[Re-Revised] TC:NOVA Wipe Proposal

[jat5560]

Wipe it, and then only allow us to create 1 toon each. This will shed some light on which professions will be chosen on a live server with a limited amount of players...

[Nero1209]

Total wipe is an amazing idea. The server is in shambles currently and this would definitely fix it.

[Veros]

Wipe it, and then only allow us to create 1 toon each. This will shed some light on which professions will be chosen on a live server with a limited amount of players...

So true!!!

[Raven118]

i think only jedi's should be wiped :o

[Joshino]

[QUOTE=jermat;588657] the same people that propose crackpot notions on a daily basis for future server ideas. the same people that still havent figured out what pool points are. QUOTE]

Whats the blue bar do is it do with the jedi? Or is it my mana bar or something>?

[badboy09]

btw the term tester should be dead, weve tested the ever loving **** out of this revision. until they patch in something substantial we are all just playing around here so stop acting like peope are really testing nova code.

yup have have not truly tested this code since sept!

[Raven118]

[QUOTE=jermat;588657] the same people that propose crackpot notions on a daily basis for future server ideas. the same people that still havent figured out what pool points are. QUOTE]

Whats the blue bar do is it do with the jedi? Or is it my mana bar or something>?

mana bar? WoW is bad for your self esteem dewd

[giffo]

Wipe it, and then only allow us to create 1 toon each. This will shed some light on which professions will be chosen on a live server with a limited amount of players...

I agree with the one toon each per account, just wasn't brave enough to say it :D

[carlossanchez1980]

Wipe it, and then only allow us to create 1 toon each. This will shed some light on which professions will be chosen on a live server with a limited amount of players...
This only will shed light uppon how hard is to make a krayt weapon with only a WS at hand and you'll never see one ingame. And i'm quoting just to inform, not flaming or anything.

[Solitomortis]

Please keep all comments and posts on the topic of the wipe. This thread is our source of information and will be moderated heavily. Please do not clog it up with a bunch of picture and worthless posts.

When will the Poll be over?

[Raven118]

yea but wont that mean if they unlock jedi they have to delete their old toon? -_-

[jermat]

on a side not some of you guys were out there handsampling resources as if we didnt know that worked fine, while others of us were out testing/exploiting ham bars mechanics and container functions AKA the storm ban. point being community should not be involved in this. as agent K said in men in black "persons are smart people are stupid".

[Dheco]

This only will shed light uppon how hard is to make a krayt weapon with only a WS at hand and you'll never see one ingame. And i'm quoting just to inform, not flaming or anything.

I know plenty of people that only play crafters, there will be more then enough crafters to supply the server.

[neomancipator]

even though I don't want a wipe, I somewhat support it. I did just get to a point where I can start finding good items and I can actually DO my rumor (90k+ ham mobs are a pain). but if a wipe means better stability all around then lets go for it.
it wasn't too hard to get to the point where I am now. I think if I just don't worry about Jedi then I could probably get back there relatively soon.

[aogvortex]

I vote for a full wipe.

[badboy09]

I vote for a full wipe.

this + blue frogs

can wee bring back azironman to?

[Raven118]

if theres ganna be a new jedi unlock method i support a full jedi wipe :)

[Brilliance]

This only will shed light uppon how hard is to make a krayt weapon with only a WS at hand and you'll never see one ingame. And i'm quoting just to inform, not flaming or anything.

Is that a bad thing? I'd much rather have 1-2 super excellent special weapons over the entire server population than having them be the norm.

One character / account per person is fine by me as well, although a couple of characters each probably works better on a server like this.

Anyway, back on topic!

Oh, and to chip in on the main topic of the last few pages: OmgNo to blue frogs or any other crap like that. Grinding combat is trivial as it is, and while artisan is somewhat more time-consuming on a fresh server, at least you have the advantage of actually being able to make _useful_ stuff without being master. That newbie-made E11 is suddenly looking pretty good to the people grinding combat.

[maxemo]

I know plenty of people that only play crafters, there will be more then enough crafters to supply the server.

Exactly! I was a master Armorsmith,Artisan and merchant on live and it was pretty awesome.

[jermat]

you guys do realize simply wiping this server will not add any more stability. well perhaps it may but to do so would take away from important devtime. because there would have to be a code update. simply wiping and pushing restart wont do a goddamn thing

[Kainzo]

It seem a majority of people voted "yes" because they just want to do whatever the developers want to do. Which doesn't help the actual voting at hand. It wasn't what YOU think they developers want, it's what ever YOU want on the test server.

If I'm wrong and the developers just want a wipe anyways, they should just do it, I agree with them, but on a personal note, I'm against a character wipe - I believe there is no reason on 'fixing' a server on death row as soon as the OR comes out.

[jermat]

If I'm wrong and the developers just want a wipe anyways, they should just do it, I agree with them, but on a personal note, I'm against a character wipe - I believe there is no reason on 'fixing' a server on death row as soon as the OR comes out.



wow what a friggin concept. ding ding ding we have a winner

[secken]

/wipe

DO IT!

