Yes Wipe it

I see some of u cant read what was said...


This would mean that everything would be deleted; characters, accounts, items, etc. We will NOT consider any partial deletes because they would just cause big problems.

Isee it like this.. Dont fix it if its not Broken. And it seems that some People are hell bent on making it harder on the Dev's and Staff. Not to mention unfair to the rest of the players Just cause Thay cant Play the game the way its ment. I would Rather Regrind my skills then see some Jerk get rich or become Jedi because there not skilled enough to do it the right way like the rest of us..... there for its Broken......
Fix It
Wipe It
Make it enjoyable for the mass

P.S Add some Gallow's so we can taunt/Stone the hackers/dupers

[OlisJ]

I guess i fail to see how reseting all the crafters to square one helps the economy.

You see, crafting materials tend to spawn randomly - its a wait game til they get good enough materials to craft decent stuff. Those crafters who play this game longer - have better stuff than those who started recently. I guess those who started recenly would want a wipe in fist place, becuse they get into even ground with other crafters. But then again wait will have to start again and in the end after a few months there will be same situation.

[yoree]

If a wipe helps the project move towards fruition, and fixes are implemented to prevent the current situation from repeating, then I fully support a complete wipe.

i vote yes

[Dheco]

Yeah, but they arnt getting rid of those people. There will always be ways to exploit. Just git rid of the ones doing it.

By the time you have found and got rid of those doing it, they could of caused massive damage to the server.

They need to be proactive not reactive.

[Athrael]

I support the wipe, I started playing only a few weeks ago. Grinding medic was way too easy with about 30 ent-bots in a cantina, there was no fun in mastering medic in about 5h.

And they should take out the ability to log in multiple toons, they make the game look like nge with all the afkbots.

[Letesh]

I support the wipe, I started playing only a few weeks ago. Grinding medic was way too easy with about 30 ent-bots in a cantina, there was no fun in mastering medic in about 5h.

And they should take out the ability to log in multiple toons, they make the game look like nge with all the afkbots.

Sure, lets revert to doing nothing for hours while we wait for an ent to buff us... good call. Doing nothing>productivity

[Harus Fion]

would rather not see a wipe untill after the object restructure, its not rediculousley broken as is

I agree with this post, and that is why I vote to not wipe TC: Nova until new content is released.

TO DEVS: Thank you for the time you guys put into the Core coding. It is appreciated among my colleges and myself!

[vens1o1]

blue frogs would be a horrible idea

[Mahonra]

blue frogs would be a horrible idea

Why do you say that? :(

[vens1o1]

i mean it would be great for pvp and pvp fun but i think it would take away the fun of pve shoping and crafting

[vens1o1]

it would take away from pve crafting and buying and selling on the bazar

[paelen]

yes proactive with a server wipe. Ill agree.

[MiniMe]

Yes wipe.

My wish: upon character creation please either start us out with more than $2k or make training fees lower...ie 100, 500, 1500, 3000, and 4000 instead of these existing $8000 to be trained! It's hard enuf starting over! Too many times I've begged for someone to teach me but either I've got to fly to another planet and ask over and over before someone will teach me, (even PMing them) or I have to stay put and ask for hours before someone comes out of afk mode and is available for teaching. I can see if the game were more populated and less afk'd but this has gotten ridiculous for me. It's as if nobody who is already leveled wants to take the time to teach their future competition or something...feels like it anyway.

PS: I see a lot asking you why not just wipe this part or that part? Because it was made clear that this had to be an entire wipe, not just partial.

[Mahonra]

it would take away from pve crafting and buying and selling on the bazar

What about BLUE FROGS that didn't give items? Only skills?

[vens1o1]

lol i guess so

[Qui-Larek]

I support the wipe, I started playing only a few weeks ago. Grinding medic was way too easy with about 30 ent-bots in a cantina, there was no fun in mastering medic in about 5h.

And they should take out the ability to log in multiple toons, they make the game look like nge with all the afkbots.

This is not a reason for a wipe. This is a result of you joining 6 months down the line and a wipe will not solve this - by that I mean this will be the case in another 6 months and is not the result of any issue / hack / exploit which is the cited reason for the wipe discussion.

It really concerns me when I read posts like this saying I have voted yes for x reason but actually that reason doesnt carry any validity or weight to the point of the wipe in the first place and will not not be changed with a wipe.

[badboy09]

Before this version came online 6 months ago, ther was blue frogs but it never stoped me and many others from trying to craft better.

[Kaht'Rynn]

Yes, make the Jedi unlock more mysterious, rather than a matter of who can whack out the most professions in the shortest order.

[MiniMe]

http://images.pictureshunt.com/pics/b/blue_frogs-8144.jpg



Blue frogs are a good idea for many reasons, would let people try out many of the professions, would make the server go PVP crazy, would still allow people to craft and grind if they choose to.

YUCK! I just visited OOSWG server where there are blue frogs and it sux eggs! After just 3 hours of clicking "XP for Training" I mastered 2 prof's and had major carpal tunnel! NO WAY TO FROGS!

Geez you gone mental!? Make a game too easy and it's no fun at all. If you're handed everything at a click of a mouse, you will grow bored faster and there is no feelings of accomplishment as there IS no accomplishment!

FYI to whomever could not spell colleague: The word you used to mean Colleague is not spelled "Colleges". A College is an institution you go to in order to learn how to spell, whereas a Colleague is spelled:

1. col·league Pronounced[kol-eeg]
–noun
Meaning: an associate.

