TC:NOVA Wipe Poll Results

[odwill]

Hello again EMU community.

The past few days have been crazy around here. We took this polling endeavor seriously and we were hoping for a better outcome. However, the team has been bombarded with concerns and questions by the community over the wipe poll and the possible outcomes. Therefore, due to voting disparities with new accounts, adverse affect on the community of the polling process, and unaddressed issues, we are calling off the poll and the possibility of a wipe. We will stick to the original statement and wipe for the OR when the time comes. As always, we are committed to providing you all with a solid community and game environment. We thought that holding this poll would give the community a voice and a chance at a little more participation.

What we now realize is it may cause more damage then good in the end. To our entire community, we are sorry if this poll in any way affected you adversely, and we will assure you that a similar situation will not happen in the future.

The SWGEmu Team.

[jesmarx]

Thank you :) QQ all you want but cheating never wins!

[Tovo]

yeah....

[AlmightyGrain]

Well at least I can play again without thinking about the wipe


....The vast majority did vote to wipe, and it was your Idea.... did yall think everyone would be happy???

[Spun]

I'll say it again, lol, SHENANIGENS! You've fed the trolls, your'e going to have a monster on yours hands now. I think all hell is about to break loose. Good Luck.

[Dpbaseball1319]

bahahahahahahahahah. man we got trolled hard

[safak]

/waves bye to 1000 or so players

[pawnbroker]

If it walks like SOE, and it talks like SOE, its SOE.......thanks for reminding us all that you're really SOE

[Ashur]

ffs, just because some *****s whined about the wipe

[SomeoneImportant]

I see, so the majority vote doesn't matter? What a shame.

[Selan Suka]

Well at least I can play again without thinking about the wipe

Agreed, although I am disappointed in this fiasco, I thought our community was better than this.

[relentless890]

they got the majority and still no wipe

[Zurian]

Glad I didn't stop harvesting minerals

[roocey]

Good to hear. Thanks! I can't wait to get back to playing :D

[lmleet20]

And I thought this was a test server.

[Raiden Nar]

**** this man!

[MarlonB]

Speechless ...

[Lamune]

Can we still find out who the dupers were so we can throw rocks at them?

[khamsinvera]

66.36% said YES to a wipe

and yet ...

[Labyrinth]

Good luck community staff...you're gonna need it. :p

[keloch]

So the 66% that voted yes will not get there will through? This sounds like something SOE would do,..

Ban me for this if you must, but im outraged...

[Valkyra]

Lol.

Just, lol.

[Ursus]

ok, I can get back to grinding. I feel sad at how the community acted in the polls thread tho, it was like kindergartenx10.

[morris.man]

66%+ means nothing? :(

[darkprincess69]

If it walks like SOE, and it talks like SOE, its SOE.......thanks for reminding us all that you're really SOE


The Vast majority did not want the NGE and SOE did it anyways. The vast majority did want the wipe and we don't get it....

[roodypooh]

yeah figured you guys would pull something like this. lol great way to prove it.

[S4ad0w]

I'm sad right now. But as before I'll stick with you guys and gals. /cheer OR

[Bredon_Kin'dragon]

Best SWG Live Emulator ever. Just like SOE.

When the Developers ignore the desires of the masses.

Jedi fan boys win again.


-B

[BountyKillah]

bah :S

[Ninja]

honestly, who cares about a wipe right, if you dont like the OP weps, get off the TC and wait for the OR, were all getting wiped at the end of it all, so get used to it

[Money]

The dupers win

[Venand]

Not sure you made the right decision, but once its made all I can do is support it.
Please, dont loose your faith in the community, even though we acted like children. The way you handled the situation, the fact that you took the time to ask and listen meant a lot to all of those Nge and CU was forced upon by SOE.

best regards

[zorfa]

I'm so glad this has been resolved. With bells on, I'm going back in.

[Dragolith]

Crap no wipe but what about all the duping? Will that be fixed or still continue because it gets really annoying when ppl jack prices up because of duped creds

[zope]

Hey it's nice to have a dev group that actually listens and cares about the community. I would have liked the wipe as well but kudos to you guys for actually making a decision based wholly on keeping the community intact.

[SomeoneImportant]

Staff supports credit dupers.

[Arien]

Whining minority wins again.

Oh the flashbacks...

[Fivo]

Of course, you could stick in that increased sampling rate and we'd be extra special happy! :)

[bardzini]

2 words:

GOD DAMNIT

[Ama-Ebi]

I appreciate the attention EMU staff has given toward the community concerns and opinions in the matter.

As always, I look forward to spending time in game :)

[roocey]

Wasn't expecting the QQ explosion. But eh, I guess that's how it is. I'm sure those of us who actually don't mind are busy playing or surfing the boards when we should be working! :D

[Joshino]

honestly, who cares about a wipe right, if you dont like the OP weps, get off the TC and wait for the OR, were all getting wiped at the end of it all, so get used to it

Then why won't you duel me?

Also.. Epic fail.

srsly wow.

[Eeslesrik]

Take a second and re-read the posts after the OP in the poll thread. The immaturity of the community was brought out in full color; the called off poll was a respectable decision and I am glad the Dev team is willing to accept the flames for giving into this fiasco.

Props to the devs and +1 internets.

[Lamune]

Of course, you could stick in that increased sampling rate and we'd be extra special happy! :)

Pfft. Just dupe your resources. ;D

I've got like 4 Bliq left over. I can rebuild my empire!

[MarlonB]

At least show us all how to dupe then .. so we are on even playing field :)

[Eeslesrik]

Take a second and re-read the posts after the OP in the poll thread. The immaturity of the community was brought out in full color; the called off poll was a respectable decision and I am glad the Dev team is willing to accept the flames for giving into this fiasco.

Props to the devs and +1 internets.

[Jengu-fet]

That wasn't the only poll. You had multiple polls which all indicated that the majority wanted a wipe. If you're going to ignore the community why bother even having polls in the first place?

[Stevo]

Wasn't expecting the QQ explosion. But eh, I guess that's how it is. I'm sure those of us who actually don't mind are busy playing or surfing the boards when we should be working! :DSWG has always had a huge vocal community. In the end, wipe or not wipe. The community is still damaged. Guess the developers have to go to damage control now.

[Caelera]

Thank you. I actually voted yes (without frogs) but after continuing to follow the thread regarding the poll, I actually wished I had voted no. I am glad you made this decision. There were just too many questions about the integrity of the poll.

[Ninja]

Then why won't you duel me?

cuz u scare me guy lol

[Baigs]

The Devs ask our opinion and they are greeted with extremely childish behavior.. Thank you Devs for attempting to ask our mature opinions and my apologies that you received so few of them and that what did occur was a travesty.

[TayTayMay]

I didn't know there was an electoral college for the Emu.

It was like 75%/25%, then the new accounts started being made and the "no"s start to go up. The dupers duped so they could win again.

/facepalm for encouraging them

[Mecho]

Dammed if they do, dammed if they don't.
Tough call either way, at least the wipe for the OR isn't that far away....one hopes! That's the wipe I really look forward to! :)

[Joshino]

Tbh tho this will do the most damage to the community /facepalm.

[galena]

I appreciate the time devs spent listening to our concerns and cant blame them for this even though i voted yes. What really is a big problem is the communities attitude, we got to this point because some people feel the need to cheat in the game and who dont care about the health of the game. When everyone is given an option as to whether they feel that they want a wipe. Some douchebags start effectively exploiting the voting system so that their view is the one that ends up being taken whether the majority agree with them or not. Without a statistic of how many votes were for/against by accounts of say < 2 days we cannot know whether these people were trying to get the wipe instigated or aborted but whichever it was they are just as much a disgrace as the dupers that got us here in the first place.