[neomancipator]

Is that a bad thing? I'd much rather have 1-2 super excellent special weapons over the entire server population than having them be the norm.

One character / account per person is fine by me as well, although a couple of characters each probably works better on a server like this.

Anyway, back on topic!

having only 1 character per server was my biggest gripe on live.
that being said, there is only 1 server here. so you then limit a person to only take 1 profession and stick with it. on live you had multiple servers. so, if you got bored grinding your crafter you could log in on another server and play something else to ease the monotony. if you're going to limit the number of characters a person has then limit it to 2.
in all actuality, this is a test server. so there shouldn't be those kinds of limitations until a RC (release candidate) is ready to be tested.

[hraka]

In my opinion, the purpose of the wipe is to test the stability and effectiveness of the items listed in the original post. Once these new items are implemented and hashed out, that is one less set of items that must be perfected prior to live release. Waiting until OR means likely longer testing and possibly further conceptualization AFTER OR. Implementing the wipe and the changes now is progress to a live server.

[fortunofiasco]

having only 1 character per server was my biggest gripe on live.
that being said, there is only 1 server here. so you then limit a person to only take 1 profession and stick with it. on live you had multiple servers. so, if you got bored grinding your crafter you could log in on another server and play something else to ease the monotony. if you're going to limit the number of characters a person has then limit it to 2.
in all actuality, this is a test server. so there shouldn't be those kinds of limitations until a RC (release candidate) is ready to be tested.

Well as a matter of fact one solution would be to have a few test galaxies so you could have one toon on each and see how that goes.

It would be an excellent test both to see if the server or cluster of servers can handle multiple galaxies : like 2 or 3 for example, as well as looking as how populations and economy behave with one toon per, no triple xps, no easy mobs, no silly loot...

Say nova-1, nova-2, nova-3...

When one is deadlocked you go play your crafter on the other... etc... etc...

Or... One with blue frogs, one without...

[Polyfemis]

WIPE IT and put back full xpoints so leveling is much slower... slower growth to keep us busy while you all work on the OR...

Maybe people can gain a much stronger feeling of accomplishment when they hit master.

I don't have a problem to grind again... is it fun?? well... it is part of the game...

It's all temporary anyway. We all know it. So stop fretting people and just try to enjoy it!

[MarlonB]

In my opinion, the purpose of the wipe is to test the stability and effectiveness of the items listed in the original post. Once these new items are implemented and hashed out, that is one less set of items that must be perfected prior to live release. Waiting until OR means likely longer testing and possibly further conceptualization AFTER OR. Implementing the wipe and the changes now is progress to a live server.

That's not the reason though ... it's to fix the corrupted economy created by cheaters. The wipe will bring nothing new ...

[aggregator]

While I can definitely see that many people don't agree we should have a wipe due to the fact that the OR is coming and it seems redundant, which it does, I see the value in the wipe. The wipe will do many things even if the game is left as is, this includes leveling the playing field for those new to the emu, and hopefully building up a sense of community as we come together to rebuild what has been lost.

When the newbies go running missions together, which was not common after the last wipe as we have way more people around now (so I'm told) we should see the grouping begin. Also I know more than one person who has been talking about guilds as if they don't exist, and there are a few but no one really knows one another, it's all about melee stacking and solo'ing anything. I'm not against that ability but at least there would be comradery for a while.

If they get rid of the ease of jedi unlocking, and make the uber guns disapear, weaponsmiths will start to see their crap needed, as opposed to the guy who farms Nightsisters on dath, and comes back and sells the guns for 200k to 400k. That weaponsmith needs some love too don't you think?

As far as jedi, yes the rumours were time consuming, only doing 5 myself, I can imagine what 15 to 20 would have been like. I also know, having had a jedi on live, that that grind isn't particularily loving either (I gave up on mine, unlocked in january 04, didnt play after february) so I can feel your pain for your template'd jedi, but the server is filled iwth people who started at different times, imagine what it would be life if everyone had a role, and all (1k ish I suppose) of us all had the same starting point. Yes some people would pull ahead, but the group would have cohesion.

That was my very rambling, very sideways and redirecting way of saying. Nuke it.

[Brilliance]

that being said, there is only 1 server here. so you then limit a person to only take 1 profession and stick with it. on live you had multiple servers. so, if you got bored grinding your crafter you could log in on another server and play something else to ease the monotony.

Fair point about variation. I don't quite agree with the 'no restrictions at all' sentiment though, but then I have a very masochistic approach to gaming and absolutely hate having access to everything without being made to choose. A question of personal preference I guess.

[vieppedfire]

If we are talking about fixing the crafting in the game ie. adding houses factories the better harvesters, then yes wipeing is a great idea. Makeing jedi harder to get bad idea. This is the TC people are supposed to be able to get jedi, from what I have read jedi will be revamped for the OR, at that point I doubt 90 percent of the players will ever unlock. I say let everyone have it. I know people complain about too many jedi, but what is it to them. Its the mightier then tho syndrome, you dont deserve it, you are not uber cool enough to make jedi. Thats crap, Ill say this soe did not destroy swg, was the trollers always whineing about this or that and the devs trying to make them happy IM seeing this cycle again. stop whineing if someone is better then you are go find out why and fix it yourself. there are so many ways to get good so many weaknesses that one spec has that another spec might beat. That is the fun of swg. Stop being jellous of what others have and go get it for yourselves. In conclusion, wipeing the server because a few people are whineing is not going to change anything it will only make them whine for more. Do not get me wrong Im all for progress, but this wipe is to appease few who have been flameing on the forumns I dont see any reason for it.