Related Words for : colleague
co-worker, fellow worker, workfellow, confrere, fellow.

[Metal]

Do you actualy think after or comes, you will be able to keep your character :banghead: ? Lol at some players! It's a test server :|


Wipe it !

[Solitomortis]

Well one thing is for sure...

Most people have no idea what is the current purpose of NOVA, what the developers are doing, what OR is, what's gonna happen after the OR, difference between OR and SC.

Strange. :shakehead:

Vlada I respect you opinion... could you elaborate on these? I would assume NOVA is currently being used as a social experiment for the Devs to better understand how the players will react to the current build as well as possibly discover certain exploits.. which may or may not matter with OR.

[madmurdoch2000]

To start with I think a lot of people have forgotten that this is a test server and it's meant to be for testing. I also think a lot of people are forgetting that the dev's for the emu don't have to write the code or even ask us if we want a wipe. That the dev's are asking just shows how much they value us the players and nothing else. Now it's possible that they could bring out a patch without wiping the server but lets stop and think about that for a min.
so they release a patch to stop the duping and exploiters The first thing they would need to do is remove ALL the duped items in the game. How would you feel if you logged on after the patch and found that half of everything you had worked for had gone because it was a dupe? Because I know I wouldn't like it at all and I bet some people out there would be on the forums complaining that their hard earned cash and items had gone. For this reason alone a full wipe is justified in my opinion but lets think on for a bit.
So all the duped items have gone and the patch is out there and in place what is its effect on the game? Is it opening other holes in the code to exploites or other ways to dupe? Has it broken anything to do with crafting or combat? The answer is they will not know until they test the code which is why they have a test server in the first place.
Another thing is the OR that they are writing, some people are saying wait until it's finished before you wipe. Well as we the players don't know what is in the OR how can you say this isn't a test of part of the code for the OR? Or that this isn't to test a new unlock system for the OR to see what it's like before they spend to long working on the code to place that system in the OR? The answer is no-one knows.

At the end of the day there are any number of reasons for a wipe, duping, exploiting, code testing ect ect ect. So I voted yes to the wipe and I say to the dev's you are doing a good job and thank you.

[badboy09]

YUCK! I just visited OOSWG server where there are blue frogs and it sux eggs! After just 3 hours of clicking "XP for Training" I mastered 2 prof's and had major carpal tunnel! NO WAY TO FROGS!

Geez you gone mental!? Make a game too easy and it's no fun at all. If you're handed everything at a click of a mouse, you will grow bored faster and there is no feelings of accomplishment as there IS no accomplishment!

FYI to whomever could not spell colleague: The word you used to mean Colleague is not spelled "Colleges". A College is an institution you go to in order to learn how to spell, whereas a Colleague is spelled:

1. col·league Pronounced[kol-eeg]
–noun
Meaning: an associate.

Related Words for : colleague
co-worker, fellow worker, workfellow, confrere, fellow.

at this moment its not final release, so blue frogs will come back 100% when the OR gets here, and they may yet prove usefull if there is a wipe, like i said b4 blue frogs did not stop people from crafting/ grinding.

[Metal]

To start with I think a lot of people have forgotten that this is a test server and it's meant to be for testing. I also think a lot of people are forgetting that the dev's for the emu don't have to write the code or even ask us if we want a wipe. That the dev's are asking just shows how much they value us the players and nothing else. Now it's possible that they could bring out a patch without wiping the server but lets stop and think about that for a min.
so they release a patch to stop the duping and exploiters The first thing they would need to do is remove ALL the duped items in the game. How would you feel if you logged on after the patch and found that half of everything you had worked for had gone because it was a dupe? Because I know I wouldn't like it at all and I bet some people out there would be on the forums complaining that their hard earned cash and items had gone. For this reason alone a full wipe is justified in my opinion but lets think on for a bit.
So all the duped items have gone and the patch is out there and in place what is its effect on the game? Is it opening other holes in the code to exploites or other ways to dupe? Has it broken anything to do with crafting or combat? The answer is they will not know until they test the code which is why they have a test server in the first place.
Another thing is the OR that they are writing, some people are saying wait until it's finished before you wipe. Well as we the players don't know what is in the OR how can you say this isn't a test of part of the code for the OR? Or that this isn't to test a new unlock system for the OR to see what it's like before they spend to long working on the code to place that system in the OR? The answer is no-one knows.

At the end of the day there are any number of reasons for a wipe, duping, exploiting, code testing ect ect ect. So I voted yes to the wipe and I say to the dev's you are doing a good job and thank you.

You got some brains at right place, while majority of people think it's a real server :|

[qwwq4]

a 6-month wipe would completely destroy everything I've put into SWGEMU. All that time griding and leveling up would be wasted.

I know housing is working on the ORB, so unless we get it after the wipe, my brain is telling me no.


i don't think you people get it. we won't get new features. we'll get exploit fixes and a fresh slate.

I voted yes for a better economy. Shame people had to cheat to ruin it for the rest of us.

[Wilykitt]

I'm all for the wipe. Economy is worse than post-war Germany, and I sure as hell can't justify 10 million Deutsch Marks for a Vasarian Brandy :p Add to that all these stupidly over powered weapons and the sheer amount of Jedi running around, it's more reminiscent of the NGE than preCU; über weapons replacing skill, redundant PvP system and Jedi gunned down in a barrage of one second speed, 1000 damage carbine/BHs.
Besides, killing all my toons gives me something else to do =)

[badboy09]

yes to many people are only here a couple of months and think this is the final release. we have all had our fix of grinding bring back blue frogs to keep us entertained untill theres something to actually test again!