[d3vilsfury]

lol

that is all

[keloch]

Why didnt they just make a poll that none of the kiddies could QQ in?! A regular poll without anything else!

Is there any way to remove your account?

[Valdosemu]

let the Duping Continue!

Who wants to buy my holo for 100 mil?

[Valac]

"3. We will only wipe if there is a 66% majority to wipe."
"If the outcome is that 66% or greater votes to wipe, we will wipe the server."

Well, everyone know that the result was 66.36% for wipe when the poll was closed.

Nevertheless, as a new player, this whole mess seemed rather pointless and stupid. Why to put such poll(s), if you are not even gonna stick with them? I would had been happy as things are right now, no wipe etc, heck, I don't even know how bugged the whole economy and all the other stuff are.

Personally I voted for the wipe without any freaking frogs. Now this just leaves bad taste about how things are being handled; give false hopes and then go like this. It's like promising kid he can have money when he does his homework and then when it's done, you say, "sorry, I started to think that you'd only buy candies with those money, so no money for you".

I cannot really comment how things were and are, this is just how I see it by new player's eyes. And I thought the rules were strict on the poll, but I guess I was mistaken. Hopefully things will be different in the future.

[FaTaL_eRRoR]

huh, well....i thought there was more than 66% for yes...be consistent then and wipe i'd say!

guess i don't have much right to speak since i only started a few days ago, but i really hate trying to lvl up and make money with all this inflation and duped items ppl alrdy have...kinda sux tbh

[Sublime]

Thank you :) QQ all you want but cheating never wins!

Surely that's exactly what just happened here? The economic damage persists?


66.36% say yes and you decide against it. Love you Americans and your ideas about voting, never ceases to amaze me :D

[Joshino]

cuz u scare me guy lol

Its just my way of showing affection :(

[chiggy]

I am a person who RESPECTS the admins decisions at every turn. They know more about the project than I ever will so I trust their judgement. If there is a wipe then I am of the opinion that it is their call to make.

I am so glad that my friends toons will not be wiped. It's not about the credits, equipment, jedi etc for me......you might call me 'sad' but I identify real world people with the toons on the test server and to delete them is to delete friends. I know they wont be around forever but to lose everyone I have met here since December.......I'm honestly not sure how i could deal with that.

The only person the dupers cheat is themselves.

[Kainzo]

Thanks for letting us know whats going on! We appreciate your hard work. being one of "on the fencers" it didn't matter either way, I just wanted clarity and a decision!

[relentless890]

the majority becomes the neglected minority

[mugenpovver]

Yeah wow ..that's pretty sad its their words they can change anything they want...but way to get our hopes up and fail to stick to the poll...NICE

[Kainzo]

is it possible to still disable the banks?

[BigEvil]

Hmmf......oh well.....just gonna keep grinding my doc

Whats the world coming to when you cant get a buff in Cnet hospital?

Lets just get back in there and play....gotta get a bagillion credits to get my new CDEF Pistol

[jjDraGiN]

Im laughing my azz off now bc you will lose half your community now either ay because you know how many people gave **** out? u know how many holocrons were givin out... Talk about a jedi boom now and bc some QQers didnt want it ur backing down when i remembr reading you said you werent going to feed them good job

[Valdosemu]

I didn't know there was an electoral college for the Emu.

It was like 75%/25%, then the new accounts started being made and the "no"s start to go up. The dupers duped so they could win again.

/facepalm for encouraging them

Exactly

[Vlada]

BIG mistake. :shakehead:

[Ninja]

Tbh tho this will do the most damage to the community /facepalm.
THIS

is it really that big of a deal? because they didnt listen to a premature wipe, they're gonna do it again anyways, id rather them DO NOTHING about the TC and finish up the OR then wipe it for the appeasement of hte masses
Its just my way of showing affection :(

im no masochist sir

[Tobel]

Ehh damned if you do, damned if you don't.

Special and more important question:
Joshino: WTF is that picture? Cannot compute.

[morris.man]

SWG is cursed when it comes to dealing with whatever community plays it.

[Domikraus]

this thread is full of anger :o eeevil ghost eeeeeeevil ghost !

[-DominioN-]

This will probably sound bad to many but don't you think telling us how much our opinion matters then going against your own word TWICE and telling us our opinion does not matter in the end is going to be more adverse than a bunch of whining hackers not getting their way would have been? Feels like a slap in the face after all the post reading and deciding and such to just tell us in the end you never wanted it to happen anyways? Tell us something, if it did not go as you expected then what did you expect. I think we all deserve the answer to that one.

[Spun]

Hey it's nice to have a dev group that actually listens and cares about the community. I would have liked the wipe as well but kudos to you guys for actually making a decision based wholly on keeping the community intact.

Do you live in some parallel universe? lol

[Bulbous]

66.36% said YES to a wipe
And did you not read how a 66.6% majority was needed for a wipe? This was a righteous decision.

GOOD JOB DEVS! Forget this nonsense, and roll on with the OR. Then will we wipe this sandbox and get on with the real work!!!

[spydirus]

There should have never even been consideration. Thankfully the devs saw the issue. Finish the work you are so well working at then wipe it when a live server is ready.

For all those who are *****ing about the game cause you are broke, just do what I did, grind a profession and dedicate time to loot. It is really not that hard.

[Kainzo]

Glad I was able to gather 5 holocron during the "THE SKY IS FALLING CAUSE THERES A POLL UP!"

[Barber]

ima agree with everyone here by saying your against the majority. I voted no but give the people what they want. and that is a wipe!

[trunck]

has SOE bought out the EMU?

[Raven118]

that sucks
but really u should wipe all jedi tbh theres too many

[Vlada]

And did you not read how a 66.6% majority was needed for a wipe? This was a righteous decision.

GOOD JOB DEVS! Forget this nonsense, and roll on with the OR. Then will we wipe this sandbox and get on with the real work!!!

Actually Kyle said it should be more than 66%, but since that thread went bye, bye...

[Xisien]

hm.. late April fools? :D

[RavenLock]

This whole thing makes me laugh.

Oh what the future holds.

[Kainzo]

Actually it was just more than 66%, but since that thread went bye, bye...

Actually, I was on a call at work and refreshed my page before the call, it was just under 66.5% - as I still have the page open with 1980 votes or so.

[Joshino]

Actually it was just more than 66%, but since that thread went bye, bye...

It was around 70%

There was 47% roughly for blue frogs.
24% roughly for straight wipe.

[safak]

And did you not read how a 66.6% majority was needed for a wipe? This was a righteous decision.

GOOD JOB DEVS! Forget this nonsense, and roll on with the OR. Then will we wipe this sandbox and get on with the real work!!!


i KNEW the 66.6 was going to come into play.
want to see something interesting?

20 seconds before close
http://img689.imageshack.us/i/pollaminutebeforeclose.png/

database error, 20 sec later back up pool closed
http://img191.imageshack.us/i/pollafterclose.png/


just enough votes, all thrown in 3rd option to get it under 66.6 (Which is a statistical imposiblitly btw)

[Tyler Durden]

Odwill - Thanks for putting an end to this Crazyness. The way people reacted in that poll was embarasing to say the least. (i voted wipe + frogs) but i fully understand why this has turned out this way and i think you have made the right choice.

All involved in that farce should hang your heads in shame, NOW the devs wont be so open with us, NOW they will not welcome input directly from us. Thanks a lot!

[Lamune]

And did you not read how a 66.6% majority was needed for a wipe? This was a righteous decision.

The original text was 66%. Not 66.6%. "Over 66%."
That was something a poster invented mid-thread and people decided to run with it as the new gospel...

Either way, whatever... but do we really need to continue making **** up?