[hmspils]

Sigh.... fine wipe it... but can we PLEASE have CH? sorry... had to beg there.....

[hraka]

That's not the reason though ... it's to fix the corrupted economy created by cheaters. The wipe will bring nothing new ...

That is exactly the reason: Fixes to dupes and new jedi system are certainly new things that need to be tested for their effectiveness and stability on overall gameplay.

[jermat]

im curious to how many dummy accounts are being made to trump up votes for this nonsense

[Lamune]

I see that most of "yes" voter have no idea for what they were voting.

Yes they do. Most of them have been very clear about their reasons.

"OLOLOL NO MOAR JEDI! LOLOLOL QQ HAHAHA! I GET MAH SPACESHIP NOW PEWPEW!"

http://www.bluefrogmediaaz.com/images/bluefrog.png

[Rip181]

I do not agree with one toon per account. On live i bought two games to have two toons.

I agree with having a limited number maybe 2 or 3 but not 1. since we are not allowed two accounts.

I had a combat guy and a cook on live and that was fun. really opens up the game a little allowing you to do both.

[Dheco]

If we are talking about fixing the crafting in the game ie. adding houses factories the better harvesters, then yes wipeing is a great idea. Makeing jedi harder to get bad idea. This is the TC people are supposed to be able to get jedi, from what I have read jedi will be revamped for the OR, at that point I doubt 90 percent of the players will ever unlock. I say let everyone have it. I know people complain about too many jedi, but what is it to them. Its the mightier then tho syndrome, you dont deserve it, you are not uber cool enough to make jedi. Thats crap, Ill say this soe did not destroy swg, was the trollers always whineing about this or that and the devs trying to make them happy IM seeing this cycle again. stop whineing if someone is better then you are go find out why and fix it yourself. there are so many ways to get good so many weaknesses that one spec has that another spec might beat. That is the fun of swg. Stop being jellous of what others have and go get it for yourselves. In conclusion, wipeing the server because a few people are whineing is not going to change anything it will only make them whine for more. Do not get me wrong Im all for progress, but this wipe is to appease few who have been flameing on the forumns I dont see any reason for it.

What? This wipe is to fix/remove exploited weapons/credits/items not because of e-peen issues.

[badboy09]

It seem a majority of people voted "yes" because they just want to do whatever the developers want to do. Which doesn't help the actual voting at hand. It wasn't what YOU think they developers want, it's what ever YOU want on the test server.

If I'm wrong and the developers just want a wipe anyways, they should just do it, I agree with them, but on a personal note, I'm against a character wipe - I believe there is no reason on 'fixing' a server on death row as soon as the OR comes out.

it will be more easy for the devs to do a complete wipe rather than leave partial bits and i am sure they will want to add as little time to this as possible, unless they want to test the new unlock system.

[MarlonB]

That is exactly the reason: Fixes to dupes and new jedi system are certainly new things that need to be tested for their effectiveness and stability on overall gameplay.

Both are not relevant to the OR? Different code, different jedi unlock afaik.

The reason they keep this poll is not because a wipe is necessary, but because people are asking for it ... huge difference.

My feelings are not based on any inside knowledge though :D

[mindslicer]

item/credit wipe, but maybe after the wipe increase drop rates for like a week or so, because you will have tons of people who have all these skills but no real weapons/armor etc. people will have to wait to get resources enough to jumpstart the economy again. A way to fix the credits would be just to wipe all those inventory things.

[badboy09]

item/credit wipe, but maybe after the wipe increase drop rates for like a week or so, because you will have tons of people who have all these skills but no real weapons/armor etc. people will have to wait to get resources enough to jumpstart the economy again. A way to fix the credits would be just to wipe all those inventory things.

did you not read the first post?

[hraka]

Both are not relevant to the OR? Different code, different jedi unlock afaik.

The reason they keep this poll is not because a wipe is necessary, but because people are asking for it ... huge difference.

My feelings are not based on any inside knowledge though :D

But the concept of the new unlock system can certainly be tested now. I am not positive but based on prior posts ( I think by Kyle) that the devs are not happy with the current system and are looking for a concept that gets them whatever balance they deem the sweet spot. Conceptually that can be tested now and is not tied to the OR. I voted for wipe because I am for anything that gets us to live faster. If in fact this all because of people whining about gameplay on a test server I am not in favor of wipe. I do however have faith in the developers of EMU that that is not the case and that this is a move that can be made now instead of later for conceptual testing purposes.

[Metal]

For admins:

- No frog
- Hard or no jedi (up to you, admins)
- 1 Slot per character
- No dual boxing - instant ban (i think this rule is already in efect).