[badboy09]

a 6-month wipe would completely destroy everything I've put into SWGEMU. All that time griding and leveling up would be wasted.

I know housing is working on the ORB, so unless we get it after the wipe, my vote is no.

thats where you are wrong you have tested the current code all be it prob just playing and no submissions of bugs, also if blue frogs where added you could instant lvl to what you want or grind again its up to you.

so your time has has only been wasted in making that post.

[Wilykitt]

You got some brains at right place, while majority of people think it's a real server :|

Haha, aye, and some people forget it's just a game. If this wipe brings us even just 0.001% closer to a finished, workable server than I support it.
Besides, if you don't like grinding up, why are you playing? Grinding IS a large part of SWG.

[Dngrzne91]

Wipe it and add blue frogs and watch us be right back here in less than 2 months. There are three big bugs in game right now that aren't on that list of fixes. If they aren't fixed a wipe isn't gonna solve a damn thing. The uber weapons/dots will be back in a matter of no time.

[GotGamble]

There is one thing that would be nice to hear is a date for the decision to wipe or not. Early results aside, I imagine we will quickly be past the point where the majority of the active community have had a chance to think about this and make a decision. I think it would be in everyone's best interests to make the decision soon, and get past this point asap.

[salem]

Well since the wipe is an inevitable choice, i think it should planted the blue frog again, if not for the items then just for the skills. it will be hell if you start your crafting pro that took month for grind

[qwwq4]

thats where you are wrong you have tested the current code all be it prob just playing and no submissions of bugs, also if blue frogs where added you could instant lvl to what you want or grind again its up to you.

so your time has has only been wasted in making that post.

no one said anything about adding blue frogs. you don't even know thats going to happen again.

and FYI, i've tried on multiple occasions to add bugs, but it says my acct is locked out and it wont let me.(on swgemu.com/bugs)

[Raven118]

yes wipe the hell outa those rebel jedi >_<

[badboy09]

What I would do if blue frogs came back for a time.

1.make armoursmith/tailor/artisan, collect resources and try to make the best crafted armor, make speeders for everyone, run around theed making costumes for random people.

2. roll a FOTM toon and join a large pvp group.

3.do some NPC camping.

4. practise my grinding stratagy for when the game goes live.

5. have fun

EDIT; did i say join in the epicness of PVP battles.

[madmurdoch2000]

Wipe it and add blue frogs and watch us be right back here in less than 2 months. There are three big bugs in game right now that aren't on that list of fixes. If they aren't fixed a wipe isn't gonna solve a damn thing. The uber weapons/dots will be back in a matter of no time.

so wot if they don't fix the bugs your thinking of? the bugs your thinking of maybe be fixable without wiping the server or the fixes maybe in the OR already. if this fixes any bugs that can only be a good thing.
as for uber weapons and dots they may be part of the fix because they do have on the list that they are doing something to dropped weapons vs crafted ones.

[Dheco]

Well since the wipe is an inevitable choice, i think it should planted the blue frog again, if not for the items then just for the skills. it will be hell if you start your crafting pro that took month for grind

You would be grinding while waiting for resources, or would you rather get master in a day and wait doing nothing?

[Qui-Larek]

Gents can we cease with the posting of 100 pics of blue frogs as well as the discussion about blue frogs, both of which are cluttering up the thread.

[Metal]

Haha, aye, and some people forget it's just a game. If this wipe brings us even just 0.001% closer to a finished, workable server than I support it.
Besides, if you don't like grinding up, why are you playing? Grinding IS a large part of SWG.

It seems you mixed up me with some one else. I never said i dont like to grind. I like to explore and kill mobs underway ;) and i have no problems what so ever becouse of the wipe.

[Valdosemu]

Wipe = Yes
Blue Frog = No

[badboy09]

Wipe = Yes
Blue Frog = No

please explaine why.

[Raven118]

Wipe = Yes
Blue Frog = No

shush u joined 3 months ago :o

[Elvaron]

The only real thing for development to get out of this is testing whether the exploit fixes are working. Anything else is up to you guys and has little to nothing to do with development. The OR is on it's way but it'll take a lot of time, so you need to decide how you want to play until then. With a wipe to get rid off the results of exploits or without.

[Mahonra]

Gents can we cease with the posting of 100 pics of blue frogs as well as the discussion about blue frogs, both of which are cluttering up the thread.

Ok on the pics. Totally understand.

But why cease discussing the pros and cons of adding BLUE FROGS?

[badboy09]

can i keep it in my SIG?

[Bredon_Kin'dragon]

I say wipe it.

Just when ya do, make sure you fix the intentional known/possible dupes, as well as some generaly odd bugs, like toons who load up with someone else's clothing on, from a different account. Only to watch it disapear the next restart, or consumables which seem to bounce back to characters who traded it away, once again after a restart. Or how about tiny little creatures. (I tend to find that amusing though)

Fixing things seem odd because the Devs have stated over and over again this code wont be overhauled and fixed because its basically dead code, especially with the OR on its way.

BUT - Please do wipe this WITH fixes, and itll be worth it.

As for people crying about paying for training or it being hard to grind up ANY combat toon... COME ON. Only the crafters have a legitimate ***** with having to wait for resource spawns, but hey we dealt with SOE, and they didnt even give us a chance to vote on it.