[relentless890]

it was only 66% they wanted not 66.6% - that's what some fifth grader said, not a dev

they got 66.36%, the "majority" that is now being firmly neglected

people gave out still like it was Christmas, maybe even more than C-Day

[Freedon]

I'd suggest a way for the future users to not abuse the system, make new accounts not able to vote for 1 month -after- they've been created.

Also, take all the new accounts that were probably made for "Duping Votes" and delete them so they'd have to be remade. It's easy to tell which ones are which, see which ones have the exact same email. See one email with 10 log-in names, it's a dupe, erase the last 9.

Dupers FTLoss.....

[Vlada]

I updated/edited my post, it was misleading.

[Twiz]

Wow just wow. you people that are calling them SOE need to remember that these people are doing all this FOR FREE FOR US. They made a decision as a staff, you dont like it? gtfo and go make your own emulator.

[Yhor]

Welcome to SOE, the free edition.

Lying, cheating, and generally going back on your word are what drives it.

[waa]

And did you not read how a 66.6% majority was needed for a wipe? This was a righteous decision.

GOOD JOB DEVS! Forget this nonsense, and roll on with the OR. Then will we wipe this sandbox and get on with the real work!!!

ya I read that, and also saw the NO's get over 55 votes in the last ...count em 2 minutes before the thread was locked............ then deleted......then this

How convenient was that?

what was the end result?

[Joshino]

I didn't know there was an electoral college for the Emu.

It was like 75%/25%, then the new accounts started being made and the "no"s start to go up. The dupers duped so they could win again.

/facepalm for encouraging them

this again.

[Horge]

ffs, just because some *****s whined about the wipe

ffs, just becuase some *****s whined about needing a wipe

[Valdosemu]

Wipe = PvP Reborn, Crafting (weapon/food/spices/armor) would have greater value once again and Economy would be more stable (Without Dupers).

No Wipe = No PvP, Crafting (weapons and foods) not really useful, Economy stays all screwed up.

Great Job Devs!

[Spun]

Wow just wow. you people that are calling them SOE need to remember that these people are doing all this FOR FREE FOR US. They made a decision as a staff, you dont like it? gtfo and go make your own emulator.

Or we could just stay here and have our way with this one lol. Don't worry I won't smack it around too much while I'm ****ing it.

[relentless890]

the majority clearly got "duped" here

we only wanted an uninflated economy without credit dupers and 4000+dmg weapons

[galena]

i KNEW the 66.6 was going to come into play.
want to see something interesting?

20 seconds before close
http://img689.imageshack.us/i/pollaminutebeforeclose.png/

database error, 20 sec later back up pool closed
http://img191.imageshack.us/i/pollafterclose.png/


just enough votes, all thrown in 3rd option to get it under 66.6 (Which is a statistical imposiblitly btw)

Please stop throwing words like statistically impossible out, especially since you a) appear to have little to no grasp of statistics and b) have not shown the "statistics" that show it is impossible.

[Jengu-fet]

We should have a vote to see what the community wants.


http://i42.tinypic.com/2d9r6di.jpg

[Joshino]

Wipe = PvP Reborn, Crafting (weapon/food/spices/armor) would have greater value once again and Economy would be more stable (Without Dupers).

No Wipe = No PvP, Crafting (weapons and foods) not really useful, Economy stays all screwed up.

Great Job Devs!

tbh I don't think it will be pvp reborn straight away lol.

but pretty much.

[Lucious]

WAY TO GO WOOOOHOOO.
I am really surprised but it seems are DEV's can learn from past mistakes! SWGEMU FTW!!!!!

[dbinky]

Ya know... QQers ruin everything in every game. Look at SWG, Battlefield Heroes, etc...

[Gapster]

Yay!

[Demos]

So I'm seriously confused......

The poll was to wipe or not.

The majority voted to wipe, so you didn't do it....

Ummmm, am I missing anything here?

This is like ground hogs day with me stuck in a story with SOE......


Thank god APB comes out in a couple of months, and that should hold me over till SW:TOR comes out.

Have fun gang.

[Valdosemu]

We should have a vote to see what the community wants.


http://i42.tinypic.com/2d9r6di.jpg

*Cracking Up*

[Joshino]

http://img689.imageshack.us/i/pollaminutebeforeclose.png

Yeh 66.95%

[Brilliance]

Surprise plot twist! Decision made at least, even if it was a weird one.

[salem]

Thanks and keep moving forward
/cheer

[waa]

i KNEW the 66.6 was going to come into play.
want to see something interesting?

20 seconds before close
http://img689.imageshack.us/i/pollaminutebeforeclose.png/

database error, 20 sec later back up pool closed
http://img191.imageshack.us/i/pollafterclose.png/


just enough votes, all thrown in 3rd option to get it under 66.6 (Which is a statistical imposiblitly btw)

but doesnt 44.23 + 22.72 = 66.95 which > 66.6

Now were seeing why it went POOF huh?

[Spun]

Reminds me of the Florida recount lol.

[pwyll]

Can someone show me how to dupe? I need to play catch up then.

[Kainzo]

It was around 70%

There was 47% roughly for blue frogs.
24% roughly for straight wipe.

Math! - the bane of life!

http://img689.imageshack.us/i/pollaminutebeforeclose.png/

[Nakasi]

The dupers and jedi fan boys win again. A vocal minority beats the opinion of a majority vote. Just like old times, gentlemen. Just like old times.

[VexFallstar]

This whole farce has been, and is an example of how immature a large amount of the community is when given the option to voice their opinion.

Disgusting.

DEVS: you guys will get bashed whatever you do, because no matter how much something will or won't benefit a community, someone will -ALWAYS- whine about it.

Make a plan, and stick with it.
Unless it's NGE.

[Hossdale]

On the brighter side at least now I know how it feels to be a voter in Florida.

[DaFireMedic]

First of all, thanks to the Dev's and Mods. Not for the outcome of this issue necessarily, but for showing showing some consideration to the community and their opinion. This is something that SOE didn't really do, and many are still have a bad taste in their mouths from it. You have nothing to bve sorry about from your end. Many on both sides have much to be ashamed about in their own behavior in this thread, however. We realize that not everyone can be made happy, but we are all have the same overall goal of a Pre-CU SWG server. To that end, I hope we can all work together.

If you guys decided to do a server wipe tomorrow or not, I would still be thankful for having a place to play SWG until the job is done.

[safak]

Please stop throwing words like statistically impossible out, especially since you a) appear to have little to no grasp of statistics and b) have not shown the "statistics" that show it is impossible.

<3 people who have no clue about a subject. hey if you make a post that is condescending, then it makes you sound right? sorry doesn't work all the time.

it IS a statistic impossiblity in a poll, for even a 50% choice get 20 votes in a row(in 20 seconds no less).

now when we are talking an option that previously was at 10% getting every single one of them, its not even a question. sorry. sound even meaner next post and you might trick us.

[Joshino]

Math! - the bane of life!

http://img689.imageshack.us/i/pollaminutebeforeclose.png/

not really, I was basing it on the last time I saw it.

Also yes I've seen that image and its 66.95%

[Mujahed]

I think the US should send in some marines and tomahawk missiles to bring democracy in here. Liberate us!

[waa]

Its not even about yes or no,

its about offering up a vote then throwing it all out the window

What if it had been 60% yes, 40% no and they decided to wipe?

See the principle of it?

Its not about the %, its about giving the voting process the big Saddam Hussein middle finger.

I would have support the outcome either way, but ignoring the results and/or not correcting the mistakes of screwed results is a disgrace

[Jouninxj2]

Um...so there's a majority to wipe twice and you're not going to do it? What was the point of this whole thing then. This is a test server, wipes happen.

[dorrick]

It's hilarious people haven't figured out this whole project is a big scam.

[Katt]

Thank you for a quick end to this matter. I was worried the poll was going to take weeks to resolve.