[vieppedfire]

Every weapon has a serial number so do item credits do not but for vet players makeing credits is very easy. This wipe is being preposed because of exploited weapons and items ie a pawn issue not a game issue. Again I see no reason for it. Why not ban those items instead of makeing everyone else start over. dont wipe them but if you get caught useing them a ban the player.

[cyschli]

im curious to how many dummy accounts are being made to trump up votes for this nonsense

Me too considering we've had over 1000 on the server at peak time and we don't have that many votes yet...

On a not so flamey note, the credit duping has made the economy so out of whack its really not all that fun to log onto the server anymore. For that reason alone I voted yes, since it was also stated they dupes would be fixed. This will allow the devs to make sure their fixes work and as previously stated that does move us towards a finished product. I don't mind regrinding, one of the beauties of SWG was that grinding a template was never really all that difficult. If you stopped enjoying your template, change it no big deal, week tops you have a brand spanking new setup to toy with. So I don't think anyone can serious gripe about regrinding in this game. I'd love to see the uber weapons done away with. I don't however see a need to make a new path to jedi, that's a waste of dev resources. I would however like to see the bugs in mell mission fixed to cut down on the waiting line we've ended up with lately as I hear.

[John_Sidewinder]

If I may ask, when is this wipe happening? I don't feel like leveling my character anymore if I know its all for nothing. :/ Would rather start again soon!

[ironmaidenn]

Someone elses hacks have had no noticable effect on my gaming experience so i vote NO. However, it IS a TC so do whatever advances the formation of a fully operational deathstar, er,server. A full wipe WILL cause people to quit, and a healthy economy needs more players, especially crafters, not less.

[Lamune]

did you not read the first post?

Come now. You can't actually expect the players to do something as extreme as reading. Or at the very least understanding what's going on and voting appropriately. Educated voters... hah! There are Jedi to be purged!

[badboy09]

Every weapon has a serial number so do item credits do not but for vet players makeing credits is very easy. This wipe is being preposed because of exploited weapons and items ie a pawn issue not a game issue. Again I see no reason for it. Why not ban those items instead of makeing everyone else start over. dont wipe them but if you get caught useing them a ban the player.

this is gonna take a long time to find all of the duped weapons and delete them and i do not think it would be possible. but if you read the first post you would know that they will only do a full wipe!

[vieppedfire]

I didnt say delete them I simply said ban a player for useing them

[Jahruh]

lol why does an admin have to approve my post?

[Dheco]

Every weapon has a serial number so do item credits do not but for vet players makeing credits is very easy. This wipe is being preposed because of exploited weapons and items ie a pawn issue not a game issue. Again I see no reason for it. Why not ban those items instead of makeing everyone else start over. dont wipe them but if you get caught useing them a ban the player.

You need to read up on this issues a lot more.

[MarlonB]

thas gonna take a long time to find all of the duped weapons and delete them and i do not think it would be possible.

Actually, it's a table in the database ... 1 delete statement would do it.
However, it will not fix credits and items bought by duped money.

Only a full inventory-credit wipe can fix this.


Heh .... the trade forums almost came to a full stop thanks to this poll :D

[Vlada]

This has nothing with people wanting to contribute, or with progress of the project. This is a bout revenge.

All those supporting this wipe are pissed off and all they see or hear form people opposing the wipe:

1. I'm an exploiter and i want to keep my UBER exploited items.
2. I'm a credit/holo/items duper and i want to keep my stuff an maybe sell them for RL money if i get the chance.
3. I bought credits/jedi/account for RL money and i dont want to give up on what i payed for.
4. I am a 12 year old kid who just unlocked Jedi and i want to wave my glow bat
5. I'm lazy and i cant be bothered to AFK grind in Jabba cave again i just want to sit on top of my CW and farm her 24/7

There is no dialog here, two sides will never find a common ground.

Lets face it, NOVA is screwed up, someone needs to be blamed. STAFF cant or for some reason wont punish people that screwed it up and keep screwing it up, so players see this as the only way get rid of those exploited credits and items, and punish those stupid enough to pay RL money for items or credits or an account on a TC that will be wiped anyway. That's whats going on. Lets not hide behind testing, progress, contributing, dedication or anything else remotely connected to this project.

[badboy09]

i didnt say delete them i simply said ban a player for useing them

and how much time should the devs invest in this?

[Lamune]

On a not so flamey note, the credit duping has made the economy so out of whack its really not all that fun to log onto the server anymore.

So because you can't afford a holocron, and the lolmgOP weapons are too expensive for you to buy, that sucks all the fun out of trying to hunt down your own?

Really now?

I don't mind regrinding, one of the beauties of SWG was that grinding a template was never really all that difficult. If you stopped enjoying your template, change it no big deal, week tops you have a brand spanking new setup to toy with. So I don't think anyone can serious gripe about regrinding in this game.

It's great that you enjoy playing a TK/Doc. Not all classes can be leveled in a few hours by retarded monkeys.

Grind a new Master Musician in a week, nugget. Go for it.