Kudo's to the guys running this, its fun as hell, but please clean it up a bit when ya wipe.

-B

[Qui-Larek]

Ok on the pics. Totally understand.

But why cease discussing the pros and cons of adding BLUE FROGS?

Because that is not the topic of discussion right now.

[Arlam]

Nowwhere does it say in the first post that they would add blue frogs after the wipe. Blue frogs doesn't appear to be up for discussion. Wether to wipe a test server that will have to be wiped again in the near future is the topic.

[salem]

You would be grinding while waiting for resources, or would you rather get master in a day and wait doing nothing?
I voted yes and i have jedi char by the way, but if you want to stay grinding for a week or more to make us good armors or weapons be my guest.
oh and about master in a day and wait doing nothing so no point of making master at all.

[Mahonra]

Because that is not the topic of discussion right now.


I think it is very relevant to discuss pros and cons of adding BLUE FROGS if there is a wipe. I know I'm not the only one.

[Kaleigh]

I propose that Mahonra be banned from the forums for 1 day for posting a Ke$ha video! :D

[roodypooh]

if they are going to "revise" the unlock system wouldn't it be wise....for future OR testing.... to put in the original holo system if that is whats going to be used in vanilla unless its the village system which would entail god knows how many npc missions quests etc etc... rather than goin with something like the current system which won't even be in live?

Just wondering cause if you hammer out say the old hologrind system or makeshift village missions for now wouldn't that go along way towards finishing one aspect of the old game instead of putting something totally different into the works?

Sure everyone might know the old systems well but doing either the hologrind or makeshift village system would be something building towards the endcoding rather than having to totally rewrite the unlock code every few wipes to keep people guessing....sure its fun to figure out each new system but if its going to prolong the end result i'd say keep it as is or go back to what it originally was.

[Vlada]

One of the stupidest things STAFF can do right now is to bringing Blue Frogs back, other would be removing Jedi completely.

And two are linked together. One you put Frogs back in the whole Jedi system stops working since profession grind is removed form the equation, economy ceases to exist because of frog equipment, and community goes bye, buy.

Blue frogs = Everyone is a Jedi, which no one will allow to happen, or Blue Frog = Jedi removed, which means only 100 instance logged on NOVA instead of +1k (like we had last summer).

So lets just drop this idiocy and get back on topic.

[Freedon]

From the sounds of it a wipe will allow the tester to fix a few bugs that can't be fixed because of toons currently in game and potential inventory stuff.

It is a test server. Things can only get better post-wipe. Long as it's being done to make the project go forward, game on.

[badboy09]

One of the stupidest things STAFF can do right now is to bringing Blue Frogs back, other would be removing Jedi completely.

And two are linked together. One you put Frogs back in the whole Jedi system stops working since profession grind is removed form the equation, economy ceases to exist because of frog equipment, and community goes bye, buy.

Blue frogs = Everyone is a Jedi, which no one will allow to happen, or Blue Frog = Jedi removed, which means only 100 instance logged on NOVA instead of +1k (like we had last summer).

So lets just drop this idiocy and get back on topic.


im sure the staff said there would be a different unlock system, so it does not matter.

[Dheco]

I voted yes and i have jedi char by the way, but if you want to stay grinding for a week or more to make us good armors or weapons be my guest..
oh and about master in a day and wait doing nothing so no point of making master at all.

I think you are forgetting that you can't make anything good until the right resourses spawn, so grinding is the only real think you can do.

[Mahonra]

I think you are forgetting that you can't make anything good until the right resourses spawn, so grinding is the only real think you can do.

Do some people actually grind crafting profs for fun? Like do some people really enjoy grinding crafting xp?

[darkprincess69]

Voted

[Solitomortis]

Has it been stated when this Poll will conclude? I thought I heard a week but I quickly skimmed the first few pages and missed any dates.

[deadcold]

Do some people actually grind crafting profs for fun? Like do some people really enjoy grinding crafting xp?


in live i ground out AS WS DE master artisan on my main toon for fun then dropped them for TKM and master ranger bought 2 more accounts and re ground out all the crafting proffs on them

[giffo]

and Jedi gunned down in a barrage of one second speed, 1000 damage carbine/BHs.

on live in the before times, that sadly didn't kill jedi, not all the time anyway

[giffo]

when is this poll going to be completed? when 80% of accounts vote or a few days etc? jw the requirements for completion

[MarlonB]

Inv/credit wipe only .... no reason to drop characters ...

Just gimme a naked dude with a few credits.

[ChixDigit]

Wipe without an upgrade is silly.

[MarlonB]

your a noob!

I know ... i've only been around for 3 years :)

[badboy09]

Why wipe? this is test center right? no need for a wipe, we all can wait for OR. all the cry babies out there, Stop ur CRYING!!!!!! Just play the game or wait!

why does it not suprise me that all the people that make this same comment are only here a few weeks/months?

and you have also contradicted yourself yes its a test centre, it gets wiped so you stop crying!

[thatguyzp]

I have no problems with a wipe, so I voted yes.

People should expect wipes at anytime, as it has already been stated several times that they could potentially wipe the server whenever they feel the need to.

[badboy09]

I know ... i've only been around for 3 years :)

i quoted the wrong guy
/fix

[Kaleigh]

Oh and btw. If we really are thinking about seriously doing a wipe, can we get a solid ETA? At this point I feel like loggin in and doing much of anything is pretty pointless, so I hope it is right around the corner if we're gonna do this.