[AlphaDawg]

Ultimately it was their ,(EMU Team's), choice! They didn't have to post a poll to get our feedback! They did though and some people cheat or whatever happened,! didn't really pay much attention to it. It really isn't that big a deal,the sky isn't falling. It will be wiped soon enough. So relax and enjoy what we have.

[Hutt Thug]

Glad I didn't stop harvesting minerals

I haven't either, but it's because all my harvs are invisible and I can't access them. :(

Too bad about the wipe.

Thanks again for your hard work, Devs!

[Johnnyburma]

no wipe means i crawl back into my hole from whence i came

[Jengu-fet]

http://i42.tinypic.com/j6ivpi.jpg

[Valdosemu]

Its not even about yes or no,

its about offering up a vote then throwing it all out the window

What if it had been 60% yes, 40% no and they decided to wipe?

See the principle of it?

Its not about the %, its about giving the voting process the big Saddam Hussein middle finger.

I would have support the outcome either way, but ignoring the results and/or not correcting the mistakes of screwed results is a disgrace

Right On.

[secken]

/epicfail?

[thecapn2004]

dupers win I guess.

[kookaburra]

At this point I don't believe there was any possibility of a wipe.

This was a ruse to satisfy complaints of cheats and exploits and they had no clue the community would vote in this manner.

[lmleet20]

Its not even about yes or no,

its about offering up a vote then throwing it all out the window

What if it had been 60% yes, 40% no and they decided to wipe?

See the principle of it?

Its not about the %, its about giving the voting process the big Saddam Hussein middle finger.

I would have support the outcome either way, but ignoring the results and/or not correcting the mistakes of screwed results is a disgrace

I agree.

[Bulbous]

Now, now, children! This is not a time for anger, but for joyous celebration! The server ISN'T getting wiped for no developmental reason whatsoever! This is a good thing!

[Ivoh]

When your ass has **** on it, you wipe it.
When dupers turn the server to ****...you should wipe it :O not a hard concept.
Im pissed because they promised a wipe if the majority got the vote, the vast majority got it, and instead of keeping the promise, they tell us "Nevermind"...

[Lamune]

This was a ruse to satisfy complaints of cheats and exploits and they had no clue the community would vote in this manner.

There is no hate like Jedi hate. ;)

[pwyll]

Probably won't be back now till the OR wipe for the most part. Barely logging in anymore as it is.

[kailos]

http://i42.tinypic.com/j6ivpi.jpg

LOL Epic!

[JFmax]

A fresh start would have been nice, but its not the end of the world

[Eekoo]

I lol'd

[BigEvil]

http://i41.tinypic.com/2lj4xhz.jpg

[Tobel]

In other news...

http://www.mangaclub.ch/urd/funPics/misc/dumbledore-is-gay-lolcat.jpg

[fallingidols]

so glad I started getting things in order because I took this polling seriously.
so glad nothing's being fixed with the economy.
so glad the majority of us lose out here.

so glad.

[Zetch]

Although I am disapointed, I must say thanks to the devs for at least trying to get everybodys opinion. There will always be somebody unhappy but either way, thanks for at least trying to give us a chance devs. It showed you care about the community.

[ColdTriton]

So I'm seriously confused......
Thank god APB comes out in a couple of months, and that should hold me over till SW:TOR comes out.

Have fun gang.

This mindset right here just bothers the ***k out of me. So basically,

-you're here only to play a free game and kill some time until something else comes along.

-you're not really a contributing member of the community

-you really don't care about this game or this project

-you're selfish

-you won't be missed

-good riddance...

[-DominioN-]

Again I ask just one thing of the Devs after making us feel like they have.

You said this did not go as you expected.

Please explain exactly what you expected that didn't happen to the point you shunned the majority of your community.

Basically it was put to us as which would we enjoy more a wipe or no wipe. We said a wipe but obviously there is something that made everything you said and our opinions mean nothing. Enlighten us so we are on the same page? or was that just as much BS as the 2 polls that got placed and then ignored?

[roocey]

I guess people forget this isn't a democracy. It is a public forum and project headed by a volunteer group (STAFF/Devs).

The polls, from what I understand, were to gather opinions. In the first poll, they (STAFF/Devs) clearly realized they hadn't provided enough information and decided to give us a second chance.

The second poll was far more detailed, unfortunately trolls, children, and multiple account spammers ruined it for the rest of us (as detailed in the OP). The community, as mentioned earlier, really showed its colors.

They haven't spelled doom out to us. They have just chosen to wait a couple more months for a wipe, which was the plan the entire time anyways. I hate to sound like a fanboy, but seriously, some of you are just being silly.

And to top it all off, I don't even remember them promising a wipe if the majority voted yes. I seem to recall it was more of a "we will only wipe if the majority is 66% or higher to do it." I don't remember, "we will, most certainly, wipe the server if the majority to do so is 66% or higher."

And by the way, this is nothing compared to SOE's disasters. Think back. Those of you who decided to keep playing through the CU might just remember a certain poll for the NGE. See how well that went? lol

[Valdosemu]

When your ass has **** on it, you wipe it.
When dupers turn the server to ****...you should wipe it :O not a hard concept.
Im pissed because they promised a wipe if the majority got the vote, the vast majority got it, and instead of keeping the promise, they tell us "Nevermind"...

Guess I won't play a game that has **** all over it.

Once it's wiped I'll be back.

Anyone who reaches me ingame on Seaweed can have all my "NON"duped money.

[kookaburra]

Best SWG Live Emulator ever. Just like SOE.


This made me LOL irl!

[Slayer45]

Hello again EMU community.

The past few days have been crazy around here. We took this polling endeavor seriously and we were hoping for a better outcome. However, the team has been bombarded with concerns and questions by the community over the wipe poll and the possible outcomes. Therefore, due to voting disparities with new accounts, adverse affect on the community of the polling process, and unaddressed issues, we are calling off the poll and the possibility of a wipe. We will stick to the original statement and wipe for the OR when the time comes. As always, we are committed to providing you all with a solid community and game environment. We thought that holding this poll would give the community a voice and a chance at a little more participation.

What we now realize is it may cause more damage then good in the end. To our entire community, we are sorry if this poll in any way affected you adversely, and we will assure you that a similar situation will not happen in the future.

The SWGEmu Team.

It's a sad day when those of us that got what we have the right way have to play in an environment where dupers have ruined the economy of the game and we have to pay the consequences. I'm dissapointed that those that did this have gotten what they wanted with absolutely no repercussions whatsoever and will be able to continue their ruination of the game until the OR. We had the chance to fix it and could not pull together enough to get it done.

[fallingidols]

Although I am disapointed, I must say thanks to the devs for at least trying to get everybodys opinion. There will always be somebody unhappy but either way, thanks for at least trying to give us a chance devs. It showed you care about the community.

Posting a thread with a poll and then disregarding it isn't anything but the facade of considering the community's opinions.

[Arnold47525]

Whining minority wins again.

Oh the flashbacks...

From another point of view, whining majority lost. So what?
I'm happy with the outcome that the Devs let the dead horse be the dead horse and continue with OR.
Because all effort putting in the work for the wipe will now return to where it should be first place. And in the end we just ALL win. Plain and simple.

[-ace-]

From another point of view, whining majority lost. So what?
I'm happy with the outcome that the Devs let the dead horse be the dead horse and continue with OR.
Because all effort putting in the work for the wipe will now return to where it should be first place. And in the end we just ALL win. Plain and simple.

Was going to post until i saw this. /clap

[Valdosemu]

Was going to post until i saw this. /clap

The effort to wipe the server isn't really time consuming. So if they went with it, it wouldn't have interfered with the OR.

[Arien]

When your ass has **** on it, you wipe it.
When dupers turn the server to ****...you should wipe it :O not a hard concept.
Im pissed because they promised a wipe if the majority got the vote, the vast majority got it, and instead of keeping the promise, they tell us "Nevermind"...