[Kainzo]

It seems a bit unfair to revise the poll about the wipe and update information after 300+ people already voted. It seemed like the poll was instituted quickly instead of being thought out first.

Also, can we have a third option, "Don't care OR whatever the devs want"

[Dheco]

I didnt say delete them I simply said ban a player for useing them

They cant keep track of every item in the game and who uses them, most duped/exploited items/credits have been traded or passed to innocent parties, do you suggest banning them too?

[Lamune]

This has nothing with people wanting to contribute, or with progress of the project. This is a bout revenge.

...

Lets not hide behind testing, progress, contributing, dedication or anything else remotely connected to this project.

I'mma gonna' make Wookie armor again after the wipe just for you. <3

[Brilliance]

I didnt say delete them I simply said ban a player for useing them
They still have to be identified and tracked. You can't just ban a guy for using a duped weapon since he might have bought it innocently, possibly several links removed from the person who actually duped it. Unless of course duped weapons already have a huge, ingame graphic tag saying DUPED across them.

[vieppedfire]

Come on man, we are taking up there time with a wipe for someone getting reported and the devs seeing the item in question on thier account would take less time then this and I believe that most would stop useing items in question

[ArcAngL]

A full wipe looks like a reasonably simple way to fix the stated problems.

[mommad]

Well as much as I'd like to not see a wipe happen, if it is for the actual improvement of the game via getting rid of hacking and exploited items then by all means go ahead and do it before I get too far into my character grind. I would ask though that you please please please leave Jedi unlockable as that was one of the reasons for me to play the emu, so I could experience doing that again.

[cyschli]

So because you can't afford a holocron, and the lolmgOP weapons are too expensive for you to buy, that sucks all the fun out of trying to hunt down your own?

Looted holo, looted OP weapons(and auctioned them) Kthx bye.





It's great that you enjoy playing a TK/Doc. Not all classes can be leveled in a few hours by retarded monkeys.

Grind a new Master Musician in a week, nugget. Go for it.
Look up Estelline, master ent/master musician/master dancer/master ID

That's me. Flame less, constructive posts more. Buh bye troll

[jermat]

They cant keep track of every item in the game and who uses them, most duped/exploited items/credits have been traded or passed to innocent parties, do you suggest banning them too?

not entirely true, myself and others have had items deleted however i will stay to topic. im not sure to the extent they can,but they can see and monitor alot more than you think. its just a timesink to do so.

[Brilliance]

All those supporting this wipe are pissed off

Lets face it, NOVA is screwed up, someone needs to be blamed.

Really? I feel rather calm at that. Nor do I really have any reason to be angry. I've no interest in punishing anybody, but I do think a wipe is a wonderful way of restoring balance after the (currently known) means of exploiting have apparently been fixed. And I like fresh starts.

Also, if I'm going to be included in some sort of rampaging revenge mob, at least give me my complimentary torch and pitchfork. Really, it's the least you can do when wholesale pigeonholing people.

[jermat]

ill state my position again, i cant believe this is up for public debate.

[cyschli]

Really? I feel rather calm at that. Nor do I really have any reason to be angry. I've no interest in punishing anybody, but I do think a wipe is a wonderful way of restoring balance after the (currently known) means of exploiting have apparently been fixed. And I like fresh starts.

Also, if I'm going to be included in some sort of rampaging revenge mob, at least give me my complimentary torch and pitchfork. Really, it's the least you can do when wholesale pigeonholing people.

Yes I agree, if we are supposed to be an angry mob nerd raging, I would like my picket sign now.

[MarlonB]

not entirely true, myself and others have had items deleted however i will stay to topic. im not sure to the extent they can,but they can see and monitor alot more than you think. its just a timesink to do so.

I have indeed seen code that lists ranks of richest users / best items etc.
But indeed, that's only detective .. you want preventive measures :)

[_Pi_]

I do support a full wipe.

[neomancipator]

How long would the small upgrades (i.e. jedi unlock and bug fixes as mentioned in the OP) and wipe take?

[MarlonB]

I do support a full wipe.

Ofcourse you do ... you joined this month :)
You probably don't have 6 full templated characters to lose.

[vieppedfire]

This is a dictatorship, the simple fact that we are being asked tells me its not needed

[Valkyra]

Ofcourse you do ... you joined this month :)
You probably don't have 6 full templated characters to lose.

I have 6 fully templated/geared characters, including 2 jedi.

I voted yes still...

[Zetch]

I think at this point it is somewhat obvious that there are going to be more votes to Yes than No on the poll. The question we should be worried about now is, are the devs actually going to go through with it, and if yes, then when?

If we get an estimate on about when if they decide to do it, then we will be able to see what's actually worth going and doing in game right now. Is it worth logging in and grinding? Or should I just go goof off in eisley or cnet?

[jermat]

lol everyone should try to use the term "Wholelsale pigeon holing" in a sentence today.

[MarlonB]

I have 6 fully templated/geared characters, including 2 jedi.

I voted yes still...

Good for you.