[badboy09]

I don't mind it, it's a means to an end. I do like the task of getting the resourses to level, I think some people are forgetting that you don't get 200k of resourses dropping in your inv.

dude on the last test centre there was wipes every week and sometimes days, but you just went out and got new resources. you get used to it.

[badboy09]

Oh and btw. If we really are thinking about seriously doing a wipe, can we get a solid ETA? At this point I feel like loggin in and doing much of anything is pretty pointless, so I hope it is right around the corner if we're gonna do this.

agree would like to see this happen ASAP.

[Futureshock]

Oh and btw. If we really are thinking about seriously doing a wipe, can we get a solid ETA? At this point I feel like loggin in and doing much of anything is pretty pointless, so I hope it is right around the corner if we're gonna do this.

Yes, very much so. I'm against a wipe for the reasons stated, but I'm not going to cry if it happens. One way or the other, I'd like to get it over with as soon as possible.

[Worlack]

Wipe it. At the very least it might get some of these drama *****s to stfu.

And NO to blue frogs. With the experience amount set to what it currently is, those that are mad about regrinding need to go back to WoW. It's an utter joke to master a profession.

[Vlada]

Oh and btw. If we really are thinking about seriously doing a wipe, can we get a solid ETA? At this point I feel like loggin in and doing much of anything is pretty pointless, so I hope it is right around the corner if we're gonna do this.

It is because its not around the corner that they are potentially doing this. If OR was near completion than it would be pointless to wipe the server now only to wipe it again in a month or two.

[badboy09]

Wipe it. At the very least it might get some of these drama *****s to stfu.

And NO to blue frogs. With the experience amount set to what it currently is, those that are mad about regrinding need to go back to WoW. It's an utter joke to master a profession.

with blue frogs YOU HAVE THE CHOICE TO GRIND OR NOT TO GRIND THAT IS THE QUESTION, i did both before i would again!

[Vlada]

with blue frogs YOU HAVE THE CHOICE TO GRIND OR NOT TO GRIND THAT IS THE QUESTION, i did both before i would again!

Yea right, not even you believe this.

[alexiskool12345]

Wipe it. It's the Test Center people, grow a pair.

[Echoesintime]

I'll tell you now,

The hacking will never stop unless you implement some kind of software where the packet injection can be pinpointed from each client that logs into your server. I know from experience.

The Jedi system should be set back to the way it was during the current patch your emulating. Don't try and please people that think differently, its stupid and ignorant. The server is meant to emulate a certain point, so don't add stupid **** to it to make it any different.

If this is indeed an emulation, I'd try to shoot for something that is more stable on the return of a wipe anyway. If what you said about the server's OR not being even close to completion, I would hold off on it all together. It doesn't make any sense to erase the player and item base that you have worked on for well over a year.

A possible answer to your "OR": Open up a new test server for your current OR testing and leave this one to sit. You could even host both on the same console, judging from how much memory the current emulation is using. Its not that much more difficult, and its very possible with the funding you've been getting from all of these very very generous testers.

Focus on the known bugs first, and do the catering later. Its not worth everybody's time to redo the entire thing and start from August 2009.

[Kaleigh]

It is because its not around the corner that they are potentially doing this. If OR was near completion than it would be pointless to wipe the server now only to wipe it again in a month or two.

Nowhere did I say ETA on OR... I said ETA on the wipe... jeebus!

[CrackPipe2011]

FROGS!

But the frogs should only give you skills... let the crafters make everything else

[MarlonB]

Indeed ... get this over with swiftly ... after reading this poll i lost all motivation to continue grinding.

Again, I say NO to a full wipe, YES to an inventory wipe and bugfixes.

Honestly, i couldn't be bothered leveling my chars again (just finished) and would probably sit back until OR ... and I feel with me several others.

[Deus In Machina]

I vote Yes, do Wipe TC. Please. Fix exploits, etc. This is a TC anyway, and it will be wiped one day or another, so might as well wipe now and start over with a clean server, until the OR hits.

I have 3 characters, all full template, and one of em working on his 20th rumor. But I honestly don't care, as long as the server is cleaned up. While you're at it, any chance of some little adds, like backpacks?

[Futureshock]

Wipe it. It's the Test Center people, grow a pair.

The majority of the people opposed to the proposed wipe are not against the server being wiped, ever. We are opposed to it being wiped for the reasons given.... and NO, we are not all Jedi with hacked items, thank you kindly.

[Mahonra]

Wipe it. At the very least it might get some of these drama *****s to stfu.

And NO to blue frogs. With the experience amount set to what it currently is, those that are mad about regrinding need to go back to WoW. It's an utter joke to master a profession.


And what about people who have:

Master Rifleman
Master Swordsman
Master Doc
Master Ranger
Master WS.

Its not a JOKE to have to regrind 6 alts. I personally only have Mahonra and Tigarra. But I know a LOT of people with at least 6 or more alts.

[tonkatuff]

Oh and btw. If we really are thinking about seriously doing a wipe, can we get a solid ETA? At this point I feel like loggin in and doing much of anything is pretty pointless, so I hope it is right around the corner if we're gonna do this.

Its all pointless anyways. I mean eventually they are wiped regardless for OR. OR Alpha, OR Beta, Sun Crusher implementation. Everything you are doing now is pointless if you want to look at it that way.

I feel an weapon / armor wipe is vastly needed along with fixed (lowered) loot tables. No more sentinel lvl loot period. I have a Power hammer sliced 2.1k. Are you serious?