Hey at least they let us vote before telling us our opinion doesn't matter.

I guess thats kind of a step up from SOE right?

I wonder whats gonna happen in the future if a few people decide they want Jedi to be a starting class and the majority of the community votes against it....

[dizmull]

rofl this makes me wanna not play now lol . and i didnt care for either a wipe or till the OR is done.

[Jengu-fet]

http://i41.tinypic.com/1gt5wp.jpg

[Mujahed]

http://i41.tinypic.com/1gt5wp.jpg

Marry me!

[Phlier]

The dupers win

Quoted for emphasis.

[Zetch]

The sad thing is that I bet after all the madness the devs will not be as willing to have a community poll about such an important decision.

[Slayer45]

From another point of view, whining majority lost. So what?
I'm happy with the outcome that the Devs let the dead horse be the dead horse and continue with OR.
Because all effort putting in the work for the wipe will now return to where it should be first place. And in the end we just ALL win. Plain and simple.

We won nothing except a screwed up economy where no one but the ones that duped credits/items can afford to buy what is needed.

[roocey]

I am amused by all the artistic creations this has brought out in people. :D

[BigEvil]

http://i41.tinypic.com/1gt5wp.jpg

omfg..k..laughing...so funny.....well played sir...well played

[Valdosemu]

http://i41.tinypic.com/1gt5wp.jpg

+1.

[Zaxadon]

omg , you gave in to the whiners! Shame on you :)

[Slayer45]

The sad thing is that I bet after all the madness the devs will not be as willing to have a community poll about such an important decision.

I agree

[Mujahed]

Anyone who is against the wipe is a DUPER! It's so obvious!

[Valdosemu]

If they do decide to make another poll, make sure to vote the opposite of what you really want.

[Ashpool]

at this point i don't believe there was any possibility of a wipe.

This was a ruse to satisfy complaints of cheats and exploits and they had no clue the community would vote in this manner.

qfe

[Joshino]

http://i41.tinypic.com/1gt5wp.jpg

rofl!

[SanaF1]

Well, that's all ... For the destruction was a lot of votes and the destruction was not ...
I am here not to understand why call server test? I think it should have all that is possible, and players who play on the server should not interfere with this ...
Lichte I after this no longer will play SWGEmu because: 1. Servers depend on the stage of extinction, 2. Play is not interesting because I have done everything possible on this server ...
P.S. Can follow any responses to delete my profile, etc.

[Vlada]

If they do decide to make another poll, make sure to vote the opposite of what you really want.

They wont make that mistake twice... :?























Oh, wait?!?! :eek:

[Budias]

I wonder if the devs remember why they are doing this project? Did they forget that 90%of the people playing got screwed with by SOE the same way the just screwed with us? I understand it's free but don't put we fix what someone broke and then follow in their footsteps.

[Syxxlet]

I've been playing for less than a week and I can honestly say that I'm fine with the way it is. If they wiped, I would have been fine but honestly, no new content, why bother. It would probably just be a matter of weeks before they figured out how to dupe again and people would be begging a couple months down the line for another one. Just chill out and wait for the OR.

IGN - LeilaBelle

[trunck]

B/O Soun

[Yhor]

At this point I don't believe there was any possibility of a wipe.

This was a ruse to satisfy complaints of cheats and exploits and they had no clue the community would vote in this manner.

This.

The staff are obviously out of touch with the community. They wonder why people turn on them, while the staff only does this all for the community, for free...

...it's because of issues like this.

[Caelera]

Um....It amazes me how people can compare the Florida recount to a game poll. Get some perspective here!

Maybe if people hadn't made new accounts at the last minute to cheat on the poll, we would have had the wipe. Ironically, they even came on the thread to brag about it. I don't blame the developers at all.

[Slayer45]

At least show us all how to dupe then .. so we are on even playing field :)

Yeah show me how and I will do it from now till the OR

[Timbab]

http://i41.tinypic.com/1gt5wp.jpg

That's ****ing hilarious.

[darran]

So is duping sanctioned then? If we all dupe then we will all be on an even playing field... no?

[Cnauir]

First, I accept what the Devs are doing, like most of you I appreciate the commitment and effort to the entire emu and will continue to support it. I suspect that all the issues of a wipe were not thuroughly thought out, for example the possibilty of mutiple blue frogged masters on every account.

Secondly, I am less concerned about a wipe than I am about what lessons are learned from this. There are always going to be strong emotions and reactions to big changes and I think that votes and opinions are worth what you pay for them, nothing.

That said I heartily agree with taking input from the community and seriously considering it with all other factors. God knows that was SOE's major downfall.

I suggest that the Devs think about establishing a set of guiding principles that will dictate what actions are taken in the future. I think one all aready exists, "maintain true to pre cu". What I am suggesting however is something like, "always maintain the integrity of the game i.e. cheaters pay", whatever it takes. Another might be always maintain a level playing field. I seriously think that the community will tolerate and support almost any action if it is fair. I am not naive fairness can be in the eyes of the beholder but if the question is "is this action fair to the community and respectful to the rights of the individual"? I will respect their decisions.

What all this means is that the Devs MUST ALWAYS make decisions that are fair, transpararnt and are SEEN as fair.
I have been in rl business a long time and appearances cause much more agony than most people ever realize.

Thanks for the game, it is great fun even though I am a poor, jediless, grunt.

[Xisien]

Well all I can say is maybe they will learn something by turning their back to the "majority". If the "majority" voted yes... lets hope the majority aren't the ones that are donating and funding this project, if they are lets hope they make a statement by putting their foot down in this final decision. As monthly the devs receive enough to fund this project + a nice little supplemental income. The community funds this project... the current devs volunteer their time but... the community also volunteers their time to help the devs in their endeavors. Nobody should be saying somebody does more than somebody else at this point.

Without the current devs here we would all be watching the progress at some other emu site with some other emu team.. so appreciate the devs. In that same instance without the community this entire project would just be a couple nerdy SWG fans playing SWGemu in a basement somewhere.

Any major decision will always be two sided or there would never be a choice involved. There will always be people that like and don't like choices made by other people. Its inevitable... I personally think this was a very poor decision on part of the devs one way or another. They should have taken a different approach to this and could have definately handled things differently/better.

Now I just have to say... so which of you dupers out there will show the rest of us how to do it, so we can keep up with the economy?

[Duchess]

Too bad it got so ugly. The Devs tried to give people a chance to speak out and people really ended up getting really nasty to each other. Some people really took this too personally.

[darran]

they got the majority and still no wipe

Twice.

[Lamune]

We won nothing except a screwed up economy where no one but the ones that duped credits/items can afford to buy what is needed.

Christ, I voted for the wipe, but can we drop the dramatics?

The only part of the economy that is fubared is the elite of the endgame. Jedi toys. Overpowered weapons, big SEAs (which drop like candy compared to Live), and hawlocrawns! Oh lawdy thems hawlocrawns!

And all of it still drops.

"What you need..." in this game is crafted. You don't need to be able to two-shot an eldar with your X-Peen 9000 Megarifle to do damn fine in this game. Buffs continue to get more powerful. Crafted weapons get stronger. Crafted armor gets lighter. And all of it keeps getting CHEAPER.

This was a player-based economy. What used to be a damn fine weapon is now considered crap when compared side-by-side to the obscene items are lootable. You're all just spoiled because of the uberloot tables and easy Jedi. (Which were put there AS A GIFT to the players while we play through otherwise dead development time!)

[barbercat]

It's just a game people. A good one but a game none the less.

[Mujahed]

http://j.imagehost.org/0738/swg1.jpg
http://j.imagehost.org/0631/swg2.jpg

[kailos]

I'm really suprised in the decision, this is a big blow to their credibility for me.