What I wonder though is ... how many votes are objective? How valuable is a vote from someone that joined 2 days ago? How clear is the goal they are trying to achieve? Isn't it confusing that the wipe is for both fixing dupes, but they also threw in "let's change jedi"?

More and more do i think they shouldn't have asked .... because i don't know anymore :)

[butjer100]

I am just not very convinced a wipe will fix anything, only 2 months after the wipe we will know hehe .. but ..
I guess just would vote ' I decide whatever the DEVS emselves like best and what would help OR server best' if we had that option )

hugs Pouky

[zope]

I honestly want a wipe but I think others are right when they say lots of people will leave. Although it doesn't appear to be the majority, losing that much of the community could be very hurtful. I just think for the good of keeping the community at a good size you hold off.

Also I should just throw it out there that swg gamers are probably still fragile from the CU/NGE and are probably not as accepting to large change. Nerfs always split of communities. Just imagine what people will do with one this large. No this isn't a nerf per say but having everything you worked on removed without incorperating something to make up for it (ie OR), seems like a nerf and will absolutely cause a lot of anger and quitters.

[Eeslesrik]

I know the dev team is not big on ETA's, but do you have a proposed time for the wipe? The poll is saying a wipe is likely.

[Vanz]

I don't see the point in wiping... yet. More needs to be fixed first, imo.

XP rate, loot drops, loot vs crafted, jedi unlocking system, item / money dupes, and more need to be addressed. I'm afraid a wipe won't solve much without it.

If key issues can be fixed, then I'm for a wipe. A wipe is pointless without changes to test, or at least changes that will influence the community in a positive direction.

[vertwheal]

wipe it and put back full xpoints so leveling is much slower... Slower growth to keep us busy while you all work on the or...

Maybe people can gain a much stronger feeling of accomplishment when they hit master.

I don't have a problem to grind again... Is it fun?? Well... It is part of the game...

It's all temporary anyway. We all know it. So stop fretting people and just try to enjoy it!


this

[Crazyduck]

Wipe it:
1.)It's a test center, more for experimental purposes than just for fun.
2.)It will be nice to start on equal footing when the OR comes out

I think bringing new things to the test center without wiping it will cause us to miss more problems if not cause more problems...

[Valkyra]

Question to those in the know:

With this wipe, will jedi lightsaber schematics be altered so their damage is more realistic to that of a Pre-CU lightsaber?

Then the damage ratio for each skill special can be adjusted back to normal?

[neomancipator]

I don't see the point in wiping... yet. More needs to be fixed first, imo.

XP rate, loot drops, loot vs crafted, jedi unlocking system, item / money dupes, and more need to be addressed. I'm afraid a wipe won't solve much without it.

If key issues can be fixed, then I'm for a wipe. A wipe is pointless without changes to test, or at least changes that will influence the community in a positive direction.

did you not even read the original post?


What we propose changing
* Revising the jedi unlock
* Implementing credit duping fixes
* Implementing item duping fixes
* Better equalizing crafted items and looted item quality
* Fixing bazaar exploits

[badboy09]

about these people saying they will leave, well let them leave they are the wrong type of people to have on a test centre.

[caratacos]

No. I just begun playing the game.

[Adler1984]

I honestly think that too many people are voting yes or no to this whole thing without enough information. There are too many "I vote yes IF" or "I vote no UNLESS" statements on here. I propose a closure of this thread, the devs work out the details, then post up a full OFFICIAL poll once all the details are ironed out. As it is I know about 200 or more people had voted before the "Revision" took place and gave more info... So maybe call this an Opinion poll and use it as a means of saying "ok x% says they'd be for it so let's work out some concepts" then put the official poll up say... a week from now?

[waynea]

mugane here . i might be for a wipe after my hard grind and the insane lag and rubber banding. making 1 synthetic cloth every 5 mints struggling for my 12 points over 5 months. sampling resources when you had to walk and die every 5 minits. sure i am for a wipe if they can guarantee me its not just going to happen again next week. just give me my skills and resourses i have worked 6 months for.let alone the fact i got to remake and regrind my char .i have worked harder in here for my position than in rl . the last wipe was because of duped items get real

[boneybone]

Badboy, you havent played long enough to have an opionon lol, Specificly about letting people leave, because we arnt testing anything at the moment, anyone who believes they have tested anything lately is a noob, an the wrong type of person to have peroid =)

The server is a service, while the OR is being written, lol, So why are they the wrong people for a test center server?

[badboy09]

No. I just begun playing the game.

its not a game yet!

[lunatic_magnet]

I voted no. IMO fixing exploits and hacks, while an important task, doesn't merit a wipe. If additional features like, housing, harvesters and containers were implemented I would be inclined to say yes.

With an impending wipe happening when the OR is ready why not just wait till then.

Just my $.02

[JamisonG]

Ok, the polls are clear...

Are we going to get a wipe or not? And if so, WHEN?

[Fivo]

I think we should all give due to the devs work and their recommendation that a wipe be enacted in order to move to the next stage.

Does a wipe irritate grinders? Heck yes. Will the wipe move progression toward more features? Yes, according to the devs.