As a Jedi, I was fully mind buffed and fooded and got 1 shotted by a T21. I have +25 saber block, +25 ranged Def , and I also have 0400 in the ranged defense tree. How in the WORLD should/could I get one shotted?

The items are out of hand and as this is a TEST CENTER, they need to be FIXED since they have been extensively tested and are NOT where they are supposed to be.

[Karde]

No.. Why? Cheaters always find a way. a Wipe would only hinder them for some weeks and then it would start over, thus only ****ing people over who Grinded Doctor/armor/weaponsmith etc. like Mahonra said...

The Best Solution in this case would be to ignore it. Cheaters always will be there and nothing will stop them forever.

@Tonkatuff : A 2xxx-5xxx Legendary t21 would oneshot you...6 times over :P


Edit: No iam Not a Cheater and neither do i approve of it.. But i just stated a hard fact

[CrackPipe2011]

I just want frog skills.... not gear

[tonkatuff]

Mohonra, you act like its hard to level those professions? Most people have leveled stuff with lair bugs anyways. I leveled to master carbineer in 3-4 hours lol. Crafting professions are the only ones people have a right to complain about, period.

[Adler1984]

I must say that something telling for me...is that a large number of "wipe" advocates not only have caveats but also are advocating "fast easy ways to master a profession" (i.e. blue frogs) "just to start". Yet after a bit of time we know the frogs would go away, thus screwing over anyone who came after the frog time. I almost have to wonder if a main motivation some people's desire for a wipe is to be able to GET the blue frogs so they don't have to grind to get a profession, thus being all "set up" with minimal effort to become the next "uberleets" on the server. Hmmmm...

Granted, this isn't an accusation or anything, just noticing an interesting correlation between those who are wanting the wipe and those advocating blue frogs.

[JonnyMe]

Let me throw a statistic in here, all the jedis and credit dupers are voting no, everyone else is voting yes.

Anyone disagree?

[tonkatuff]

No.. Why? Cheaters always find a way. a Wipe would only hinder them for some weeks and then it would start over, thus only ****ing people over who Grinded Doctor/armor/weaponsmith etc. like Mahonra said...

The Best Solution in this case would be to ignore it. Cheaters always will be there and nothing will stop them forever.

@Tonkatuff : A 2xxx-5xxx Legendary t21 would oneshot you...6 times over :P

Did you play back in the day? There was no such thing as a 2k+ T21. The very rare / few legendary T21s / Phammers back in the day were 1.4kish tops. The dots were killer on them. Every weapon you see now is legendary quality. A weapon off a sentinel (with a good luck roll) is TONS better than the legendarys off of DJM / Ancient Krayts. It shouldnt be that way period.

[CrackPipe2011]

I must say that something telling for me...is that a large number of "wipe" advocates not only have caveats but also are advocating "fast easy ways to master a profession" (i.e. blue frogs) "just to start". Yet after a bit of time we know the frogs would go away, thus screwing over anyone who came after the frog time. I almost have to wonder if a main motivation some people's desire for a wipe is to be able to GET the blue frogs so they don't have to grind to get a profession, thus being all "set up" with minimal effort to become the next "uberleets" on the server. Hmmmm...

Considering half the people voting for frogs have a fully grounded out jedi...

PvP was awesome when the frogs where in. That's why i want them back. It's dead atm.

[Vlada]

I love how this thread proved my point form the previous "Wipe" thread.

[Grinch99]

Had to vote no on a wipe now. Wait for the OR then wipe it all out.

[Mahonra]

Its all pointless anyways. I mean eventually they are wiped regardless for OR. OR Alpha, OR Beta, Sun Crusher implementation. Everything you are doing now is pointless if you want to look at it that way.

I feel an weapon / armor wipe is vastly needed along with fixed (lowered) loot tables. No more sentinel lvl loot period. I have a Power hammer sliced 2.1k. Are you serious?

As a Jedi, I was fully mind buffed and fooded and got 1 shotted by a T21. I have +25 saber block, +25 ranged Def , and I also have 0400 in the ranged defense tree. How in the WORLD should/could I get one shotted?

The items are out of hand and as this is a TEST CENTER, they need to be FIXED since they have been extensively tested and are NOT where they are supposed to be.


You could have +100 in SB tapes and your SB would still only be +90 total.

Ranged defense only decreases the chance for a successful hit. Even with 0400 Defender and your +25 Ranged Defense tape, you STILL have less than 100 total ranged defense. Which is worthless against the 200+ accuracy of a master carbine / MBH, or the 200+ accuracy of a master rifleman.

[Valkyra]

Wipe - Yes

Blue Frogs - No

[badboy09]

FROGS!

But the frogs should only give you skills... let the crafters make everything else

why it wont stop me from trying to make the servers best crafted item, if your a crafter, you will craft end off.

[tonkatuff]

Let me throw a statistic in here, all the jedis and credit dupers are voting no, everyone else is voting yes.

Anyone disagree?

Me and my friend both have full temp Jedi's and we voted yes.... to a full wipe. The game , be it test center or otherwise is REALLY out of balance. It needs to be fixed. I can see them **** canning all gear , but not wiping the characters, which is probably the best thing.

[OlisJ]

And what about people who have:

Master Rifleman
Master Swordsman
Master Doc
Master Ranger
Master WS.

Its not a JOKE to have to regrind 6 alts. I personally only have Mahonra and Tigarra. But I know a LOT of people with at least 6 or more alts.