I understand the position the devteam is in regarding the OR. The TC at the moment is deprecated and is here more for indirect testing - but there have been problems:

Duping is leading to a horribly imbalanced playing field. This has seriously affected the game environment for me (and the majority of players looking at the polls).

Why would you let this go on if you are dedicated to a good game environment? Why should people even bother with a lot of professions with the current issues (duping, loot)?

This could severly effect the community's perception of the devteams attitude. It is a test server granted, but it's also an outlet for the community to play the game they love until OR is ready and discover new bugs and problems (like the ones that need to be addressed).

[Timbab]

Lmfao!

[Joshino]

http://j.imagehost.org/0738/swg1.jpg
http://j.imagehost.org/0631/swg2.jpg

-S7dznemlow

[dizmull]

can someone show me how to dupe so i can have uber weapons and holo's

[Vanz]

Can't say some of us didn't tell you so... :D

[Ekowraith]

Since the fate of the server was precisely what we voted on, why would you err on the side of the minority?

Moral of the story: If a system of decision-making ends up not working in your favor, throw an enormous tantrum and you'll get your way.

[Budias]

Still we know the devs are watching and moderating posts so why don't they have the guts to answer why they decided to go against the popular vote?

[Duchess]

Regardless of the outcome, we need to focus on the real problem, other than our inability to have a civil discussion without attacking each other. Pretty sad. These dupes won't go away with a wipe and I hope that more measures will be implemented to punish dupers. Unless they can come up with some super code that blows dupers up as soon as they dupe, we are going to have to rely on people reporting dupers and hoping they get punished.

[Vlada]

can someone show me how to dupe so i can have uber weapons and holo's

Why not just buy them for RL money, use Google FFS.

[imost999]

Were to start what to say lol
Damage done i think.
lets hope the game survives this ...
voted for the wipe btw 2years plus playing on and off

[Velthold]

My "no" vote was for selfish reasons,I never got to play when SWG first came out I had only played the SOE SWG which is a dog. So I was really enjoying progression of my toon and didn't want to stop and restart. Know this is only a test server and not the full game and as such wipes can happen anytime and I would have been back next day hitting the grind again.I dont hold with cheating in any form and cant see how running around a game telling anyone who will listen I have the best of everthing in the game would have any satisfaction!

[belgerath]

You know, I could understand calling off the wipe with the controversy of possible vote fraud if it was a simple majority vote. A 50/50.

However, this vote already required heavy padding (66%) to pass. And it did. Even plus or minus a few percent, the majority of the community desired a wipe, and this is ignored?

[Spun]

The sad thing is that I bet after all the madness the devs will not be as willing to have a community poll about such an important decision.

Like any of us would fall for another one of thier polls anyway.

[Lazerbrick]

shocking outcome.

[quadkidd02]

Now pay close attention to the numbers of the poll results...

No, and I won't play if you wipe till OR - Before:162/After:161 = -1
No, but I'll still play with the Blue Frogs - Before:207/After:206 = -1
No, but I'll still play regardless - Before:290/After:310 = +20
Yes - Before:453/After:452 = -1
Yes, but with Blue Frogs(See limitations) - Before:882/After:884 = +2

Hmm...the only way you can "lose" votes in vBulletin (for those who don't know, that's the bulletin board/forum software SWGEmu uses. check the copyright line at the bottom of the page) is for an admin to "modify" the poll.

I know this for a complete and un-biased fact. I have before and continue to run my own web server which hosts vBulletin, PhpBB, and other forum software.

The poll was tampered with, I know this for a fact. You can't change your vote on your own. That is beyond the user's "privileges."

"So if you don't know, now you know."

i KNEW the 66.6 was going to come into play.
want to see something interesting?

20 seconds before close
http://img689.imageshack.us/i/pollaminutebeforeclose.png/

database error, 20 sec later back up pool closed
http://img191.imageshack.us/i/pollafterclose.png/


just enough votes, all thrown in 3rd option to get it under 66.6 (Which is a statistical imposiblitly btw)

[Jengu-fet]

http://i43.tinypic.com/29bn3p3.jpg

[Qui-Larek]

I think some important things may have been missed by some people over the past couple of days.

There were many view points put across over the last couple of days ranging from some very well put arguements either for or against all the way down to mis-informed, incorrect and misleading statements and finally childish out and out flaming.

It is fair to say that over the past few weeks it has become apparent that something was amiss and that some undesirable behaviour had occured, maybe by chance, maybe intentional but duping of items and credits seemed to be the most popular candidate - that I could see anyway. Looking at the trade forums it seemed that available cash had seemed to increase quite a lot and currency was devaluing at a fast rate.

Now, please consider for a minute the impact of the emu team using the "last resort" tactic of wiping the server would have upon not only the community we currently have but also all of those looking on, those who are following the progress but are currently staying away due to the upcoming wipe when the OR reaches completion - this potential wipe by the way keeps many people away right now but they are all watching the progress - I can name 30 people from just my guild.

Know it or not if you played pre CU swg you have already lived through, item duping, credit exploits, hacks, and all manner of things yet SOE never took the action to wipe the servers even though it would have been in their power to do so - why?

The reason is that these things that have occured do not really impact the majority of the population playing the game at that time in a serious game breaking way. We can all make multiple toons, we can all be self sufficient, we can all go and loot tapes, we can all go and loot holocrons, weapons etc etc should you desire to. Maybe you cant afford the tape on the auction forum or cant buy that 1500 max T21 as someone has duped a load of credits and bids well over the price, but actually thats not the end of the world is it - you can always go and get one yourself by farming for said item.

Consider however how many people a server wipe impacts - EVERYONE, all back to Zero at a time people were not expecting it. We all look forward im sure for the day we are told the server is going to be wiped because the OR is ready as that day we will be looking forward to added features, new things to play with etc etc but a wipe that resets to zero with no new "toys" is a lot for most people to stomach, be this a test server or not.

If a server wipe is used as the solution to things going wrong as it was potentially then as anyone with mmo experience knows that wipes will be happening quite a lot as things go wrong quite a lot in mmo's with, exploits, hacks, dupes as just as commonplace in mmo's today as they were all the way back to the very first mmo's (see Darkfall and PSO as 2 examples at either end of the time spectrum both suffering / suffered with hacks and exploits). If server wipes are the solution then the "stability" of the game also becomes questionable and when the game relies on player built items which come from randomly shifting resources (some of which only spawn once ever say 4 to 6 months) questions start to be asked about the "point" of spending your time here - this is why it is damaging to wipe when the issues do not affect everyone in the community.

Most no voters would agree that if the wipe was to add in new content or change things about then fair enough wipe away as it is for the good of the project in the long term but to wipe because some idiot has duped a load of credits, who cares, does that affect me? No it doesnt, I can still do the things I do and carry on enjoying the time I spend here.

I am afraid that shouts of "kill all the Jedi" or "uber leet weapons are killing pvp" or "I cant buy something due to duped credits" are excuses not reasons. Nothing is stopping people going overt should that be what you wish to do. Nothng is stopping people farming their own uber weapons, nothing is stopping people getting the things they need or feel they need - I have been here consistantly now for several months and I have seen all of 1 person perma teffed in Coronet looking for pvp, I havent seen people being 1 shotted all over the place by uber leet weapons every evening yet everyone cites them as a reason for not pvping just as an example.

Many will not agreee with the words I have typed and I will probably get flamed to death but dont worry this poster is +100% flame resistant, you will not offend.

PS Yes I have a Jedi, Yes I have a crafter and Yes I voted no to a wipe just incase you are wondering and I would have happily waved all that goodbye for factories but not for some overpowered weapons or duped credits.