I accept that the latter is more important to the goal of getting a final server system working so we may install working servers to support the communities awaiting a full, working SWGEMU.

[Dheco]

Come on man, we are taking up there time with a wipe for someone getting reported and the devs seeing the item in question on thier account would take less time then this and I believe that most would stop useing items in question

You seem to think that everyone that exploits advertises themselves "hey look at me and my exploited stuff"

Unless your suggesting that the mods actively audit everyones accounts?

[waynea]

I honestly think that too many people are voting yes or no to this whole thing without enough information. There are too many "I vote yes IF" or "I vote no UNLESS" statements on here. I propose a closure of this thread, the devs work out the details, then post up a full OFFICIAL poll once all the details are ironed out. As it is I know about 200 or more people had voted before the "Revision" took place and gave more info... So maybe call this an Opinion poll and use it as a means of saying "ok x% says they'd be for it so let's work out some concepts" then put the official poll up say... a week from now?

agreed

[tonkatuff]

To clarify my earlier post about getting one shotted as a Jedi fully buffed with full mods with a rifle... it wasnt a rifle. It was a carbine. Since when can you one shot someone with 2850 mind with a carbine?

erm 3450 health rather.

[mackdaddy123]

Advantages: Duped economy would be reset, jedi would be more of a mystery again


From all the whinning on the forums for the last few months about both of these issues why would you vote against it or do you people just whine to whine?

[Eeslesrik]

To clarify my earlier post about getting one shotted as a Jedi fully buffed with full mods with a rifle... it wasnt a rifle. It was a carbine. Since when can you one shot someone with 2850 mind with a carbine?

erm 3450 health rather.

This is why in SOE SWG pre-cu there were damage and speed caps and looted weapons beyond cdef and anything a marksmen would use didn't exist, everything was crafted.

[shnibitdohget]

How long is the vote going to go on before it's calleD?

[panderiz]

Even though I'm new, I'm against the wipe mainly because I see no reason to wipe characters since no exploits were done to them. Wipe the items and cash since they were already exploited.

[spinx]

i vote no there not much point if you are gona wipe it when OR comes out anyway after all its only a test

[lcrouane]

Whilst I agree it's hard for players to lose their present point in the game, I believe that when everyone signed up for an account they realised that this is a TC and as such any problems will be ironed out whilst the project is in the testing stage. How can developers implement changes when there is an outcry everytime? The TC that is supposed to be a testing vehicle for a final product morphs into a half working game that kind of does what it should but will never realise it's potential because fixes that need to be implemented cannot be done because the testing community refuses to accept the changes, which is madness.

The game is free and whilst it is I believe that players should embrace the changes and test them for the developers. That's what game testers do? If we were paying for the service then I agree that our opinions should make more difference but as it stands, we are just testing a product. I speak as both a digital product tester and a 6 year vet from SOE's version that cancelled his sub to play this. I am testing this game before live, and so is everybody here. My 2p worth. Flame away. :)

[Eeslesrik]

Even though I'm new, I'm against the wipe mainly because I see no reason to wipe characters since no exploits were done to them. Wipe the items and cash since they were already exploited.

To all the post similar to this saying "wipe part"

In the OP it was stated that half wipes and anything in between no wipe and a full wipe was out of the question because its just a mess.

To wipe partially here's an analogy; Go into your music library (mines about 30+gb) and erase every song with A in the title and O in the album name and S in the artist name.... Its a royal pain in the arse.

[Jolly]

I vote yes. I just hope to get some more features like houses and hopefully CH can get up and running quicker.

[Mawak]

I fully agree with Icrouane. We're on a test center, wipe is an eventuality. It's the way it has to be.

[Vegitaa]

Full, complete, total nuke and pave style wipe.. I'm totally down for that.

[MarlonB]

To all the post similar to this saying "wipe part"

In the OP it was stated that half wipes and anything in between no wipe and a full wipe was out of the question because its just a mess.

To wipe partially here's an analogy; Go into your music library (mines about 30+gb) and erase every song with A in the title and O in the album name and S in the artist name.... Its a royal pain in the arse.

If you would do it manually .... computers can do it for you though :)
A bit of databases and sql ...


Removing items and cash sound easier to me then reading all the complaints on the forums ;)

[carlossanchez1980]

I vote yes. I just hope to get some more features like houses and hopefully CH can get up and running quicker.
That's why this tread need to be rebuilt when devs stablish the base of the real changes and "Bold" the real changes, because a lot of people vote without having sense of what they're doing.

[bluree]

A wipe now would be pointless.

Why waste time with revising Jedi and fixing loot tables when the majority of the code is dead and won't be used in the OR?

The community keeps petitioning for things that they want and isn't needed. Ignore them and stick to the dev teams initial goals.

[Dragolith]

I also support Item wipe only because of alot of the weapons that have been sliced more times then they shoulda been and OP BH's with stupid dots. One issue i see if they wipe all items is how are Jedi gonna survive? Let us keep atleast 1 saber?
But if they do wipe they need to LEAVE Jedi:lightsaber: as OP as they were in Pre-CU not this blatant crap they are now which is a mere sham of there former selfs.
And they make Creature handler a actual proff. Because i know a few like myself who would love to have CH back in the game.