There are people with a dozen full template alts, I know quite a few myself included.

[Mahonra]

I must say that something telling for me...is that a large number of "wipe" advocates not only have caveats but also are advocating "fast easy ways to master a profession" (i.e. blue frogs) "just to start". Yet after a bit of time we know the frogs would go away, thus screwing over anyone who came after the frog time. I almost have to wonder if a main motivation some people's desire for a wipe is to be able to GET the blue frogs so they don't have to grind to get a profession, thus being all "set up" with minimal effort to become the next "uberleets" on the server. Hmmmm...

Granted, this isn't an accusation or anything, just noticing an interesting correlation between those who are wanting the wipe and those advocating blue frogs.

Hey! I have a full template Jedi AND a Master Bounty Hunter. Both of which are the hardest and longest grinds of all professions. So trust me I am not advocating BLUE FROGS as a means of a "fast and easy" way.

And I think BLUE FROGS should remain in game until the OR. But they shouldn't give items. Only skills.

[Dheco]

dude on the last test centre there was wipes every week and sometimes days, but you just went out and got new resources. you get used to it.

I know, I've done it a fair few times, and I still don't mind doing it.

[JonnyMe]

Me and my friend both have full temp Jedi's and we voted yes.... to a full wipe. The game , be it test center or otherwise is REALLY out of balance. It needs to be fixed. I can see them **** canning all gear , but not wiping the characters, which is probably the best thing.

I was wrong yah!

Yah its a test server, the quality of the game for me I feel is the most important of it.

[Jahnee Ventoor]

Yes, I vote to wipe the bastard..........how bad could it be........gonna have to do it one day anyways.

[gmore75]

I voted no for a character wipe.. If you want to wipe items fine if not.. I'll be mad about losing my Master CM and Pistoleer (which I just got mastered).

I do plan on jumping to the OR because I don't like playing on Test Servers. But SWG is back in its full glory.. Thank you for your hard work.. If I have to start over to make things better fine.. I just won't like it, but I'll do it.

I hate exploiters / dupers... they ruin everything for us all...

If you do the wipe can you fix the following to:
Get the MOB to full size again.. Hate killing Torturs smaller then my knee..
Fix the Harvestors also.. I am missing 7 atm..

[Kryssalyd]

I vote Yes, do Wipe TC. Please. Fix exploits, etc. This is a TC anyway, and it will be wiped one day or another, so might as well wipe now and start over with a clean server, until the OR hits.

/agree
I vote yes. Since the beginning we knew that this server would be wiped. If that can fix any problems, do it please !

[badboy09]

I voted no for a character wipe.. If you want to wipe items fine if not.. I'll be mad about losing my Master CM and Pistoleer (which I just got mastered).

I do plan on jumping to the OR because I don't like playing on Test Servers. But SWG is back in its full glory.. Thank you for your hard work.. If I have to start over to make things better fine.. I just won't like it, but I'll do it.

I hate exploiters / dupers... they ruin everything for us all...

If you do the wipe can you fix the following to:
Get the MOB to full size again.. Hate killing Torturs smaller then my knee..
Fix the Harvestors also.. I am missing 7 atm..



hate to disapoint but the OR is not final, it is also a test centre and will go through wipes on a daily/weekly basis.

[keloch]

I support a wipe. But group xp must be fixed! The game is ment to be played togheter, not grinding by your self on some distant moon and never see another player.

[JonnyMe]

No, I do not have a Jedi, and I am not very rich. How does your post contribute to giving feedback to the Devs in making a decision?

You obviously did not read any of my other post, lets not troll here.

All the devs are reading these post and our input really matters so lets keep this one topic, I was just throwing a static in there so see if it was true, I was wrong.

[Dheco]

I do agree that group xp needs to be put back to pre nerf rates.

[Lyserge]

Personally, I think there are far too many tweaks and fixes* (in particular) required to consider this a viable constructive use of time. It'll just be another destroyed economy being wiped before OR anyhow IMO.

[fortunofiasco]

Well for all those asking for a wipe because the economy is screwed, answer *this* :

=> Would you also want only *one* character per account and only *one* account per player ?

Because if not, and no matter what the loot tables are or if there is duping or not :

The economy will return to a major inflation anyway...

Because of the infinite number of lots an account can have, because of the infinite auctions a player can have at the bazaar, because of people being self sufficient as they'd have their own buffing and crafting toons...

Any wipe before the OR that lets people running multiple toons will not prevent a massive inflation to happen again.

[roodypooh]

not the bowcaster, i have a similar one, and it doesnt come close to 1shot jedi thru FA2, but it drains their force fast

plus you VERY RARELY seen those types of weapons live.....maybe 1-2 on server and the rest were mainly normal. Nothing like now where everyones running around with the same high damage weapons.

[trelace]

I donate my cash in hopes that things will slowly, but surely, be fixed, but is this enough? I am guessing a wipe will be the best bet, but I just started a few months back and don't know every detail of what is messed in the game. I am gonna vote yes, simply because I love this game and would definitely like to see it move forward. I trust the Dev team will do whats best for the game. I feel it is a privilege to play PRE-CU SWG, not just because its free of charge, but because some oldschool gamers ,like myself, took initiative to resurrect the game that SOE left smoldering in their wake. Do what's best for the game!
-Spaghett

[fortunofiasco]

you have not been reading the posts. BLUE FROGS ALSO FIXES THIS PROBLEM!