[Mujahed]

http://i43.tinypic.com/29bn3p3.jpg

Wtf lol! Double Sunglasses FTW!

[Joshino]

Kets make a poll to keep face but make it so its almost deffinately not going to swing away from our favour, i.e the 66% needed. Then when it goes bad, ninja delete thread and give some garb response.

[safak]

Please stop throwing words like statistically impossible out, especially since you a) appear to have little to no grasp of statistics and b) have not shown the "statistics" that show it is impossible.


sorry galena i didn't have time to properly answer you at first. let me shed some light on you since you obviously have no clue about statistics and odds, but are pretty quick to say someone else doesn't.



the option that got the last 20 votes in a row was the 3rd one, 'no but ill keep playing' which put it at 15%.

15% odds, or 3/20 as we will use here in this explanation that you asked for.

so to get 2 in a row, you take 3/20 times 3/20. = 9/400. which is a little over 2% chance to get 2 votes in a row for a 15% option.

in this case there were 20 votes all put on it in a row.
to get 20 in a row, you take 3/20 times itself 20 times. i don't need to go that far and most calculators give it as impossible number anyway.
lets do 5 in a row
243/3200000= .0000759

so to get just 5 in a row for a 15% odd , there is less than 1/100th of one percent chance.
do you really still believe that 20 in a row is not a statistical impossibility? nothing fishy went on eh?

[Kainzo]

All the users posting moronic pictures really do tell the story of how dinosaurs once ruled the world with iron fists and cheese burgers.

[Joshino]

http://i43.tinypic.com/29bn3p3.jpg

Oh LORDY!!!

[Joshino]

All the users posting moronic pictures really do tell the story of how dinosaurs once ruled the world with iron fists and cheese burgers.

Learn to humour.

[Mujahed]

Learn to humour.

Isn't joke! Is political satires!

[Budias]

Quadkidd did you notice too that when the number of no bit ill still play wen up by 20....the number of voters only went up by 19.....

[Lamune]

The poll was tampered with, I know this for a fact. You can't change your vote on your own. That is beyond the user's "privileges."


Kay.... so... hypothetically... if one *was* going to tamper with the results in "No's" favor with the sudden flood of votes... why the hell would they stage the final outcome to results that they'd still lose with? :eek:

Y'know another thing that can lose votes? Database errors. Kind of like the one right as the poll was closed.

(My Tinfoil Hats are still for sale, btw. I'm tellin' ya.. 90% resists to the brainwaves! 10-million! Special price to the next 10 posters only!)

[quadkidd02]

Quadkidd did you notice too that when the number of no bit ill still play wen up by 20....the number of voters only went up by 19.....

No, I didn't get that far down the image...

20 + 2 = 22 - 1 - 1 - 1 = 19... my math still fits tho.

That is surely nice, I didn't catch that before.

[SomeoneImportant]

Is there where I can buy Holocrons? I have 200billion duped credits and would like to purchase a holocron please.

[Lazerbrick]

Kay.... so... hypothetically... if one *was* going to tamper with the results in "No's" favor with the sudden flood of votes... why the hell would they stage the final outcome to results that they'd still lose with? :eek:



I think this sums up the staff....

[Arnold47525]

The effort to wipe the server isn't really time consuming. So if they went with it, it wouldn't have interfered with the OR.

/sigh
Any "minute" putting in to get through the codebase of the TC is a waste of time better put elsewhere, namely the OR. Once it's done TC code will get down the bucket.
I don't know if you own a car or not, question is, would you REALLY repair a wreck to take it to the junkyard soon? I doubt you will.

[vertwheal]

lol this community. Just go back to playing.

[quadkidd02]

Kay.... so... hypothetically... if one *was* going to tamper with the results in "No's" favor with the sudden flood of votes... why the hell would they stage the final outcome to results that they'd still lose with? :eek:

Y'know another thing that can lose votes? Database errors. Kind of like the one right as the poll was closed.

(My Tinfoil Hats are still for sale, btw. I'm tellin' ya.. 90% resists to the brainwaves! 10-million! Special price to the next 10 posters only!)

I believe the term "ninja delete" was used not too long ago, props and +1 to whom did. I believe that is partially why it was ninja'd.

[Lazerbrick]

/sigh
Any "minute" putting in to get through the codebase of the TC is a waste of time better put elsewhere, namely the OR. Once it's done TC code will get down the bucket.
I don't know if you own a car or not, question is, would you REALLY repair a wreck to take it to the junkyard soon? I doubt you will.

Yeah i would repair it if i still had to drive for another half of a year before i could get a new car.

[Neo1715]

fail editing that csi miami pic, on the 3rd picture hes got 2 pairs of sunglasses =o

[Fel]

Everyone ges their way this way...

those who want a wipe will get their wipe with the OR.

those who don't want the wipe won't be wiped until the OR lol.

I voted YES, but honestly decisions like this should require an overwhelming majority and bottom line, it's nice that they asked our opinion but talking about a wipe in the first place was probably a bad idea, like the OP said....

This way is the least potentially destructive to the community.

Like I said, I voted YES, and I believed a wipe would have been great, but I don't understand how people can get so upset when everyone is going to win in the end...you might have to wait 3-12 months, but who cares? We've waited 4 years already, what's another few months? And in the meantime, you get to play pre-CU SWG.

Props to the Devs imho. I think, that although the thread was 1-starred repeatedly and this decision seems unpopular, it was undoubtedly the least damaging course of action, and sometimes the lesser of three evils is the necessary choice.

[kookaburra]

Now pay close attention to the numbers of the poll results...

No, and I won't play if you wipe till OR - Before:162/After:161 = -1
No, but I'll still play with the Blue Frogs - Before:207/After:206 = -1
No, but I'll still play regardless - Before:290/After:310 = +20
Yes - Before:453/After:452 = -1
Yes, but with Blue Frogs(See limitations) - Before:882/After:884 = +2


In light of this new information, I believe my time and donations would be better used elsewhere.

[lcrouane]

+100 to Qui-Larek.

Close this thread and let's play the game we were all enjoying on Sunday.

Fun's over boys.

[Ekowraith]

I can't imagine anything more short-sighted than deferring to a minority on the basis of outrage. I can guarantee that that, by the margin of the majority's victory, you will experience more outrage.

[belgerath]

I was afraid SWGemu would be full of (and ruled by) elitist jerks. Seems like this is the case...

[kobzigon]

I honestly voted for Yes and Frogs for 2 weeks. I cant afford many of the stuff going on... Millions for a weapon, that doesn't even happens in the live servers in SOE (vet weaponsmith there). Ppl asking for 30 millions for a weapon its way to much. Not considering other stuff. I have gathered a lot of resources, and im cool with the wipe to help out the economy.

Yet, it seems the mass creation of new accounts has proved that some people play with the wrong intentions.

Yes, without the Wipe, we are able to keep testing the game. With the mass unbalanced weapons out there, available just for less than 20 persons, in over a population of 1600, seems very unproductive. Also, those weapons like an example, kill the pvp, no matter what armor you are wearing, it will kill you no matter what.

If im not wrong, every single forum, has the option to check the IP address where accounts logged in from. I would ban those IP's, or deleting every single account related to that IP, that way, you are going to hurt those who were duping. In that case, they will lose even if they won the poll.

[Lamune]

If im not wrong, every single forum, has the option to check the IP address where accounts logged in from. I would ban those IP's, or deleting every single account related to that IP.

They do. And they have. Identical IP addresses are banned automatically by the system the moment they log in.

Any such 'fraud' would have had to be done with proxy servers returning different IPs.

And it still doesn't make a damn bit of difference with the point spread one way or the other.


Know it or not if you played pre CU swg you have already lived through, item duping, credit exploits, hacks, and all manner of things yet SOE never took the action to wipe the servers even though it would have been in their power to do so - why?