[Vanz]

Wipe it:
1.)It's a test center, more for experimental purposes than just for fun.
2.)It will be nice to start on equal footing when the OR comes out

I think bringing new things to the test center without wiping it will cause us to miss more problems if not cause more problems...

Agreed. Everyone knows this server isn't permanent / long term. A wipe should be done to help further the progress of the emulator. A wipe for the sake of a wipe, or a wipe for the sake of making some crying nubs happy doesn't solve anything, not does it further the progress of the community.

The devs should do whats best given the circumstances. Only they know if they've created fixes for dupes and what not. A wipe without fixes means we'll end up right back at the same spot. (Thus making a wipe pointless!) I'll leave it up to them to make the right decision.

[Vegitaa]

The post clearly says "We will NOT consider any partial deletes because they would just cause big problems."

[Adler1984]

I vote yes. I just hope to get some more features like houses and hopefully CH can get up and running quicker.

These items were not stated, and the code for the TC server is old code compared to what's being used in the OR. CH will not "come quicker" from this. I wish people would read the whole message and realize that all this does is really provide a short term economic fix for the duping and tosses out "possible" crafted/looted items being more even, and the Jedi unlock being a mystery as added side-bonuses. This will NOT bring any other changes other than what's stated as the OR code is the priority and the devs are tossing this option at us as something to consider.

[shnibitdohget]

I'd prefer no wipe but...

If it would genuinely help the testing and development process, I'd be fine with it.

If it is to appease some whiners, then please don't.

[Kainzo]

I vote for a re-vote with all things explained BEFORE voting. It was voting blind for the first 300 votes on this, and now after knowing theres no partial wipe whatsoever possible im sure would want to change their mind.

Not to mention there is no third option. Bi-partisan systems suck.

[Kufu]

I must say that something telling for me...is that a large number of "wipe" advocates not only have caveats but also are advocating "fast easy ways to master a profession" (i.e. blue frogs) "just to start". Yet after a bit of time we know the frogs would go away, thus screwing over anyone who came after the frog time. I almost have to wonder if a main motivation some people's desire for a wipe is to be able to GET the blue frogs so they don't have to grind to get a profession, thus being all "set up" with minimal effort to become the next "uberleets" on the server. Hmmmm...

Granted, this isn't an accusation or anything, just noticing an interesting correlation between those who are wanting the wipe and those advocating blue frogs.

No for most of us that want frogs it isn't about having 30 full temp toons. It;s about getting back what we are going to lose without having to spend hours and hours to do it. Even with a frog my toons that are mastered will still be the same as they are now. We are not looking for items only skills. It's a middle ground opton.

We ged ride of all the duped items/credits and bring some sort of balance back however short lived it will be none of us know, and get a few new features. I for one still would rather not have this wipe right now, but if it's comming then please consider the frogs as an option and get the wipe done, because like a lot of people i have no desire to do crap right now just to have it all undone in a couple days.

[Kufu]

I must say that something telling for me...is that a large number of "wipe" advocates not only have caveats but also are advocating "fast easy ways to master a profession" (i.e. blue frogs) "just to start". Yet after a bit of time we know the frogs would go away, thus screwing over anyone who came after the frog time. I almost have to wonder if a main motivation some people's desire for a wipe is to be able to GET the blue frogs so they don't have to grind to get a profession, thus being all "set up" with minimal effort to become the next "uberleets" on the server. Hmmmm...

Granted, this isn't an accusation or anything, just noticing an interesting correlation between those who are wanting the wipe and those advocating blue frogs.

No for most of us that want frogs it isn't about having 30 full temp toons. It;s about getting back what we are going to lose without having to spend hours and hours to do it. Even with a frog my toons that are mastered will still be the same as they are now. We are not looking for items only skills. It's a middle ground opton.

We get ride of all the duped items/credits and bring some sort of balance back however short lived it will be none of us know, and get a few new features. I for one still would rather not have this wipe right now, but if it's comming then please consider the frogs as an option and get the wipe done, because like a lot of people i have no desire to do crap right now just to have it all undone in a couple days.

[darnoc]

Wipe with no frogs, test that

[Adler1984]

No for most of us that want frogs it isn't about having 30 full temp toons. It;s about getting back what we are going to lose without having to spend hours and hours to do it. Even with a frog my toons that are mastered will still be the same as they are now. We are not looking for items only skills. It's a middle ground opton.

We ged ride of all the duped items/credits and bring some sort of balance back however short lived it will be none of us know, and get a few new features. I for one still would rather not have this wipe right now, but if it's comming then please consider the frogs as an option and get the wipe done, because like a lot of people i have no desire to do crap right now just to have it all undone in a couple days.


I understand the sentiment on the frogs, but the question is, how long do they stay up, when do they get removed, can all chars or just one use them, etc...?
Too many unexplained variables overall in this whole proposal, hence me saying try using this as a test vote to see what the interest level is, then put together all the information and have an official vote with ALL the info in place.