You have a serious misunderstanding on how the SWG economy would or wouldn't work normally if you think frogs will fix the problem...

[jamMa]

because of the nature of the game, inflation will always happen. Granted it seems like the current situation is booming because of a massive influx of credits from somewhere ( many people say / think dupers). But why must everyone else be punished for a few bad apples ?

[odwill]

Please keep all comments and posts on the topic of the wipe. This thread is our source of information and will be moderated heavily. Please do not clog it up with a bunch of picture and worthless posts.

[Dheco]

Well for all those asking for a wipe because the economy is screwed, answer *this* :

=> Would you also want only *one* character per account and only *one* account per player ?

Because if not, and no matter what the loot tables are or if there is duping or not :

The economy will return to a major inflation anyway...

Because of the infinite number of lots an account can have, because of the infinite auctions a player can have at the bazaar, because of people being self sufficient as they'd have their own buffing and crafting toons...

Any wipe before the OR that lets people running multiple toons will not prevent a massive inflation to happen again.

An economy inflated this way I can live with on a test center, however an economy ruined by cheaters and exploiters I can not.

[Khargash]

Wipe it hard.

[Spaced]

Voted yes

I think some have a grasp of the game they're playing, but they don't seem to understand the type of server they are playing it on.

[Wooktherebel69]

Whether we like it or not TC will continue to get wiped, its the most efficent way to fix bugs, test patches etc. Im gonna hate losing my credits and i dont mind wiping the characters if theyre gonna do major fixes, for example if theyre gonna revamp the jedi system and really make it challanging by all means wipe the characters maybe we wont have so many jedi running around its starting to feel like the old republic.

[zuzgai]

it seems to me, with my very little experience writing code, that bringing in blue frogs that only give skills and not items will result in something almost anyone in the community wants... some poor developer searching through code finding where and how the blue frog was coded to eliminate the items rather than assisting with the OR.

Also doing the wipe or not will move the project forward, its just two different approaches. a) you either sit and learn how people are exploiting your system or b) you learn how to stop the exploits with trial and error

[butjer100]

Sounds to me like all the most heavy cheating people did get to test the game fully, but for us all honest people that had to work to ge there .. well i didnt get that high and rich yet, takes alot time, and if they wipe now, wont even had enuf time to reach higher playing grounds, a full wipe gonna scare away lots hard working honest testers.. all the dupers and chaeters didnt loose so much time grinding etc, i bet they mind less .. and, what gonna keep em from finding other ways to exploit, we gonna face each time a wipe someone uses exploits ? its a test server anyway, bad things happen all the time, wether u gonna wipe it or not, the first day after u wiped, i am 100 % sure some bad peole still find some exploits wich they tehn use extensivley, why even bother try to fix TC if OR is at our doorstep almost... if u really want to test stuff, just add in new content to test, there are loads people now to test it !, sure bunch of em are cheaters but, who cares for the economy on a test server, i bet there will be more damage done from a wipe, the cheaters wont be gone, but lots honest non cheating people might just say they wait it out till OR since well, they did loose their honest hard work, if the server had issues and get bugged since of the old content and items, i say, do a wipe. but that isnt the case, would only wipe since some cheat... some ALWAYS cheat tho, no matter how bug free u make the game, if u would wipe just for that, then i sure vote NO, since if this is the case, u can wipe every month, people cheat all the time, in every single game, EVER made ...
so , to fix bugs and issues, Wipe Yes
to get rid of dupes and cheaters, Wipe No

thats my 2 copper, I played 10 year mmorpgs, and even in the cleanest games, there are cheaters that do find .. some way.. to cheat
so a wipe, only punish the good people, the bad people will sure find .. some .. way again to get it all faster 'again' as all the rest, so a wipe only makes the bad people be first on top ' again ' ...
so in the long run, it solved not alot, just probably did let alot people go 'hmm' that will wait now for OR and not play on test no more
I played other emulators in progress
Each wipe, there are less and less testers .. thats just a fact, doesnt has anything to do with patience
And it iddnt get rid of the cheaters tho, these keep return find new exploits
Guess i let the other people to decide what to do lol wipe or not ..
Personally, i dont think it will solve alot, in 2 months we most likely have a simular problem all over again, sad but true /
Putting in Gungan's probably would make up alot for wiping ofcourse, but that will make the economy not better if everyone can make all himself so easy since it took 1 minute to make a master crafter for instance ..
On the other hand would be good to test all professions fast lol, but i dont think it will make the economy actually better if everyone has a set of crafters
i better stop or this getting a long post P

Hugs, Pouky xxx

guess i ll just go with what get decided by the rest hehe

[jermat]

i cannot believe we have this up for debate. do or do not this wipe. DO NOT ask for feedback from this community. these are the same people that gripe and grit everytime server goes offline. the same people that propose crackpot notions on a daily basis for future server ideas. the same people that still havent figured out what pool points are. ill concede some of the people are the same that might donate once a semester but cmon guys really this seems like the most ignorant thing done by the devs/csr's to date. remember this is a testcenter after all. and by testcenter i mean a server that is not of normal play standards.( i know this might be hard for some to grasp) but we shouldnt be trying to recreate a play server on nova.

[jermat]

btw the term tester should be dead, weve tested the ever loving **** out of this revision. until they patch in something substantial we are all just playing around here so stop acting like peope are really testing nova code.

[Yreaga]

Full wipe and put the gungans back in so we can play the game without having to grind again.