Well, possibly for two reasons:

1.) It was a paid subscription based "live" server, not a free test environment.

2.) You conveniently ignore all of the bans, rollbacks, and credit purges, where they manually went in and removed duped credits and duped items, up to and including taking money back from players PAID with duped creds.

Players were BANNED for simply RECEIVING duped credits en masse.
(Which was great for 'luls, because that included tips, which you can't refuse.)

I still haven't heard a yes or no about banhammer methods in development for problem players. Holes can be patched, but *******s will be around forever if there isn't a way to deal with them.

[Kainzo]

Learn to humour.

"learnto" get a job and move out of mommy's basement, become a productive member of society and stop sucking off the teat of the elder.

Did I humour correctly?

[bsiniard]

Now pay close attention to the numbers of the poll results...

No, and I won't play if you wipe till OR - Before:162/After:161 = -1
No, but I'll still play with the Blue Frogs - Before:207/After:206 = -1
No, but I'll still play regardless - Before:290/After:310 = +20
Yes - Before:453/After:452 = -1
Yes, but with Blue Frogs(See limitations) - Before:882/After:884 = +2
In light of this new information, I believe my time and donations would be better used elsewhere.

Some common sense? At long last!

[galena]

<3 people who have no clue about a subject. hey if you make a post that is condescending, then it makes you sound right? sorry doesn't work all the time.

it IS a statistic impossiblity in a poll, for even a 50% choice get 20 votes in a row(in 20 seconds no less).

now when we are talking an option that previously was at 10% getting every single one of them, its not even a question. sorry. sound even meaner next post and you might trick us.

Just no, statistically impossible is not a statistical term. Run a statistical analysis that gives actual P values and i will talk with you about it. The term statistically impossible is completely misleading. While i think there is something fishy with how the votes changed, especially over a small amount of time. But that is my OPINION, not a statistical analysis.

Considering this is a forum based poll that was based off a vocal number of people WANTING a vote, it can be argued that a analysis of the incomplete votes would be inaccurate as the early voters may be more likely to be those in favor. But that is a whole different point all together. All i am asking is not to use an erroneous term like statistically impossible. If you must throw the term statistical into your arguments about this vote at least use statistically improbable instead of impossible. :p

*edit as i have seen safaks second reply to me*
Your analysis of the odds of people voting for options is fallacious as you are assuming that the distribution of the votes that have happened are the odds of it happening again. Also following that assumption leads to the idea that how votes are cast are random which they are not.

Like i said, something fishy was probably going on with people making extra accounts, but it does'nt really matter as the devs have chosen not to wipe not because of the result but because of people voting multiple times. Also the quick swing in votes just before it closed only pushed the voting below 66.6% not 66% which was the cutoff for the vote to pass as stated by the first post. Also as i stated before my edit, i just see statistically impossible as a false statement as even if i agreed with your methods for calculating the probability of 20 votes in a row for no, as you stated there is a probability of it happening and as such cannot be impossible. Impossible does not = improbable.

[Valdosemu]

I was afraid SWGemu would be full of (and ruled by) elitist jerks. Seems like this is the case...

This is very true.

[Yhor]

In light of this new information, I believe my time and donations would be better used elsewhere.

Any suggestions? I just got back and was looking forward to seeing the staff deal with issues that influenced my decision to leave last time, then they totally lied and went back on their word.

I now see why I was laughed at for donating.

[BigEvil]

OK....time to get to work....we gotta offset the chaos somehow

BigEvil's Shop of Pretty Decent Non-Elite Weapons will be open in a week or so....

I'll let ya know when i got some stock and take orders.....

LOL

[Murreki]

Ahahaha, Man I'm sooo glad I kept doing my daily day to day thing. I feel so bad for all the idiots who sold their holocrons for 10 - 150k. Well seeing as the servers are untouched .. WTB holocron for .. lets go for 250k! Taking away inflation pricing, Id say thats fair. :P

Despite this, I'd still like to see a wipe :P

[bsiniard]

Any suggestions? I just got back and was looking forward to seeing the staff deal with issues that influenced my decision to leave last time, then they totally lied and went back on their word.

I now see why I was laughed at for donating.

There is another...

[quadkidd02]

edited for space...

...but honestly decisions like this should require an overwhelming majority and bottom line...

8.12%+
10.38%+
14.54%=
--------
33.04% that voted for no (before poll "close")

22.72%+
44.23%( I could stop there...yes w/frogs is already more...before poll "close")=
--------
66.95% that voted for yes, more than double the no crowd (before poll "close")


8.00%+
10.23%+
15.40%=
--------
33.63% that voted for no (after poll "close")

22.45%+
43.91%(again, I could stop right there...)=
--------
66.36%that voted for yes (after poll "close")

hmm....math prevails over the "no wipe" decision.

[Deus In Machina]

Hello again EMU community.

The past few days have been crazy around here. We took this polling endeavor seriously and we were hoping for a better outcome. However, the team has been bombarded with concerns and questions by the community over the wipe poll and the possible outcomes. Therefore, due to voting disparities with new accounts, adverse affect on the community of the polling process, and unaddressed issues, we are calling off the poll and the possibility of a wipe. We will stick to the original statement and wipe for the OR when the time comes. As always, we are committed to providing you all with a solid community and game environment. We thought that holding this poll would give the community a voice and a chance at a little more participation.

What we now realize is it may cause more damage then good in the end. To our entire community, we are sorry if this poll in any way affected you adversely, and we will assure you that a similar situation will not happen in the future.

The SWGEmu Team.

Thanks for the quick statement and result, i do believe you guys are doing what you think is best for the game and the community. I would have keep playing, whatever was decided, so i'm fine either way.

Keep up the great job you are doing, and many thanks for the hard work accomplished till now :cool:

[dizmull]

Why not just buy them for RL money, use Google FFS.

trying to stick to the rules killed 15 smc cw two nights ago and the best thing i looted was a comp helmet with 33% of rest on it lol

[Triko]

This entire thread is retarded.

[Tmoney909]

way to make a fast decision. i didn't really care either way it went. i just like how it didnt take you guys 3 weeks to decide while everyone sat around and didnt want to play.
All in all i like the decision. thank you

[Joshino]

Now pay close attention to the numbers of the poll results...

No, and I won't play if you wipe till OR - Before:162/After:161 = -1
No, but I'll still play with the Blue Frogs - Before:207/After:206 = -1
No, but I'll still play regardless - Before:290/After:310 = +20
Yes - Before:453/After:452 = -1
Yes, but with Blue Frogs(See limitations) - Before:882/After:884 = +2

Hmm...the only way you can "lose" votes in vBulletin (for those who don't know, that's the bulletin board/forum software SWGEmu uses. check the copyright line at the bottom of the page) is for an admin to "modify" the poll.

I know this for a complete and un-biased fact. I have before and continue to run my own web server which hosts vBulletin, PhpBB, and other forum software.

The poll was tampered with, I know this for a fact. You can't change your vote on your own. That is beyond the user's "privileges."

"So if you don't know, now you know."

dayum.

[Ekowraith]

Kay.... so... hypothetically... if one *was* going to tamper with the results in "No's" favor with the sudden flood of votes... why the hell would they stage the final outcome to results that they'd still lose with? :eek:

The staff changed the poll just enough to give the true majority 65% of the pre-rounding whole-number vote percentages, rather than 66% of the vote.

[Odyssey Starchaser]

At least show us all how to dupe then .. so we are on even playing field :)

QFE! Can someone dupe me a holo.

Wipe or No Im still playin.

The day one Drops for me will be the day befor they wipe....
Just my luck.

[vertwheal]

There is another...

says the all knowing user who joined this month.

[Inpu]

you pussied out. shame on you.

TC means TC. Wipe this b*tch.